Value of: Laine to Montreal

[Gaud]

I don't know why, but Laine strikes me as a good Utah target.

Dont know about Utah, but there was a time Arizona would Mullet over

 

[Habs Halifax]

Is there a Habs proposal that isn't trying to pawn off Stuble/Barron/Harris?

We won't do any 1/1 trades for Laine. It will be a futures package with a smaller cap anchor included (maybe Dvorak because the Jackets can use center depth).

I know you won't like it but our offers will be Dvorak, Jets 1st, and pieces like Struble, Barorn, Harris. However, I don't see us being serious because Laine for 2 more years is not ideal for our team at this stage.

 

[Gaud]

What do we know about his current issues? I mean i see a lot of assumptions that it has something to do with the stress of playing hockey and the media attention it puts on. "Prioritizing my mental health and well being" is vague and doesn't necessarily mean that. Could be that he hit rock bottom after a struggle with substance issues, or someone died in his family and he cant bounce back, or whatever. Is Columbus that stressful a market?

Anyways, he's got talent for sure, but I feel the habs are trying to build a culture of engagement and dedication and I dont think Laine fits with that. If it turns out that the pressures of Columbus are to blame for his woes, then Mtl is probably not the right place for him either

 

[FerrisRox]

He's essentially been just under a PPG in his entire tenure at Columbus.

Interesting that you call 34 points "essentially just under" a point per game.

Another, perhaps more accurate way of describing his production with the Jackets, would be "he is nowhere close to a point game" with the Columbus.

 

[CBJx614]

Interesting that you call 34 points "essentially just under" a point per game.

Another, perhaps more accurate way of describing his production with the Jackets, would be "he is nowhere close to a point game" with the Columbus.

His first year he struggled to find chemistry coming back from an injury
21 points in 45 points.

Next season he scored 56 points in 56 games...
The following season 52 points in 55 games

This past season he struggled with injuries and entered the assistance program 9 points in 18 games.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Could have a career like Kessel. Gets traded to a contender and helps them win a cup playing in a secondary role.

I can only imagine what Laine would do with a real top center. Got to get his life in order first though.

 

[Mrfenn92]

This. Players like Laine and PLD should never be a part of the Habs organization. They are not equipped to handle the pressure and expectations.

What expectations on a rebuilding team

 

[Essenege]

He'd be the Habs best player right away, don't think CBJ will trade him tho

The guy is a perennial 40% in corsi/expected goals. Absolute liability 5v5. Not a GM in the league would say he’s better then Suzuki right now.

 

[mattyboy]

French media bigger then English media in Toronto?

Bigger than the English mtl media. But combined they’re bigger than TO
Mainly due to them not having anything else to take about whereas TO has raptors, jays, etc.

 

[TS Quint]

We won't do any 1/1 trades for Laine. It will be a futures package with a smaller cap anchor included (maybe Dvorak because the Jackets can use center depth).

I know you won't like it but our offers will be Dvorak, Jets 1st, and pieces like Struble, Barorn, Harris. However, I don't see us being serious because Laine for 2 more years is not ideal for our team at this stage.

This trade proposal is becoming more cliche than Ryder, Halak and a 2nd.

Any trade needs to wait and see if Laine will actually play hockey again.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He'd be the Habs best player right away, don't think CBJ will trade him tho

Might be better than Caufield but not better than what Suzuki is providing. Then we got guys like Guhle, Dach, and Slaf who are still getting better.

Habs won't be trading for Laine. 2 years in term left doesn't fit our direction

 

[Xoggz22]

If he can't handle the pressure in Ohio there's no way he can keep his mental health in check in Montreal

Clearly you don't understand this wasn't about pressure in Ohio... Laine has trained hard the last few seasons (in Columbus) and has had a multitude of injuries derailing him. This has clearly frustrated him and has been a part of his mental health concerns. However, he's still been close to a PPG player in Columbus, which is impressive for two reasons... A) he's played on poor Columbus teams and B) it takes time to get up to speed after extended absences. He has his faults on the ice but he's not a locker room cancer and is quite a good teammate. He still has high level skill, but can't seem to avoid injury. Maybe he decides to not come back. However, seeing that he appeared to get shoulder surgery, I think that bodes well that he's trying to get healthy and come back to the game.

There is simply no reason to move Laine at this point unless he specifically requests a trade. He appears to love Columbus and has been great in the room. The old narrative doesn't seem to be able to disappear so I'll just leave it at that. He's not the 18 year old from WPG.

 

[Xoggz22]

I dont want Laine anywhere near the habs. even for FREE at 100% retention. He only plays 1/2 a year now and of that 1/2 a year he only plays hard 1/2 of that. Can you imagine xhekaj who plays 110% every game and bleeds for the habs sitting along Laine "when the hell are YOU going to start playing asshoooooollll " OH, go ahead take a swing at me for that you will make MY DAY

Is this some kind of joke? Troll? I mean have you even watched him play in Columbus? Listened to him speak? Listened to teammates or the coach? Realize he took Fantilli into his apartment as an 18 year old to help him understand what it's like to be a top 5 pick and hit the NHL at 18? Nah... none of that could be real because he's always been a Fortnight guy or gamer...

Look, you want to knock him for holding the puck too long? turnovers at each blue line? Go ahead but he actually back checks, gives effort (no, he's not ever going to be a Selke finalist) and cares.

 

[Fatass]

8.7 per and two years left. Imo he has Negative value. Maybe a trade for Anderson and another bad Habs’ contract to balance the cap?

 

[Jared Dunn]

Yes, they are all #5/6/7 guys and risk being waiver fodder. Yet they are offered for elite players all the time

Laine is certainly not valued as an elite player right now, I'm sure you're going to be okay

 

[Heldig]

Laine is certainly not valued as an elite player right now, I'm sure you're going to be okay

Ha ha. Swing and a miss. It is not about Laine (who cant be traded right now anyway). Those 3 D are offered in EVERY single thread ATM like they have value in a trade.

 

[jfhabs]

Bigger than the English mtl media. But combined they’re bigger than TO
Mainly due to them not having anything else to take about whereas TO has raptors, jays, etc.

I disagree.

Even tho they have other sports in Toronto. The overall business of the Maple Leafs is bigger and has more coverage.

Both are difficult markets so we're splitting hair here.

IMO, recency bias is valid when talking about a Patrick Laine trade since that's the envrionment he'd end up now. Montreal media have been a lot softer on the team and players lately in my opinion. In the most part due to the expectations set by the management group.

 

[BLONG7]

Could have a career like Kessel. Gets traded to a contender and helps them win a cup playing in a secondary role.

I can only imagine what Laine would do with a real top center. Got to get his life in order first though.

Seems he has had issues since his days with the Jets.
Has to get his life in order, and return to the Blue Jackets....no way they sell low.
Needs to earn his money, that he and his agent demanded.

So much talent...................but something is wrong there for sure.

 

[Habs Halifax]

What expectations on a rebuilding team

Only way you will understand that is to live in Montreal or be closely connected. It's a hot hockey market that pumps up players when they are trending well and throws them under the bus when they are not trending well.

If Laine is meh in Montreal like he is in Columbus, he's going to be in for a wild ride. Media/fans will pepper you with question after question and that can wear on some guys

Seems he has had issues since his days with the Jets.
Has to get his life in order, and return to the Blue Jackets....no way they sell low.
Needs to earn his money, that he and his agent demanded.

So much talent...................but something is wrong there for sure.

Seems to be easily distracted with his focus. Still a young man to some degree.

Even the Jets had issues with his work ethic at times. It's been a back/forth road with him for a while now. For what I know, he needs to be carefully managed and playing with talent. That's how you get the best from him. Similar stuff can be said with Dubois. They are not really self motivated types IMO.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

What do we know about his current issues? I mean i see a lot of assumptions that it has something to do with the stress of playing hockey and the media attention it puts on. "Prioritizing my mental health and well being" is vague and doesn't necessarily mean that. Could be that he hit rock bottom after a struggle with substance issues, or someone died in his family and he cant bounce back, or whatever. Is Columbus that stressful a market?

Anyways, he's got talent for sure, but I feel the habs are trying to build a culture of engagement and dedication and I dont think Laine fits with that. If it turns out that the pressures of Columbus are to blame for his woes, then Mtl is probably not the right place for him either

We don't know anything. Any post assuming it has to do with the stress of media attention - or any specific cause, for that matter - is just making stuff up.

I do not think the CBJ are looking to move Laine. If that changes, I will assume it is because they have talked things over with player and representation and it's decided it's for the best for both sides to part ways. But it's a little too early for that discussion.

(FYI this coming from a poster who's generally dissatisfied with Laine tenure in Columbus and wish the club was in a position to trade him.)

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Seems to be easily distracted with his focus. Still a young man to some degree.

I am just a rando internet dude who consumes a bunch of CBJ media, so this is worth absolutely nothing - but I'm working on a theory that he's just a bit immature. Not everyone in their early-mid 20s is significantly removed from what they were like in their late teens - and no, I'm not talking about partying or video games, I'm just talking about establishing values and how you want to live your life. Not everyone who's driven to be great knows exactly what to do to accomplish it, and not everyone who has struggled with this knows exactly how to handle it.

 

[squashmaple]

Only way you will understand that is to live in Montreal or be closely connected. It's a hot hockey market that pumps up players when they are trending well and throws them under the bus when they are not trending well.

If Laine is meh in Montreal like he is in Columbus, he's going to be in for a wild ride. Media/fans will pepper you with question after question and that can wear on some guys

Look at Drouin. Extremely similar situation, in fact. Highly touted young prospect, traded for another highly touted prospect, frequently injured, anxiety gets the best of him, Players Assistance Program. And with Laine we can't even point to the pressure cooker that is the Montreal media and fanbase tearing apart a Quebecois player. Laine is a terrible target for Montreal in particular.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Look at Drouin. Extremely similar situation, in fact. Highly touted young prospect, traded for another highly touted prospect, frequently injured, anxiety gets the best of him, Players Assistance Program. And with Laine we can't even point to the pressure cooker that is the Montreal media and fanbase tearing apart a Quebecois player. Laine is a terrible target for Montreal in particular.

Can't argue with this. However, I'm still open if the cost is manageable because I am a big Laine fan. I just don't see the Jackets trading him for cheap though.

The other thing that would bother me the most is his 2 years in term left. That doesn't fit our timeline IMO.

Always open to talk and discuss but Laine with Montreal is a reach. Most of us see it that way

I am just a rando internet dude who consumes a bunch of CBJ media, so this is worth absolutely nothing - but I'm working on a theory that he's just a bit immature. Not everyone in their early-mid 20s is significantly removed from what they were like in their late teens - and no, I'm not talking about partying or video games, I'm just talking about establishing values and how you want to live your life. Not everyone who's driven to be great knows exactly what to do to accomplish it, and not everyone who has struggled with this knows exactly how to handle it.

I remember him being interviewed in a draft lottery show back when (pre draft). He's lying on his bed just chilling. lol.

He's one of those extremely talented players that needs to be motivated. One area to motivate him is winning games and playing with talent. Something the Blue Jackets can't offer him right now.

Very interesting to look back on the Laine/Dubois flip. Both players are not trending well today.

 

[junyab]

There would only be a small chance that this would work out very well for the Habs, and too large of a chance for a negative impact.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Gallagher + ?

if the + here is "roll the dice and whatever number it lands on is how many first round picks montreal adds" then maybe