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damacles1156 said:
Which will never happen. Muzzin is literally one of the most dominant Defenders in the entire league. that's like saying, Forbort is the next Doughty.
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Forbort is the next Doughty?! Cool. I mean, he's only played 13 NHL games...

Seriously, lighten up. I get how good Muzzin is. I've said as much defending him on the main board. The point in comparing Muzzin and McNabb is that they both struggled early in their careers before figuring it all out. That doesn't mean that they will both be equivalent, but sometimes it takes a few years for guys to find their stride. Muzzin sucked ass in his first season, and has had plenty of struggles since. He was also carried by Doughty for a while, and there's no way he could anchor the second pair in his second season, just like McNabb.
 
14 goals in 3 games on the road so far.
Come Kings you can do better
 
Larkin -1
Toffoli +1

don't look now but our +/- team leader last year is at it again...but leading league-wide.
defensively i don't think toffoli gets enough credit. Love that Foxy said he's the best king
winger along the boards in a broadcast not too long ago.
 
Bandit said:
Forbort is the next Doughty?! Cool. I mean, he's only played 13 NHL games...

Seriously, lighten up. I get how good Muzzin is. I've said as much defending him on the main board. The point in comparing Muzzin and McNabb is that they both struggled early in their careers before figuring it all out. That doesn't mean that they will both be equivalent, but sometimes it takes a few years for guys to find their stride. Muzzin sucked ass in his first season, and has had plenty of struggles since. He was also carried by Doughty for a while, and there's no way he could anchor the second pair in his second season, just like McNabb.
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They've actually had incredibly similar scouting reports. I see the same thing you do and McNabb's just had inconsistency issues bigtime. Muzzin put it together quicker, but his ascension to being a freaking stud doesn't mean McNabb won't. It's unlikely he'll ever be as good as Muzzin, but that's more a credit to Muzzin than a slight on McNabb. McNabb SHOULD be a good 2nd pairing guy for years if it all pans out right, these guys believed that McNabb was the best dman outside the NHL like they did Muzzin, so it needs a little faith. He's just getting Derek Armstronged right now by being on the top pairing with Doughty, but you can't do anything to break up Muzzin-Martinez until you get Byfuglien :nod:
 
Bandit said:
Forbort is the next Doughty?! Cool. I mean, he's only played 13 NHL games...

Seriously, lighten up. I get how good Muzzin is. I've said as much defending him on the main board. The point in comparing Muzzin and McNabb is that they both struggled early in their careers before figuring it all out. That doesn't mean that they will both be equivalent, but sometimes it takes a few years for guys to find their stride. Muzzin sucked ass in his first season, and has had plenty of struggles since. He was also carried by Doughty for a while, and there's no way he could anchor the second pair in his second season, just like McNabb.
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Muzzin was in the rookie of the year race his rookie season, he didn't suck at all. Outside of turnovers, which all 60% CF players struggle with.

I have no idea where this Muzzin sucked narrative comes from, Muzzin has been a dominant possession Defender since DAY one of his career, and was in the Rookie of the year running, his rookie season.

Everyone just simply thought his CF%, and godly metric stats in his rookie season, was an anomaly.
 
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So now the Kings have matched the largest divisional lead ever in their entire history, 11 points, which was attained on February 2, 1980.

If they get to at least 12, that will be the new record.

Really hard to believe for a team in their 49th season. But there it is.
 
losingsand said:
Larkin -1
Toffoli +1

don't look now but our +/- team leader last year is at it again...but leading league-wide.
defensively i don't think toffoli gets enough credit. Love that Foxy said he's the best king
winger along the boards in a broadcast not too long ago.
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Picking off passes like a madman all night.

Prince-Stone-Toffoli had to be a nightmare to play against in juniors.
 
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Bandit said:
Forbort is the next Doughty?! Cool. I mean, he's only played 13 NHL games...

Seriously, lighten up. I get how good Muzzin is. I've said as much defending him on the main board. The point in comparing Muzzin and McNabb is that they both struggled early in their careers before figuring it all out. That doesn't mean that they will both be equivalent, but sometimes it takes a few years for guys to find their stride. Muzzin sucked ass in his first season, and has had plenty of struggles since. He was also carried by Doughty for a while, and there's no way he could anchor the second pair in his second season, just like McNabb.
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A good point. Muzzin was a turnover machine until he started understanding the system and where the wingers would be for outlet passses, etc.

McNabb, I dont know, I just get the feeling he doesnt have the hockey smarts.

Forbort I still have hope for.

Maybe they both pick it up with more experience. I hope so.
 
Muzzin was very good offensively and possession-wise from the start. He handled the puck like a hand grenade, though. To think otherwise is some serious revisionist history/memory failing. Point is, he's all grow'd up now and I view him as the #4 overall pick and Hickey as the UFA signing. All evens out. McNabb has been fine. If you check his numbers across the board, you might be a little shocked at how well he's been performing. Yes he has brain farts, but everyone sans Doughty had plenty of them early. I think Forbort will be very solid as well, eventually.
 
cyclones22 said:
Muzzin was very good offensively and possession-wise from the start. He handled the puck like a hand grenade, though. To think otherwise is some serious revisionist history/memory failing. Point is, he's all grow'd up now and I view him as the #4 overall pick and Hickey as the UFA signing. All evens out. McNabb has been fine. If you check his numbers across the board, you might be a little shocked at how well he's been performing. Yes he has brain farts, but everyone sans Doughty had plenty of them early. I think Forbort will be very solid as well, eventually.
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All CF60% players turn the puck over.

You know who has lead the league in turn overs for Defenders the last three or so seasons ?

Drew Doughty and P.K. Subban. It's because they have the puck ALL THE TIME.
 
Muzzin finished ninth in Calder voting in 2013, with a little more than 4% of the total vote. Didn't exactly light the world on fire.

Muzzin was unreliable up until the latter half of 2014. He hit a stride in that playoff run and hasn't looked back since. But to say he wasn't shaky as to start is just false.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
Muzzin finished ninth in Calder voting in 2013, with a little more than 4% of the total vote. Didn't exactly light the world on fire.

Muzzin was unreliable up until the latter half of 2014. He hit a stride in that playoff run and hasn't looked back since. But to say he wasn't shaky as to start is just false.
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Sure it was touch and go, His turnovers led to some goals against.

But he wasn't terrible like people are trying to say he was. There has not been a point in Muzzin's career AT ALL, when he is on the wrong side of the metrics battle, or a none productive Defender. Every year since Muzzin has set foot on the ice for a season, he has been quite Dominant.
 
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damacles1156 said:
All CF60% players turn the puck over.

You know who has lead the league in turn overs for Defenders the last three or so seasons ?

Drew Doughty and P.K. Subban. It's because they have the puck ALL THE TIME.
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Sorry, Muzzin was straight up teeing up shots to the opposition his rookie and into his second year. There are turnovers and there are WTF are you doing?! turnovers. Muzzin HAD LOTS his first 2 seasons.
 
cyclones22 said:
Sorry, Muzzin was straight up teeing up shots to the opposition his rookie and into his second year. There are turnovers and there are WTF are you doing?! turnovers. Muzzin HAD LOTS his first 2 seasons.
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If that was true, it would show up in Metrics, It's not there. Even his Rookie season he was ++ in all metrics that handle shot DF and CF%. You guys are remembering his once in a while blatant turnover that ended up in the net.

That happens to all Possession defenders, you don't remember the other 60+ touches Muzzin made that the correct play happens.
 
Folks, you just don't go from Ho Hum, to one of the most dominant defenders the NHL has.

That doesn't happen.
 
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