Speculation: LA Kings with heavy interest in Landeskog

[KingCanadain1976]

agreed but there are plenty of other options that would require less than the price of one Gabriel Landeskog

agreed but would them options be better or worse thats the real question, I got to admit 4 years of landeskog on kopitar's wing not much better out there that i can see to be honest.

 

[Trolfoli]

Nope. Not according to the Mayor (on LaDue)

The Mayor John Hoven ‏@mayorNHL · 3h3 hours ago

The Mayor John Hoven Retweeted Mr. K.

The only untouchable on defense. Kings not moving him. Slotted as Voynov replacement.

agreed but would them options be better or worse thats the real question, I got to admit 4 years of landeskog on kopitar's wing not much better out there that i can see to be honest.

These 2 posts are the issue. Guess I don't see the defense as capable of winning a cup right now. They need time and experience. Lombardi is looking at LaDue for that right side. That's a couple years out. Forbort & Gravel need more experience.

Landeskog would be great with Kopitar, but if the team isn't where it needs to be to compete, what's the rush? Could just wait on Kempe.

Quick is out on top of that, and we don't have any timeline on his return yet.

Just seems like a strange time for Lombardi to be all turbo on the trade front.

 

[deeshamrock]

I wonder what E. Kane would cost. Has to be less than Landeskog.

Martinez + King?

It wasn't just Kings Scouts at the Flyers/Sabres game last night, according one of the Buffalo media, the Kings have been actively scouting Kane (sabres games) for 2 months.

He noted that the broken ribs are finally healedand Kane has been very physical, throwing his weight around and playing well. And it could be the time off and his agent convinced him to play for a trade. Head case? yes. Problem child? Yes. But didn't DL say you can't have a lockerroom full of choir boys? Helluva talent but a risk...
ANd if the asking price for Landy is too rich for his blood, it could be Kane isn't. No secret the Sabres are trying/have been trying to move him for months.

Sabres are looking for a top 4 d, who is a puck moving leftie than can work a PP.
And Terry Murray is the defense coach there and knows the Kings d well.

They won't protect Kane in the draft, so his price tag could be dropping...

 

[johnjm22]

And the present reality is you'd be trading a #3 Dman for a #1 LW. Easier to find another #3 DMan than a #1 LW.

He's a guy that can fill in on the top line if you don't have a legit number one LW that can pot 30+ goals. He's more accurately described as a "Top 6 winger."

Top 4 defenseman > Top 6 Winger

From this point forward, I bet Pearson will produce just as much if not more than Landeskog.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Nope. Not according to the Mayor (on LaDue)

The Mayor John Hoven ‏@mayorNHL · 3h3 hours ago

The Mayor John Hoven Retweeted Mr. K.

The only untouchable on defense. Kings not moving him. Slotted as Voynov replacement.

If the rumours are right that the avs are looking for defense man LaDue makes the most sense for them to be there wit all due respect to the mayor i don't think the avs are there to look at anyone else really Ladue makes sense to be scouted now there is a difference on scouting him and him being trade however

 

[Trolfoli]

It wasn't just Kings Scouts at the Flyers/Sabres game last night, according one of the Buffalo media, the Kings have been actively scouting Kane (sabres games) for 2 months.

He noted that the broken ribs are finally healedand Kane has been very physical, throwing his weight around and playing well. And it could be the time off and his agent convinced him to play for a trade. Head case? yes. Problem child? Yes. But didn't DL say you can't have a lockerroom full of choir boys? Helluva talent but a risk...
ANd if the asking price for Landy is too rich for his blood, it could be Kane isn't. No secret the Sabres are trying/have been trying to move him for months.

Sabres are looking for a top 4 d, who is a puck moving leftie than can work a PP.
And Terry Murray is the defense coach there and knows the Kings d well.

They won't protect Kane in the draft, so his price tag could be dropping...

Yeah......

-You can't have a team full of choir boys, but Kane is the wrong type of wrong. You need guys that can physically punish the other team and get under their skin, but you need "mobsters" that put the family first. Not just guys that are in it for themselves.

-Sabres looking for top 4D that can move the puck.
Muzzin for Kane is too much.
Martinez could work, but who would move the puck on the second pair? Muzzin/Gilbert? Muzzin/Gravel?
Forbort: Difference in cap means cap dump going back. Kings only have 2 that would fit the bill.

I hope the Kane thing is a bait and switch. Get them focused on Muzzin, then move them to Sam Reinhart.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

These 2 posts are the issue. Guess I don't see the defense as capable of winning a cup right now. They need time and experience. Lombardi is looking at LaDue for that right side. That's a couple years out. Forbort & Gravel need more experience.

Landeskog would be great with Kopitar, but if the team isn't where it needs to be to compete, what's the rush? Could just wait on Kempe.

Quick is out on top of that, and we don't have any timeline on his return yet.

Just seems like a strange time for Lombardi to be all turbo on the trade front.

Landeskog is a long term fit for the kings Its not like hes renting him He is signed for 4 years The rush is he is available now The defense will be ready in 2 years imo then we will be able to make another run this time with a kopi landy pair on the top line. Kempe may be ready to replace gaborik and we would have a kkl top line which looks and sounds good to me

 

[Trolfoli]

If the rumours are right that the avs are looking for defense man LaDue makes the most sense for them to be there wit all due respect to the mayor i don't think the avs are there to look at anyone else really Ladue makes sense to be scouted now there is a difference on scouting him and him being trade however

It's strange that the Avs are looking at Carlo out of Boston and maybe LaDue. They have Barrie and EJ on the right side. EJ has 6 years left and Barrie just resigned and has 3 years left. (after this year)

If they wanted the team better now it seems like a LHD would be the target.

 

[Trolfoli]

Landeskog is a long term fit for the kings Its not like hes renting him He is signed for 4 years The rush is he is available now The defense will be ready in 2 years imo then we will be able to make another run this time with a kopi landy pair on the top line. Kempe may be ready to replace gaborik and we would have a kkl top line which looks and sounds good to me

Now to get Landeskog without giving up Kempe or LaDue.

Almost seems like a 2C/W might be a better target for flexibility due to injuries.

Edit: Yeah, just grab Landeskog and sing Tavares in a couple of years.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Now to get Landeskog without giving up Kempe or LaDue.

Almost seems like a 2C/W might be a better target for flexibility due to injuries.

Edit: Yeah, just grab Landeskog and sing Tavares in a couple of years.

i also had a different thought of going muzzin for kadri and 2nd or 2 3rd s My thinking there is he does a good job against mcdavid and if we got him we move carter up to kopitars line and have kadri center toffoli and Pearson Kadri 6 games a year against mcdavid would be very tempting

 

[Omni Owl]

I just don't see any moves being made right before the expansion draft. Its already risky enough making a regular trade in the NHL, add the draft into the mix and that's a potential disaster waiting to happen for a GM. I don't want to see any more of our bare cupboard traded away, we hardly have any decent players coming up thru the pipeline anymore. It seems like the hole Voynov left is finally plugged and we're already talking about moving Muzzin/Martinez for a LW. No thanks.

That hole at left wing should be plugged internally. Its a shame Kempe isn't developing as planned, but maybe Brodzinski/Amadio could get a call and we can see what they can do for the offense.

 

[Kingspiracy]

i also had a different thought of going muzzin for kadri and 2nd or 2 3rd s My thinking there is he does a good job against mcdavid and if we got him we move carter up to kopitars line and have kadri center toffoli and Pearson Kadri 6 games a year against mcdavid would be very tempting

I like the option of the extra strong center depth, but isn't kadri pretty weak on the dot? I suppose carter could babysit the faceoffs and play his wing.

 

[Basilisk]

LoVerde, who hasn't been able to make this Kings team, maybe he'd be good enough to play on the Avs? That's what happened with guys like Cliche & Smithson. They weren't good enough to be Kings, but they were good enough for other teams. I'm just sayin'......

 

[Little Psycho]

A tiger cannot change his stripes....no thanks to Kane.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

LoVerde, who hasn't been able to make this Kings team, maybe he'd be good enough to play on the Avs? That's what happened with guys like Cliche & Smithson. They weren't good enough to be Kings, but they were good enough for other teams. I'm just sayin'......

LoVerde for Landeskog and Duchene.

 

[Trolfoli]

A tiger cannot change his stripes....no thanks to Kane.

The problem with Kane is the expansion draft. Who would you protect him over? If you aren't looking to protect him why give up assets right now?

If they wanted Brown, sure. Unlikely. Maybe King + 3rd at 50% retained? That wouldn't be enough, but I'd hesitate to go any higher on someone you could lose for nothing in a couple of months.

LoVerde for Landeskog and Duchene.

Why does everyone keep trying to trade defense for forwards? Cap says no anyways.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I dont think you have anything to worry about. there is no way in hell Deano would trade for someone with as many character issues as E Kane after whats happened to the Kings over the last few seasons

I don't know. Stoll is back in some capacity, if Richards could still play we never even know about the border thing, and he did let Voynov practice with the team that one time while he was suspended.

 

[YP44]

Yeah......

-You can't have a team full of choir boys, but Kane is the wrong type of wrong. You need guys that can physically punish the other team and get under their skin, but you need "mobsters" that put the family first. Not just guys that are in it for themselves.

-Sabres looking for top 4D that can move the puck.
Muzzin for Kane is too much.
Martinez could work, but who would move the puck on the second pair? Muzzin/Gilbert? Muzzin/Gravel?
Forbort: Difference in cap means cap dump going back. Kings only have 2 that would fit the bill.

I hope the Kane thing is a bait and switch. Get them focused on Muzzin, then move them to Sam Reinhart.

It's too bad Buffalo doesn't have Pysk still

 

[deeshamrock]

I wonder if DL knew that Taylor Hall was available, for a top D, if he'd have offered/packaged Muzzin

 

[KingsFan7824]

I just don't see any moves being made right before the expansion draft. Its already risky enough making a regular trade in the NHL, add the draft into the mix and that's a potential disaster waiting to happen for a GM. I don't want to see any more of our bare cupboard traded away, we hardly have any decent players coming up thru the pipeline anymore. It seems like the hole Voynov left is finally plugged and we're already talking about moving Muzzin/Martinez for a LW. No thanks.

That hole at left wing should be plugged internally. Its a shame Kempe isn't developing as planned, but maybe Brodzinski/Amadio could get a call and we can see what they can do for the offense.

There's risk down any road Lombardi takes. If he does nothing, they're losing Dowd or Forbort. If he trades picks/prospects, it only further depletes and already depleted system. If he trades a defenseman for a forward, it's creating a hole to fill one.

It's not 2012-2014 anymore, when the vets weren't as expensive, and the young guys were Kopitar, Doughty, Martinez, Muzzin, Voynov, Toffoli, etc. Now, all the vets have much bigger and longer contracts, a few of them cap killers, and Dowd and Forbort aren't Kopitar and Doughty.

We saw the direction Lombardi headed in the summer after 2 disappoint seasons; quiet, no big move, just some warm bodies to give younger players some time. Brown and Gaborik make adding anyone almost impossible. If Kopitar can't score, they don't seem to have the depth they had in 2014 when Kopitar didn't score against the Hawks and Rangers. It's a tough spot to be in.

I'm ok if Lombardi stays quiet, plugs in a young guy when possible, keeps all the picks, and rides out all these bad contracts until they end. That's going to be a lot of wasted time though, Kopitar, Carter, and Quick will be much older by then, and Doughty will be a lot more expensive. It might make sense, in the big picture, to trade the guys with good contracts that still have value(Toffoli, Pearson, Muzzin, Martinez) for picks and prospects, recouping the lost value that Brown and Gaborik no longer have, ride out the bad contracts, and then in 5 years the franchise is in a better position than they otherwise might be. But that would be crazy.

 

[deeshamrock]

Maybe if the price tag for Landy is too high, DL can call Stevie Y...


http://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/mckenzie-something-has-got-to-give-for-struggling-lightning/

Bob McKenzie on TSN's 1040 on Tuesday theorized that the Bolts D is dreadful, and I they don't make a move soon for top 4 d help, they might not make the playoffs.
And as has been common knowledge, they have a boatload of contracts, heavy on forwards, to be signed this summer and can't afford to keep them all.

That he’s not going to be able to sign all of his players in the summer. Tyler Johnson is up. Ondrej Palat is up for a deal. Jonathan Drouin is up for a deal. Now, he’s not trading Drouin. But boy oh boy, just about anybody else up front might be a possibility if they could get a defenseman in that would help them.

Elliotte Friedman spoke to that same thing earlier this week on the radio.

Elliotte Friedman also singled out Tampa Bay as a team that “really wants to do something†on the trade front. He made the comment during a Monday appearance on Calgary’s Sportsnet 960, also noting the Los Angeles Kings and Chicago Blackhawks as teams really looking to make a deal.

 

[deeshamrock]

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[Little Psycho]

**** off Chicago. Haven't they had enough.

 

[Quattro]

No it doesn't. Landy is not the problem, rather the opposite, not just a very talented player but a solid leader who is repected in that room (by the accounts of both local media and national that cover the Avs) He's everything you'd want in a player and a leader and always has been and if you watch them, one o fthe few that leaves it all on the ice. Downward spiral that they are on, would affect the lockerroom, doesn't mean it's him. I read alot of hockey stories and listen to podcasts, I've never heard of him being a problem, rather the opposite. Not sure where you read that 'rumor' or who it came from but I've not come across anything but positives about him, esp off the ice.

You misunderstood my post. I agree with everything you wrote about Landeskog's rep, that's why I can't imagine why Colorado would consider trading him.

I haven't heard any rumors about him, just that there are chemistry issues with the Avs. If you have chemistry issues, you don't get rid of the guy who isn't the problem.

I'd rather Dean go after a RH defenseman so we never see Muzzin/Martinez again.

I really hope you meant you don't want to see Muzzin & Martinez paired together, not that you want both of them gone...

 

[YP44]

**** off Chicago. Haven't they had enough.

Me thinks Vrbata goes to the hawks