Value of: Laine to Montreal

[cbjthrowaway]

The guy is a perennial 40% in corsi/expected goals. Absolute liability 5v5. Not a GM in the league would say he’s better then Suzuki right now.

this would be an excellent point if it was actually accurate (spoiler: it's not)

patrik laine was the jackets best forward at 5v5 in 22-23 in:

• CF% (49.9% – next highest was 47.5%)
• GF% (52.2% – the only CBJ player over 47% that year)
• SCF% (48.1%)

he was also their third best lineup regular in xGF/60 and was middle of the pack in xGA/60 (better than jenner, gaudreau, kuraly, roslovic, etc)

he's actually been really good for columbus when healthy – the perception is just because he's more of a playmaker now and the team's power play has been broken for most of the last decade.

 

[Jungle Boy]

PLD?!!

 

[Weltschmerz]

if the + here is "roll the dice and whatever number it lands on is how many first round picks montreal adds" then maybe

Is that some D&D dice or one of those that always roll 6?

 

[NotCommitted]

His father suddenly died a couple years ago and by everything Laine has said about him, hockey used to be their thing. That is quite public information but apparently not that widely known or some people are just complete idiots. Or both.

What, if anything, that had to do with his decision to enter the program for mental health reasons I have no idea.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Is there a Habs proposal that isn't trying to pawn off Stuble/Barron/Harris?

Fotlr Laine? No

 

[behemolari]

Tell us you've never watched Laine in union blue without saying you've never watched Laine in union blue.

Accusing him of dogging it or of lack of effort here is like accusing Sasha Barkov of refusing to backcheck - it's not just not the problem, it is so overwhelmingly the opposite of the problem as to be ludicrously absurd. If anything, he tries too hard - he's too determined to push the team to victory and so takes risks and/or attempts to make plays that make things worse.

The Myth Laine is not playing hard just wont go away, its must be some kind of association which came from trading for Dubois or how snipers play generally. Challenge with him is he is very injury prone. He should not play that hard he is always hurt.

 

[BigHabs]

Merzlikins
Laine

For

Anderson - offset Merzlikins, open wing for Laine.
Harris
Primeau
Price(LTIR)
1st round pick(WIN)

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think Laine to Chicago because I think Bedard might just be the player to bring him back on track.

 

[Viqsi]

Merzlikins
Laine

For

Anderson

You can stop right there. The answer is no.

 

[elmaco]

Look at Drouin. Extremely similar situation, in fact. Highly touted young prospect, traded for another highly touted prospect, frequently injured, anxiety gets the best of him, Players Assistance Program. And with Laine we can't even point to the pressure cooker that is the Montreal media and fanbase tearing apart a Quebecois player. Laine is a terrible target for Montreal in particular.

The problem with this take is that Drouin actually never accomplished anything, now look at Laine and how he scored back in WPG.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

I still don’t see one good reason why Columbus does this, especially paying a team to take him. Laines been good when healthy. Just gotta bet on him not getting hurt. Not great odds, still not worth dumping him for nothing though.

 

[VT]

The problem with this take is that Drouin actually never accomplished anything, now look at Laine and how he scored back in WPG.

If you think that

2022/23 - 56 points in 56 games (the best PPG in the team)
2023/24 - 52 points in 55 games (the best PPG in the team)
(I don't count 2022/23 - COVID season and this, he played only 18 games from this 13 after concussion.)

is bad...

Also looked his partners, especially centers (ask Rangers fan about Roslovic) and d-men because offensive Werenski, Bean, Boqvist were often injured and we played with ... Bayreuther, Bjork, Berni and similar.

Btw, he really played good in the play without the puck, defense.

 

[elmaco]

If you think that

2022/23 - 56 points in 56 games (the best PPG in the team)
2023/24 - 52 points in 55 games (the best PPG in the team)
(I don't count 2022/23 - COVID season and this, he played only 18 games from this 13 after concussion.)

is bad...

Also looked his partners, especially centers (ask Rangers fan about Roslovic) and d-men because offensive Werenski, Bean, Boqvist were often injured and we played with ... Bayreuther, Bjork, Berni and similar.

Btw, he really played good in the play without the puck, defense.

Granted those two seasons were respectable. I still don't think its anywhere near the amount of prestige Laine had before the trade, he scored 138 goals for WPG in his first 4 seasons(excluding playoffs).

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Wouldn’t take him for free personally

 

[Dutronc]

It's the type of gamble MTL needs to do.

1st WPG + Dvorak + Harris/Barron/Struble/Masar

 

[VT]

Granted those two seasons were respectable. I still don't think its anywhere near the amount of prestige Laine had before the trade, he scored 138 goals for WPG in his first 4 seasons(excluding playoffs).

Problems with PP and injuries, but he played really well in 5v5. The problem is he tried to pass more than shoot.

Btw, you can look at our defense (especially games) in 2022/23:

Columbus Blue Jackets 2022-2023 - Roster, Stats & more

Columbus Blue Jackets - NHL - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com

www.eliteprospects.com

And his lines in the last season (he played center only in the games, with Marchenko and Gaudreau). Btw, Chinakhov was not so good yet, Marchenko didn't have abnormal SH% more. And one played better without Gaudreau.

Patrik Laine - Fantasy Hockey Game Logs, Advanced Stats and more - Frozen Tools

This is Patrik Laine's influence on his partners:

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&playerid=8479339&sit=5v5&stype=2&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t

 

[majormajor]

Granted those two seasons were respectable. I still don't think its anywhere near the amount of prestige Laine had before the trade, he scored 138 goals for WPG in his first 4 seasons(excluding playoffs).

Prestige, I agree. But in terms of actual overall play, the best two seasons of Laine's career were 2021-22 and 2022-23.

More than respectable.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1618612580905521153

Those same stat card people memoryholed his great play and went back to trashing him without mentioning him recovering from an October concussion.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1734349465362788546

 

[Dr Amazing]

Laine for Caufield.

 

[bud12]

Laine for Caufield.

No. Laine to Mtl would be a futur disaster

 

[CanadienShark]

I for one, still believe in Laine. I think he'd be an excellent pickup, depending on the price.

 

[CanadienShark]

I for one, still believe in Laine. I think he'd be an excellent pickup, depending on the price.

Only way you will understand that is to live in Montreal or be closely connected. It's a hot hockey market that pumps up players when they are trending well and throws them under the bus when they are not trending well.

If Laine is meh in Montreal like he is in Columbus, he's going to be in for a wild ride. Media/fans will pepper you with question after question and that can wear on some guys



Seems to be easily distracted with his focus. Still a young man to some degree.

Even the Jets had issues with his work ethic at times. It's been a back/forth road with him for a while now. For what I know, he needs to be carefully managed and playing with talent. That's how you get the best from him. Similar stuff can be said with Dubois. They are not really self motivated types IMO.

I'd argue that Suzuki and Slafkovsky would alleviate a lot of pressure from him and be excellent motivators. Same with Dach and Caufield, to a lesser degree. He'd be able to come in as "one of the guys" rather than being "the guy."

 

[Habs Halifax]

I for one, still believe in Laine. I think he'd be an excellent pickup, depending on the price.

I'd argue that Suzuki and Slafkovsky would alleviate a lot of pressure from him and be excellent motivators. Same with Dach and Caufield, to a lesser degree. He'd be able to come in as "one of the guys" rather than being "the guy."

Yes, I agree that is a possibility. I think lots of fans are worried about Laine downing in Montreal but it could end up being the opposite. He comes here and is added to our core while not being expected to lead the offense like Drouin was. Different circumstances.

Personally, I just don't like the 2 years in term left. It's a possible short term gain and the Habs need 5+ solutions.

 

[CanadienShark]

Yes, I agree that is a possibility. I think lots of fans are worried about Laine downing in Montreal but it could end up being the opposite. He comes here and is added to our core while not being expected to lead the offense like Drouin was. Different circumstances.

Personally, I just don't like the 2 years in term left. It's a possible short term gain and the Habs need 5+ solutions.

I actually like the 2 year term, especially if the cost to acquire is reasonable. Basically a short term, low risk trial with potentially really high reward if he fits. As you mentioned, totally different circumstances compared to the Drouin trade where he was basically expected to turn into a #1C even though he was a winger.

 

[elmaco]

Prestige, I agree. But in terms of actual overall play, the best two seasons of Laine's career were 2021-22 and 2022-23.

More than respectable.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1618612580905521153

Those same stat card people memoryholed his great play and went back to trashing him without mentioning him recovering from an October concussion.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1734349465362788546

I was actually talking about Drouin in that post, but your post is also correct.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I actually like the 2 year term, especially if the cost to acquire is reasonable. Basically a short term, low risk trial with potentially really high reward if he fits. As you mentioned, totally different circumstances compared to the Drouin trade where he was basically expected to turn into a #1C even though he was a winger.

Problem with the 2 years is if it works, do we have cap space to re-sign? I guess it depends on the cost to acquire.