Value of: Laine, off season trade (mod warning OP)

[DanyHeatley]

Big RFA for 2022, 23yrs old. Let’s face it if he didn’t like his role in WPG, then he definitely hates it there in CBJ. Here’s a list of reasons why:
John Tortorella
Struggling to generate offence
Ice time has significantly dropped
Demoted to 4th line with AHL caliber players
Sometimes he’s scratched
Derailed with injuries (nothing to do with CBJ) but still.... list goes on

What are teams willing to give up for this RFA or potential sign and trade?

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[Viqsi]

We're not trading him unless we get our major need (defensively-minded top-6 or even top-line center) filled. Otherwise, it makes infinitely more sense to QO him and see if we can get him rehabbed under new circumstances. Selling low would be potentially disastrous.

(Also, that "demotion to the 4th line" lasted for all of one shift.)

 

[Dumais]

Can CBJ fans have more than 30+ games and a shorten season (no preseason, new system, new teammates, new coach etc.) Before we have thread after thread demanding CBJ fans to take nothing for him.

How about a #1C? Oh you want to offer prospects and picks? How about no then.

 

[DanyHeatley]

We're not trading him unless we get our major need (defensively-minded top-6 or even top-line center) filled. Otherwise, it makes infinitely more sense to QO him and see if we can get him rehabbed under new circumstances. Selling low would be potentially disastrous.

(Also, that "demotion to the 4th line" lasted for all of one shift.)

why didn’t you reply with what your team needs?

 

[Viqsi]

why didn’t you reply with what your team needs?

I did. Let me highlight it for you:

We're not trading him unless we get our major need (defensively-minded top-6 or even top-line center) filled. Otherwise, it makes infinitely more sense to QO him and see if we can get him rehabbed under new circumstances. Selling low would be potentially disastrous.

(Also, that "demotion to the 4th line" lasted for all of one shift.)

If you're looking for needs other than that... when it comes to a Laine proposal, there aren't any.

 

[Dumais]

Big RFA for 2022, 23yrs old. Let’s face it if he didn’t like his role in WPG, then he definitely hates it there in CBJ. Here’s a list of reasons why:
John Tortorella
Struggling to generate offence
Ice time has significantly dropped
Demoted to 4th line with AHL caliber players
Sometimes he’s scratched
Derailed with injuries (nothing to do with CBJ) but still.... list goes on

What are teams willing to give up for this RFA or potential sign and trade?

How about asking nicely?

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Well without a doubt a team WILL take a chance on him. Would love him back in Winnipeg but that ship has kind of sailed unless he's a desperate UFA willing to take a discount.

Hard to say where he ends up but my guess is Colorado.

 

[Viqsi]

Well without a doubt a team WILL take a chance on him.

Indeed - and given that we have his RFA rights, the team that'll take a chance on him next year is most likely to be us. Unless someone is willing to pay high prices now (instead of "he's already a lost cause" prices, which is what we're normally quoted), it's better for us to keep trying.

 

[VijayPatel11]

I think that Florida would be a good landing spot for him
However, since Jackets fans seem hellbent on somehow getting a top 6 center for him, I'd say we wait for the experiment to inevitably fail once again in 2021-22, then trade for his signing rights for cheaper

 

[DanyHeatley]

I did. Let me highlight it for you:

If you're looking for needs other than that... when it comes to a Laine proposal, there aren't any.

Let me be more specific... teams needs as in players.

 

[Viqsi]

I think that Florida would be a good landing spot for him
However, since Jackets fans seem hellbent on somehow getting a top 6 center for him, I'd say we wait for the experiment to inevitably fail once again in 2021-22, then trade for his signing rights for cheaper

Feel free to go ahead and come up with and describe a plausible scenario in which trading Laine this offseason for anything short of that ends up actually benefiting and improving the Jackets. We'll wait.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I'd love for Colorado to scoop him up on the cheap and try to bring him up to his potential but I don't think CBJ should sell low here. Pay an arm and a leg to get a good center, feed him PP time and tons of minutes, and if it's still unpalatable trade him when value is a little better. He has so much potential.

 

[VijayPatel11]

Feel free to go ahead and come up with and describe a plausible scenario in which trading Laine this offseason for anything short of that ends up actually benefiting and improving the Jackets. We'll wait.

Your team has been worse than the Red Wings this year. All you would be doing is improving that record a little bit by adding a top 6 center
I am no GM, but this looks like a situation where you take prospects or picks for Laine

 

[maplepred]

Preds offer Jarnkrok for Laine. But jackets throw in a fifth. Laine stinks.

 

[Roof Daddy]

7.5 million QO

Yikes.

That said, completely expect Laine to get the QO for one year from CBJ. Really hard to tell if this guy cares enough to bounce back or if that one year deal will be his retirement contract so he can live out his years gaming. I wish I was joking, but it wouldn’t be the first time an ultra talented player lost interest (see Jimmy Carson and Alexandre Daimler).

 

[Viqsi]

Let me be more specific... teams needs as in players.

Perhaps if your thread involved specific teams, then specific players could be discussed. As it is, picking players from random teams is likely not going to lead to productive discussion, because the teams that have the sorts of players we need tend to fall into one or both of the following categories:

• Lack a compelling motivation to engage in a risky reclamation project on the wing, and/or
• Only have ONE such player available and can't afford to give him up at all - or giving him up would be severe overkill.

For example, you appear to be a Sens fan. From the Sens, the lowest-value player that would fit the criteria is zvfgrewbfuabeevfngpragre (name rot13ed to hopefully impede outrage hobbyists scanning for names). But that's still such severe overkill that it makes less than zero sense for the Sens, so there's no good conversation to be had there - just another flamewar. So there's not much point in even bringing him up.

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Your team has been worse than the Red Wings this year. All you would be doing is improving that record a little bit by adding a top 6 center

Incorrect. By adding a defensively capable top-6 center, we get a guy who can take on minutes against top players and thus shield folks like Roslovic and Texier and Foudy while they grow and develop. As it is, we have to keep throwing them and Domi to the wolves, and that's just making a bad situation worse.

I am no GM, but this looks like a situation where you take prospects or picks for Laine

And if our rehab efforts fail, then that will likely be discussed at that time. But until that time, there's no good reason for us to lower the price.

 

[Viqsi]

Preds offer Jarnkrok for Laine. But jackets throw in a fifth. Laine stinks.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[McSuper]

Offer withdrawn . This guy is scoring less then Puljujarvi .

 

[DarthProbert]

Well without a doubt a team WILL take a chance on him. Would love him back in Winnipeg but that ship has kind of sailed unless he's a desperate UFA willing to take a discount.

Hard to say where he ends up but my guess is Colorado.

I'd love for Colorado to scoop him up on the cheap and try to bring him up to his potential but I don't think CBJ should sell low here. Pay an arm and a leg to get a good center, feed him PP time and tons of minutes, and if it's still unpalatable trade him when value is a little better. He has so much potential.

Absolutely no from Colorado, at any price. This is a cap league and we got better players to spend it on. His salary will not fit without moving core players who aren't moving.

 

[Cogburn]

The least original proposal reoccurring here again:

JT Miller is probably on the block after having the audacity to question management and ownership.

He's looked good as our 1b center, too.

 

[Fro]

Preds offer Jarnkrok for Laine. But jackets throw in a fifth. Laine stinks.

Don't make proposals

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Absolutely no from Colorado, at any price. This is a cap league and we got better players to spend it on. His salary will not fit without moving core players who aren't moving.

Mm, to some extent I agree, but I can't help but be tantalized by the potential

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I think that Florida would be a good landing spot for him
However, since Jackets fans seem hellbent on somehow getting a top 6 center for him, I'd say we wait for the experiment to inevitably fail once again in 2021-22, then trade for his signing rights for cheaper

Hysterical that if the experiment would fail you’d be interested in trading for his signing rights when you would then know the failure is the player himself. But cool.

 

[Gecklund]

We're not trading him unless we get our major need (defensively-minded top-6 or even top-line center) filled. Otherwise, it makes infinitely more sense to QO him and see if we can get him rehabbed under new circumstances. Selling low would be potentially disastrous.

(Also, that "demotion to the 4th line" lasted for all of one shift.)

Couture for Laine. Do it.

 

[Viqsi]

Couture for Laine. Do it.

I think we'd be better off trying to sign someone like Krejci for a year or three instead.