Post-Game Talk: LA Kings @ The Powerhouse 7:00pm

[CHGoalie27]

No doubt bud.....u KNOW I love Hank, he will get his and end up somewhere like 4th all time. Just doesnt do that much good for the team right now. Getting more out of Georgy boy, is what we should be doing, better for his experience, win or lose. I am NOT banking on Shesty, and losing helps the cause, like it or not. Losing KILLS Hank, don't want him to die.

4th? No sir. Hes got a good shot at goin for 2nd. I dont think hell have time to catch Brodeur in wins or games played(behind the Lou system LOL)

 

[CHGoalie27]

You are "spot on", but didn't have to explain yourself. Chgoalie27 played lots of hockey and knows better. Not sure what he was thinking, maybe he had a few? Lol. I don't always convey what i know correctly. Okay sorry, shouldnt be in the middle of this.

Lol read my response. Whatever I'm drinkin, maybe you should try!

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

to be honest why on earth are we trying to win games...we are currently holding the 9th draft spot and for what reason? we obviously are not making the playoffs so why bother even trying to win games...this team should be in full tank mode and get down to the lower 5 draft position...wining games the rest of this season is utterly pointless, the season is a washout so just tank the rest of the way and get down to the last 5 pick positions

Because this is one of the most ridiculous franchises to ever exist from a die hard fan point.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Plays the right way? 16 pts in 50 games making 4 mil a year is playing the right way? If everyone played the right way like namestnikov and Fast we’d be a laughingstock. Sick of this idea of playing the right way meaning trying really hard and accomplishing nothing

He is overpaid yes...but he puts in the effort, would be an ideal 3rd line winger. I think you are too focused on his perceived worth instead of what he is actually doing on the ice. At this point he is a forechecking winger who can pk, hit and force turnovers in the offensive zone, if you are expecting 25 goals then you are looking at the wrong guy.

 

[CHGoalie27]

@Larrybiv @JHS whered ya go??

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Yeah let's keep Zucc and watch him walk for nothing.

Zucc won’t walk unless Gorts decides to not offer him a contract. He wants to play for NYR only.

 

[Fitzy]

Well then good, trade him and offer him a hugely discounted contract in the summer.

Sounds insulting to Zucc but realistically if he wants to stay during a rebuild he'll have to pretty much ask nicely and take the low salary offered.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Well then good, trade him and offer him a hugely discounted contract in the summer.

Sounds insulting to Zucc but realistically if he wants to stay during a rebuild he'll have to pretty much ask nicely and take the low salary offered.

He most certainly has not indicated he wants anything to do with this dumpster fire.

 

[ponytrekker]

So if Brady would have gone and attacked the puck, what would the attacking player do??? Umm pass to the guy wide open on the other side forcing the goalie to slide across, now the goalie has to square up to the shot while moving across. Now the guy who gets has the puck is left wide open( because Brady has gone an attacked the guy who is now without the puck-- to either one time the puck, shoot quickly, stick handle around the goalie or deek and then slide the puck past the goalie. The goalie is now left with all these options to contend with in this situation because Brady has taken himself completely out of the play and is defending a guy who is no longer in the play. Furthermore, the goalie had to slide across the net with the pass, thus making him off balance and more vulnerable to any of the options above.

The defender who stays in the middle allows the attacking player to shoot thus creating only one of the options above to be confronted by the goalie who is, if executing correctly, is already square to the puck. Since the defender remains in the center he is essentially defending both players because neither attacking player knows what the defender is going to do and therefore is left with making a risky pass through the defender or shooting the puck on the net. A deek is not an option as the defender is still, again if executing correctly, positioning his stick in a way as to still make possible stick on puck contact which may create a turnover or a separation of the puck from the attackers stick.

Goalie takes the shooter. D man takes the pass. Squirt-level shit here.

 

[Fitzy]

Goalie takes the shooter. D man takes the pass. Squirt-level **** here.

Ideally the D takes the pass whilst cutting down the shooter's angle, otherwise every 2 on 1 becomes a breakaway.

Pionk is particularily bad at this element of defense.

 

[JHS]

@JHS Thank you. Now, the reason I said what I said is a breakaway is a hell of a lot easier to deal with than a 2 on 1. When Toffoli crossed the blueline Skjei laid off instead of taking him out right away and began letting both guys to the net. If he did go to take Toffoli out at that point, he would have either been knocked off the puck or squeaked a pass thru Brady(if it didnt hit Brady) to Kempe from the blue line (giving Hnak plenty of time to get set to deal with the one on one IF the pass even got across.

Instead he lays up and begins his coverage of the passing lane that he just opened up himself.

Maybe it's me, in my 25 years of inexperience playing in net, I'd much much much rather deal with a breakaway from the blue line than anyone walking in from the angle with a strong remaining(and very distracting-from-the-puck) possibility of a pass. Also keep in mind Kempe wouldve had to settle the pass and then figure out where hes going with it.

Now, if you find this wrong, please resist temptation to revert to the stupid nonsense stuff and tell me why what I said is wrong.

@Larrybiv spot on? Lol

I think your personal preference is just that- your idea of best case. The issue I took with your original statement was you blamed Brady for the goal when he did everything textbook perfectly and did not deserve blame. I think the only thing he could have done differently was he should have angled his body facing inward as his shoulders were open to the shot allowing the shot to occur. If he points his left shoulder towards the puck his stick is also closer to the puck and more likely he would have blocked the shot or poke checked the puck away. But seriously, in the heat of the game, this stuff is so hard to be aware of that I can't really criticize him.

 

[Webster]

Well then good, trade him and offer him a hugely discounted contract in the summer.

Sounds insulting to Zucc but realistically if he wants to stay during a rebuild he'll have to pretty much ask nicely and take the low salary offered.

How on earth can you say something like this? It's very far from reality...

Did you guys miss Brooks' article? If there's a reporter you should listen to it's him, the only true insider. And let me quote this:

"What’s more, Zuccarello’s resurgence in which he has played his finest and sharpest hockey since 2016-17 has created the very real possibility that the organization could not only bring Zuccarello back as a free agent, but award him the captaincy upon signing him to a multi-year contract."

https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/trade-bait-shines-but-rangers-still-jolted-by-nhl-best-lightning/

 

[FireGerardGallant]

How on earth can you say something like this? It's very far from reality...

Did you guys miss Brooks' article? If there's a reporter you should listen to it's him, the only true insider. And let me quote this:

"What’s more, Zuccarello’s resurgence in which he has played his finest and sharpest hockey since 2016-17 has created the very real possibility that the organization could not only bring Zuccarello back as a free agent, but award him the captaincy upon signing him to a multi-year contract."

https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/trade-bait-shines-but-rangers-still-jolted-by-nhl-best-lightning/

This would be a bad idea

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

How on earth can you say something like this? It's very far from reality...

Did you guys miss Brooks' article? If there's a reporter you should listen to it's him, the only true insider. And let me quote this:

"What’s more, Zuccarello’s resurgence in which he has played his finest and sharpest hockey since 2016-17 has created the very real possibility that the organization could not only bring Zuccarello back as a free agent, but award him the captaincy upon signing him to a multi-year contract."

https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/trade-bait-shines-but-rangers-still-jolted-by-nhl-best-lightning/

I think his "resurgence" is due to seeing the trade deadline on the horizon.

And it's not really a "resurgence" as much as it's not being demoralized.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Ideally the D takes the pass whilst cutting down the shooter's angle, otherwise every 2 on 1 becomes a breakaway.

Pionk is particularily bad at this element of defense.

Yes, this is one of my big complaints with Pionk. He will guard the pass, sure, but do zero to try and take time from the shooter or try and disrupt him at all.

In squirts you teach the defenseman to take the pass and give the goalie the shot. As someone said above, that's squirt hockey 101 stuff. And it is, but when you get to higher levels, the D can't JUST take the pass. Players are too good, especially at the NHL level to give them time to pick their spot and snipe on a 2 on 1 with tons of time and space.

That's why the BEST way for a player to play a 2 on 1 in the NHL is to find a way to eliminate the pass AND try and disrupt, hurry or even block the shooter. The last thing you want to do is give the shooter 2 or 3 seconds with no pressure and let him pick his spot and snipe even if you have the pass covered.

Just covering the pass is good enough at lower levels of hockey but at this level you can't JUST take the pass, you need to do more.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How on earth can you say something like this? It's very far from reality...

Did you guys miss Brooks' article? If there's a reporter you should listen to it's him, the only true insider. And let me quote this:

"What’s more, Zuccarello’s resurgence in which he has played his finest and sharpest hockey since 2016-17 has created the very real possibility that the organization could not only bring Zuccarello back as a free agent, but award him the captaincy upon signing him to a multi-year contract."

https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/trade-bait-shines-but-rangers-still-jolted-by-nhl-best-lightning/

They could also not do the above...

Talk about reading something the way you want to read it.

 

[CHGoalie27]

I think your personal preference is just that- your idea of best case. The issue I took with your original statement was you blamed Brady for the goal when he did everything textbook perfectly and did not deserve blame. I think the only thing he could have done differently was he should have angled his body facing inward as his shoulders were open to the shot allowing the shot to occur. If he points his left shoulder towards the puck his stick is also closer to the puck and more likely he would have blocked the shot or poke checked the puck away. But seriously, in the heat of the game, this stuff is so hard to be aware of that I can't really criticize him.

I fully understand that's where you're coming from, but you explaining what your idea of the best approach is doesn't tell me why my "idea of best case" is flawed.

You don't think he should've just bodied or played the puck on Toffoli? Do I not know the game of hockey because I noticed and think he should have?

Do I not know the game of hockey after think that because I have fallen (and seen every other goalie fall) victim to that play countless times? Something better than nothing. How not? Again i got what you said...never did i not understand.

 

[mike14]

Exactly. It’s in their best interest to lose and put themselves into the best position possible for the draft lottery. Draft position can decide whether you draft a Pettersson or a Lias “Malhotra”

I know this really belongs elsewhere, but would people be that upset if Lias became Malholtra?
Manny ended up being 13th in total games played for his draft class and 21st in points. Among 1st rounders he is 8th in overall points

 

[JHS]

I fully understand that's where you're coming from, but you explaining what your idea of the best approach is doesn't tell me why my "idea of best case" is flawed.

You don't think he should've just bodied or played the puck on Toffoli? Do I not know the game of hockey because I noticed and think he should have?

Do I not know the game of hockey after think that because I have fallen (and seen every other goalie fall) victim to that play countless times? Something better than nothing. How not? Again i got what you said...never did i not understand.

I just think you are coming at this discussion contrary to literally years of hockey coaching. Brady was taught to play defense and he did as he’s told. On the play in doubt, the only part I call into question was the gap Brady allowed right as the King crossed the blue line. If he attacks right there, maybe he breaks up the play. Reality is, the king attacker likely would just saucer a pass to the other player leaving Hank alone to make a save with no defenseman anywhere near him to even clear a rebound if he makes the save. Remember it’s 3 on 3 so the back checkers won’t be back for a while if it’s a 2-1 because they will be at least a zone away, thus potentially leaving Hank to fend off multiple shots without a defenseman anywhere near him and if Brady throws a check on the attacker he takes out l( Tafoli) he will be out of the play too. The way he played it, at least he remained in the play as a defender.

I kind of feel we’ve beaten this up now at this point. Glad we got out of that little p***ing contest and entered into some real good hockey dialogue. I actually enjoyed that very much!

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I know this really belongs elsewhere, but would people be that upset if Lias became Malholtra?
Manny ended up being 13th in total games played for his draft class and 21st in points. Among 1st rounders he is 8th in overall points

I think that’s more of a testament to the draft class than to Malhotra. I hope I’m wrong about Lias but I don’t see top 6 potential.

 

[mike14]

I think that’s more of a testament to the draft class than to Malhotra. I hope I’m wrong about Lias but I don’t see top 6 potential.

Well yeah, but if the '17 class is similar and Lias ends up as a good #3C is that a bad thing?

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I think that’s more of a testament to the draft class than to Malhotra. I hope I’m wrong about Lias but I don’t see top 6 potential.

If this is the consensus of HF Boards, Lias will be a long term top 6.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Well yeah, but if the '17 class is similar and Lias ends up as a good #3C is that a bad thing?

Yeah but what about the mystery box?

It could contain anything...even a box!

 

[mike14]

Yeah but what about the mystery box?

It could contain anything...even a box!

You can always use more boxes!

 

[darko]

Zucc won’t walk unless Gorts decides to not offer him a contract. He wants to play for NYR only.

Even better. Trade him for a late 1st and then bring him back on a bargain deal in the offseason.