Confirmed Trade: [LAK/CBJ] Joonas Korpisalo and Vladislav Gavrikov for Jonathan Quick, 2023 1st Round Pick (Cond) & 2024 3rd Round Pick

McFlyingV

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Last playoffs... Who gives a shit about "last playoffs".

31 games played, 3.50 GAA, SV % 0.876..... That´s just terrible. You can´t downgrade further than this.

Gavrikov is overrated... ?? :huh: I doubt that Blake is done yet, but no, Gavrikov is not overrated.

You know who is overrated? Darnell Nurse. Especially for 9.25 Million. ;)
Darnell Nurse is overrated, but Gavrikov is also a pretty mediocre D.
 
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Darnell Nurse is overrated, but Gavrikov is also a pretty mediocre D.

And comes with a 2.8 mill cap hit.... compared to 9.25......

As i said, i doubt Blake is done and maybe could very well be in on Chychrun. There is something more brewing in LA.
 
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Gavrikov is a pretty low end top 4D. He struggles a lot at defending against speed and off the rush which he's going to need to do to get through Colorado or Edmonton. He's an ok pick up, but I'm glad he's going to the Kings and not Edmonton. Have watched enough Oilers D get abused by speed over the past few years.

He’s not a low end top4.

He was asked to play as a 1D this year which is something he certainly isn’t.
& 1D with AHL level Dmen next to him.

He’s a legit top4
 

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He’s not a low end top4.

He was asked to play as a 1D this year which is something he certainly isn’t.
& 1D with AHL level Dmen next to him.

He’s a legit top4
A low end top 4 is still a legit top 4. He's not a great or even good top 4. He's average or slightly below average, and its obvious in his ability to defend against speed/off the rush as well as his not so great puck moving.
 

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Gavrikov is a pretty low end top 4D. He struggles a lot at defending against speed and off the rush

Yeah no. That's not true.

A low end top 4 is still a legit top 4. He's not a great or even good top 4. He's average or slightly below average, and its obvious in his ability to defend against speed/off the rush as well as his not so great puck moving.

Nothings obvious when a team is this bad. Drew Doughty was analytically the worst player in the NHL about three years ago, and it was just from being a big minute player on a bad team.

But seriously your scouting report is just bad, like you watched one unrepresentative shift. Do your homework or be quiet.
 

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Yeah no. That's not true.



Nothings obvious when a team is this bad. Drew Doughty was analytically the worst player in the NHL about three years ago, and it was just from being a big minute player on a bad team.

But seriously your scouting report is just bad, like you watched one unrepresentative shift. Do your homework or be quiet.
What part of my post was incorrect? Is he good at defending against speed? Nope not really. Is he a good puck mover? Nope not really.

He's still a top 4D who provides useful elements in the D zone. Not the type of D that would be high on my priority list.
 

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Kings did Quick dirty. I imagine Anze and Drew are f***en pissed!

Anze and Drew were the ones who wanted Blake to get going and play "important games" in the twilight of their own career. Both of them didn´t give a f*** when they sigend their shinny contracts. Just sayin.

So Blake shipped out a 5.8 caphit and a goalie, that lost them games.... Look at his stats.
From a business point it was just a logical step.

He did what he thought was best for the Franchise.
 

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What part of my post was incorrect? Is he good at defending against speed? Nope not really.

This part is completely false. Like you're confused about the number on the player you're watching. Gavrikov is hard to get around, it's one of the most salient things about him.

Is he a good puck mover? Nope not really.

Pretty average with the puck. Executes good simple plays with minimal turnovers. Nothing special.
 

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This part is completely false. Like you're confused about the number on the player you're watching. Gavrikov is hard to get around, it's one of the most salient things about him.



Pretty average with the puck. Executes good simple plays with minimal turnovers. Nothing special.
In the D zone sure, he's very good at defending. When he's being challenged 1 on 1 with speed he's susceptible to being victimized, he's not a great skater. He will struggle in the west playoffs to contain guys like Mackinnon, McDavid, Makar, Draisaitl, and Rantanen if he ends up facing either team.
 

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In the D zone sure, he's very good at defending. When he's being challenged 1 on 1 with speed he's susceptible to being victimized, he's not a great skater. He will struggle in the west playoffs to contain guys like Mackinnon, McDavid, Makar, Draisaitl, and Rantanen if he ends up facing either team.

He's better at rush defense than your average NHL defender. Good lateral mobility, overall great athleticism and strength. He'll do better against the fastest attackers than your typical D will.
 

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He's better at rush defense than your average NHL defender. Good lateral mobility, overall great athleticism and strength. He'll do better against the fastest attackers than your typical D will.
Time will tell. Just not the player I would have been looking to add for the Oilers. Maybe makes more sense in LA since they already have a high end puck mover in Doughty.
 

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A low end top 4 is still a legit top 4. He's not a great or even good top 4. He's average or slightly below average, and its obvious in his ability to defend against speed/off the rush as well as his not so great puck moving.

I’m taking a guess here but I’ve watched more Columbus games.

You are allowed your opinion, it’s just not reality though
 
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I’m taking a guess here but I’ve watched more Columbus games.

You are allowed your opinion, it’s just not reality though
Probably have. My viewings and his stats in an elevated role don't exactly show that he's a good or even great top 4 D. At best he's a quality 2nd pairing D, which is still a lower end top 4 D unless our definitions differ. A high quality top 4 D would be a good top pairing D.
 

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Yeah, but the problem is that he's going to the Kings, who know how to allow 5 goals in a game.

They've allowed more goals than they've scored this season, especially at 5v5, where they've allowed the 9th-most in the NHL.
Is that defense or goaltending? Their d is relatively decent. Durzi tends to have more gaffes than others but a lot of those games the Kings couldn’t buy a save.
 
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So you're an Avs fan, and your team just let their cup winning goalie walk. And you're lecturing about how cup winning players are different and must be kept until they want to leave no matter how they play? Quick has been way worse than Kuemper. Quick might just not deserve a job. You've been exposed as a hypocrite.
As a huge fan of the Kings for over 30+ years, let me suppress my rage and try and tell you calmly that you don’t know understand the the nuances of how devastating this is emotionally to the fan base and the leaders in that locker room. Trust me, listen to the fans of this team when we tell you that this is the most despicable treatment of a team legend that is on our Mt Rushmore of All Time Kings.
 

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Probably have. My viewings and his stats in an elevated role don't exactly show that he's a good or even great top 4 D. At best he's a quality 2nd pairing D, which is still a lower end top 4 D unless our definitions differ. A high quality top 4 D would be a good top pairing D.

Again.

He’s been asked to be 1D with AHL level Dmen next to him.
He is not that, nobody is claiming he is that and nobody should expect him to be that.
 

McFlyingV

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Again.

He’s been asked to be 1D with AHL level Dmen next to him.
He is not that, nobody is claiming he is that and nobody should expect him to be that.
Then what are you arguing? I said he's a lower end top 4D, aka he's between a 3 and a 4. He's not a top pair D. If you want me to say he's a solid to good middle pairing D then sure we agree.
 

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Last playoffs... Who gives a shit about "last playoffs".

31 games played, 3.50 GAA, SV % 0.876..... That´s just terrible. You can´t downgrade further than this.

Gavrikov is overrated... ?? :huh: I doubt that Blake is done yet, but no, Gavrikov is not overrated.

You know who is overrated? Darnell Nurse. Especially for 9.25 Million. ;)
What has Nurse got to do with anything? Who is overrating him?

And before you say "Oilers fans" let me stop you right there, Oilers fans think he's overpaid more than any other fan base.
 
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I would understand if Quick was used as a cap dump in a Saros or, at the worst, a Demko trade but f***ing Korpisalo? Jesus Christ lol

Again.

He’s been asked to be 1D with AHL level Dmen next to him.
He is not that, nobody is claiming he is that and nobody should expect him to be that.

Gavirkov sucks, LAK was better off just using those assets in a Chycurun trade.
 
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That's because their goaltending has been shiiiite. Not a Kings fan / haven't seen many games but fancy stats bear out the fact that the Kings are positive in all the ES categories that most ppl pay attention to (corsi, fenwick, shots%, xgf%, scf%, even hdcf%). Columbus is net negative in all those categories and bottom 5 in the league (ie truly terrible) in most. I can throw numbers at you if you want but you can look them up yourself on NST:


For a more top level metric, CBJ is allowing 35.0 shots per game (3rd worst in the league), Kings are allowing 28.4 shots against per game (5th best). If you really want to argue that LA is a worse defensive team than Columbus, then by all means good luck... but then I'd ask you not to use arguments which basically only show how bad your goalies have been (for the record, Kings have 3rd worst sv% in the league at 89.88% despite better than average overall defensive metrics).

Imo that's why the trade for Joonas wasn't the worst idea, imagine what you could do with a league average goalie or maybe one who is even better than that

EDIT: included NST link
Many of those stats are positive because they combine offensive and defensive components and the Kings outscore their problems. If you look at just the defensive components, they're closer to average: 15th in CA, 14th in SCA and 12th in HDCA. Sure, those are better than Columbus, but if you really want to argue that being a better defensive team than Columbus means being good at defense, we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
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Wow. Quick is cooked, but still stunning he was moved out so late in his career. LA needed a goalie, and you never know what can happen in the playoffs, especially with the west looking open, but will be interesting to see how the room reacts to this. Vets in there who've been with Quick since the beginning will probably grin and bear it, but still, will be fascinating to watch.
 

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Lets wait until this rumored trade to be official before going crazy.. I have a hard time believing Blake/luc would do this to Quick even if it makes sense business wise. If the Jackets need a goalie back they can have Cal Petersen who would help ur team tank I also hope theres some sorta extension done for at least one of them before the trade is done Also the 1st needs to be in 24
 

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Is it possible the GMs have a handshake agreement to carry Quick as the 3rd goalie and never see game action?

Quick gets paid but doesn’t change his LA legacy. Crazy thought, unlikely.
 

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