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King'sPawn

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This kind of sums up why your evaluation of Byfield is problematic. 20 goals and 30 assists are just random numbers you personally want to see but it’s like you haven’t actually watched him play to see that he’s clearly a playmaker.

“Byfield needs to improve on his shot”. - Yeah ok, which 20 year old doesn’t? He was also pretty snake bit last year.

“His strength”. - what 6’5” 20 year old doesn’t need to finish filling out?

“His stamina”. - again, what 20 year old doesn’t especially when he’s missed time due to illness?

Zero context in any of your arguments.
Yannetti said on one of the interviews how Byfield is still becoming a man, physically. It's pretty crazy how there's still a lot of room for strength.

But again, this ties into drafting a player who will take a lot of time when they don't even want to rebuild - they want to retool on the fly. It's just sloppy decisions which contradict each other.

Anyone who says a 20 year old is a bust is an idiot. Be a fan of the team. Go watch the Ducks or something.
One thing that's very clear is these people are fans of the Kings. If you think they aren't fans because they're critical of Byfield or ready to trade them, then SR is right about calling it deranged.

It's too early to call Byfield a bust. And I think people are silly for wanting to move on, but come on - let's not question fandom here.
 

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I root for every player on this team good or bad for the past 34 years. For f***s sake I even rooted for Roenik.
 
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Lest we forget that you were against Eichel as well. Seems like you’ve been too busy clutching your pearls for the prospects rather than being realistic about their potential or lack there of.

Yes, I was absolutely on the don't trade for Eichel train because I believed that we were looking long term, not immediate, and especially since he came with character and health question marks and we weren't ready to 'go for it.' Is that unreasonable enough for you to comment like a douche on a completely different post that had nothing to do with Eichel or prospects but instead was reaming Blake? You're changing the subject to chest thump over something random/non-sequitur.
 

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Yannetti said on one of the interviews how Byfield is still becoming a man, physically. It's pretty crazy how there's still a lot of room for strength.

But again, this ties into drafting a player who will take a lot of time when they don't even want to rebuild - they want to retool on the fly. It's just sloppy decisions which contradict each other.
This is where I think people need to do a better job of differentiating between Byfield‘s natural progression and management’s decision making. You can certainly criticize management for choosing Byfield because there was never a chance in hell he’d be ready to take over the team when Kopitar’s contract expires but that’s completely different from criticizing Byfield himself. The plan or lack there of was the problem, not the player.
 

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It's just crazy to me that this many people are ready to give up on him.

I understand being a critical / disappointed... But wanting to just flat out give up on a 20 year old 6'5 center who's played less than 100 NHL games is really strange to me.

It's also just objectively.... REALLY risky.

He's a contributing top 9 forward right now on an ELC - That's gold in today's NHL / cap situation. Given where he is at 20 years old, we can pretty comfortably assume he's going to get better in the future - Obviously nothing is ever guaranteed, but it's a pretty safe assumption given how much growth happens with players Byfield's age. If you trade him now and he only improves a little bit over the next couple years, sure.. You can live with that. But if you trade him now (for anything less than a truly elite player) and he ends up exploding...... Oh mannnnnnnnnn does that look terrible 3-4 years from now.

We see it pretty regularly. X team gets impatient with player A's development and trades him to team Y. 2-3 years later player A ends up being amazing for team Y.

Look at what happened with Mika Zibanejad and Ottawa. He's another example of a guy (a top 10 pick too) who had a lot of potential but took a while to really hit his stride. Ottawa gave up on him and now he's an elite 1C.

Do we reallllllly want to be the next example of this??

I mean I get wanting to salvage value IF he is going to bust but doing so with a player this young can really haunt teams for years.
 
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Yes, I was absolutely on the don't trade for Eichel train because I believed that we were looking long term, not immediate, and especially since he came with character and health question marks and we weren't ready to 'go for it.' Is that unreasonable enough for you to comment like a douche on a completely different post that had nothing to do with Eichel or prospects but instead was reaming Blake? You're changing the subject to chest thump over something random/non-sequitur.
More in line with the fact that you will not consider any trade and will come up with any reason to disparage any potential player that will come at the cost of the rookies. Your mother hen tendencies are just consistent across the board. I don’t think I’ve even seen you propose any kind of scenario that would include moving of those assets you’re so desperate to not budge on.

You need to be realistic that your golden goose might be a dud and that trading them before they become a dud is actually a very good reason.

Were you this fussy when the Kings traded for Jeff Carter with all his character issues and health concerns? Didn’t turn out so bad now did it? People acting like Jack Eichel was going to some butcher in Cambodia bullshit.
 

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It's just crazy to me that this many people are ready to give up on him.

I understand being a critical / disappointed... But wanting to just flat out give up on a 20 year old 6'5 center who's played less than 100 NHL games is really strange to me.

It's also just objectively.... REALLY risky.

He's a contributing top 9 forward right now on an ELC - That's gold in today's NHL / cap situation. Given where he is at 20 years old, we can pretty comfortably assume he's going to get better in the future - Obviously nothing is ever guaranteed, but it's a pretty safe assumption given how much growth happens with players Byfield's age. If you trade him now and he only improves a little bit over the next couple years, sure.. You can live with that. But if you trade him now (for anything less than a truly elite player) and he ends up exploding...... Oh mannnnnnnnnn does that look terrible 3-4 years from now.

We see it pretty regularly. X team gets impatient with player A's development and trades him to team Y. 2-3 years later player A ends up being amazing for team Y.

Look at what happened with Mika Zibanejad and Ottawa. He's another example of a guy (a top 10 pick too) who had a lot of potential but took a while to really hit his stride. Ottawa gave up on him and now he's an elite 1C.

Do we reallllllly want to be the next example of this??

I mean I get wanting to salvage value IF he is going to bust but doing so with a player this young can really haunt teams for years.
I think there’s a fair argument for both sides to be frank. I think this year is the defining year as to who he is going to be. I feel like I’ve not seen much in terms of talent, skill, and the mental frailty is pretty hard to watch. Either you can trade him now and get a safe asset, and know what you get in someone like PLD. Doesn’t have to be PLD mind you. Or you can hold onto him and hope he makes a drastic change and becomes a much better player this year. For example, the Kings can get PLD and byfield can become a much better player. Then in hindsight that was the wrong move.

I see the logic behind both sides. I just don’t see much in Byfields game currently to suggest there is this mythical leap in play that people are hoping for.
 
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you will not consider any trade and will come up with any reason to disparage any potential player that will come at the cost of the rookies.
Not my fight, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say @Raccoon Jesus never said he'd never consider any trade for a top prospect lol. Just because someone is reluctant to trade 19-21 year old top prospects and is only being willing to part ways with those guys for the perfect addition (subjective to each individual's opinion) doesn't mean they 'refuse to consider any trade'.

the mental frailty is pretty hard to watch.
Can you give an example of Byfield being mentally fragile?? You've mentioned this at least twice recently and I'd love to hear what he's done to show you he's mentally fragile.

I can understand questioning whether he has that 'killer instinct' or not... but that doesn't necessarily mean he's mentally fragile.

I just don’t see much in Byfields game currently to suggest there is this mythical leap in play that people are hoping for.
Also, I think it would more be about incremental improvement over the next couple years vs a giant leap forward all at once. The hope/expectation would be that he takes a solid step forward in his development next year, and hopefully that comes hand in hand with better point production. Then another step forward the following year. And so on and so forth until he's 23/24.

He likely has 2-3 more years of developing before he's a finished product. That's a lottttt of time to evolve into a pretty damn good player.

I think this year is the defining year as to who he is going to be.
I completely agree. We should have a MUCH better idea as to what we have with Byfield after this year.
 
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Not my fight, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say @Raccoon Jesus never said he'd never consider any trade for a top prospect lol


Can you give an example of Byfield being mentally fragile?? You've mentioned this at least twice recently and I'd love to hear what he's done to show you he's mentally fragile.

I can understand questioning whether he has that 'killer instinct' or not... but that doesn't necessarily mean he's mentally fragile.
I would really point out his shooting percentage. Byfield was only behind Drysdale in terms of shot in all the pre-scouting. He should not be this in goal scoring. He clearly has a confidence issue and you can see it in the way he plays. That’s not comforting for me. On one hand you can say well he will only score more goals sure, but he definitely doesn’t come across as confident ever. Even in WJC international play he was outshined pretty handedly. Drew killed it and oozed confidence which made him a really good player. You can become more confident for sure but I think historically and recently he seems to struggle a lot with it. There’s pretty good players in the NHL that never get over that mental hurdle and he seems to have it big time.

That’s my opinion though. I don’t think anyone would say byfield looks confident though. That’s pretty scary to me. For a guy drafted that high especially.
 

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Were you this fussy when the Kings traded for Jeff Carter with all his character issues and health concerns? Didn’t turn out so bad now did it? People acting like Jack Eichel was going to some butcher in Cambodia bullshit.
I think the issue is the Kings had their core set with Kppitar, Doughty, Voynov being able to step in, Quick, Brown, prime Richards, etc.

Your dislike for Petersen is well-documented. And not liking that an aged Kopitar and Doughty are still at the forefront. So why do you want to go out and trade pieces for players when there's arguably bigger problems from within the org?

Timing and organizational issues are why Eichel and even the Fiala trades were bad ideas. Kings got no further along than last year even though they had more talent.

Plus, Eichel wanted to have a surgery done that was never done on a hockey player before, with his health issue.

At least, that's why I've been consistently annoying about not wanting to trade prospects.
 
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I would really point out his shooting percentage. Byfield was only behind Drysdale in terms of shot in all the pre-scouting. He should not be this in goal scoring. He clearly has a confidence issue and you can see it in the way he plays. That’s not comforting for me. On one hand you can say well he will only score more goals sure, but he definitely doesn’t come across as confident ever. Even in WJC international play he was outshined pretty handedly. Drew killed it and oozed confidence which made him a really good player. You can become more confident for sure but I think historically and recently he seems to struggle a lot with it. There’s pretty good players in the NHL that never get over that mental hurdle and he seems to have it big time.

That’s my opinion though. I don’t think anyone would say byfield looks confident though. That’s pretty scary to me. For a guy drafted that high especially.
Hmmmmm. Yeah I'd agree his shooting % was likely largely due to a lack of confidence. Although I'll also re-iterate that the lack of confidence can also be linked to the fact that he lost 25 lbs 2 weeks into the season... If I'm training in the offseason and I've bulked up to 225/230 and then all of the sudden I miss 4 weeks of playing time and step back in at 200/205..... Yeah, I'm going to probably feel quite different out on the ice - maybe even uncomfortable at times - which would certainly make me less confident in my game

That said, I agree his apparent lack of confidence is a little concerning. I also don't necessarily think lack of confidence translates exactly to being mentally fragile.

I guess I just have more confidence that he'll figure it out and that confidence/swagger will come with time as he puts the weight back on and has more time to train & round out his game.
 
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I think the issue is the Kings had their core set with Kppitar, Doughty, Voynov being able to step in, Quick, Brown, prime Richards, etc.

Your dislike for Petersen is well-documented. And not liking that an aged Kopitar and Doughty are still at the forefront. So why do you want to go out and trade pieces for players when there's arguably bigger problems from within the org?

Timing and organizational issues are why Eichel and even the Fiala trades were bad ideas. Kings got no further along than last year even though they had more talent.

Plus, Eichel wanted to have a surgery done that was never done on a hockey player before, with his health issue.

At least, that's why I've been consistently annoying about not wanting to trade prospects.
I love you bby, but I gotta disagree with this line of reasoning. I think there’s this indirect notion that Eichel was going off on a whim with his surgery.

Here’s the thing too. I don’t even disagree with you about the moves the Kings have made. Were the moves bad on paper, nope. But does it signal a pretty bizarre pacing to the rebuild and almost a complete abandoning of it? Yeah for sure.

Here’s the thing. I am cool with people holding out hope for Byfield. But I get this feeling that there’s this sense of antagonism towards people who don't think its worth holding out on. Let me set out my beliefs so you can understand my position.

1. I think the word and concept of "long term project" player is not a good thing. It suggests to me that a player doesn't have the ability to grow quickly enough which to me suggests an issue with said player. I am fine "long term project" players as a whole as long as they're not the player im putting all my eggs into the basket for. Or most of the eggs. I think we all know hes a long term project for better or for worse.

2. Why do I specifically not like Byfield as a player, I think I can use analogy to drive home my feeling. Statistically speaking, you're much safer driving to work if your job is 1 city away vs 3 cities away. The further and longer you drive the more prone you are to accidents. This analogy summarizes my feelings toward Byfield. I feel like if we accept "incremental growth" then the chances of him plateauing are higher than him improving to the ceiling people expect him to be. I feel if that ceiling was within him then he wouldn't need to slowly and incrementally improve. The chances are more likely that his ceiling is much lower than expected which is why he's on this extremely slow path to begin with,

3. I do want him traded yes because I do think its much more likely given his pace that he plateaus.

4. I do think the Kings have done a disservice to all the rookies by taking spots from them.

5. The Kings are looking into PLD and even Eichel at the time because I think the Kings dont know what they had in byfield. HOWEVER while I do want Byfield traded, I do think that mass firings need to happen because the Kings for sure failed the rebuild if they trade Byfield. No one should survive that. Trading him makes sense but the management needs to canned as well. Both are exclusive.


In conclusion. I actually respect your stance. I just want people to respect where people like me are coming from as well. I dont think theres a clear right or wrong choice. I think we can all agree this rebuild was and is f***ed up.
 

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Believing a prospect is already a bust and trying to salvage value in a trade is not the same as openly rooting for a prospect to fail. Surely you understand the difference here?

The notion that any Kings fan here is openly rooting for prospects to fail just to be right on the internet is deranged.
Or it is operating in some posters sub conscious.
What happens when he breaks out in two years? Will you stop being so loud about your opinions of young players if that happens? You were wrong about Kempe and Vilardi and then just say they arent the norm and continue to be arrogantly wrong about your player assessment almost like you have not played this game in your entire life.
Cool you dont like Byfield we get it you post about it non stop.
Thats a horrible track record of predictions.
I can't believe the regulars here take these type of
Bro what on earth are you talking about? Kempe really? Let me guess you saw it coming from 6 years ago when Kempe was doing nothing that he was randomly going to become a 40 plus goal scorer out of nowhere? It always says a lot to me when someone uses Kempe as an example of patience in drafting because it clearly shows how moronic your line of thinking is. Vilardi, I always said he had the skills but he was way too sluggish. They changed his position and his foot speed improved a lot too. Not really a shock he put it together but before last season it wouldn’t have shocked anyone if he didn’t put it together either.

No one ever doubted Vilardis skill.

Were you on your knees too when they signed Petersen for 15 million? My money says you were.

What an idiotic counter argument. Seriously as a note to anyone, if someone brings up Kempe as an example of patience in drafting, rest assured they’re a clown.

comments serious.
Giving up on guys before they are pending UFA and getting minimal return is the road to being a permanent loser , imo.

Kempe was already an elite player when he played with Sweden, it was elementary to see he would break out if he was given better linemates and I pointed it out right before he was paired with Kopitar.
Voila!
TMac probably should have done it sooner bu th the upside is he was developed to be very good on both sides of the puck.
Vilardi had me worried but he is an illustration you adhere the rule to hold them until they are pending UFA at the least.
They are doing it now with Kaliyev, he needs to be paired with Vilardi not competing against him.
L3- Fiala - Vilardi -Kalliyev
Guys ever saying to trade Kempe , Vilardi, Byfield, Spence , Fagemo , Bjornfot even Moverare and JAD, especially when they are not worth anything have it way wrong.
They are worth something the Kings need right now players on cheap contracts.

Being apart of a very successful L1 is a breakout, the basic stats will follow,
He did what he needed to have Mac keep him there, and promote success apart from some occasional lapses.
He contributed and was solid instead of trying to be Mario Lemieux right off the bat.
 

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More in line with the fact that you will not consider any trade and will come up with any reason to disparage any potential player that will come at the cost of the rookies. Your mother hen tendencies are just consistent across the board. I don’t think I’ve even seen you propose any kind of scenario that would include moving of those assets you’re so desperate to not budge on.

You need to be realistic that your golden goose might be a dud and that trading them before they become a dud is actually a very good reason.

Were you this fussy when the Kings traded for Jeff Carter with all his character issues and health concerns? Didn’t turn out so bad now did it? People acting like Jack Eichel was going to some butcher in Cambodia bullshit.

ANY potential player? Or just Eichel and PLD?

I'm not closed off to the idea, but also generally speaking I don't like trading futures for maybes when the window isn't even open.


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I think there’s a fair argument for both sides to be frank. I think this year is the defining year as to who he is going to be. I feel like I’ve not seen much in terms of talent, skill, and the mental frailty is pretty hard to watch. Either you can trade him now and get a safe asset, and know what you get in someone like PLD. Doesn’t have to be PLD mind you. Or you can hold onto him and hope he makes a drastic change and becomes a much better player this year. For example, the Kings can get PLD and byfield can become a much better player. Then in hindsight that was the wrong move.

I see the logic behind both sides. I just don’t see much in Byfields game currently to suggest there is this mythical leap in play that people are hoping for.

But you DONT know what you get in PLD. That's part of my issue with him.

My issue w the trade is less about Byfield and more about PLD and what the myth of who he is around here is.
 

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I think the issue is the Kings had their core set with Kppitar, Doughty, Voynov being able to step in, Quick, Brown, prime Richards, etc.

Your dislike for Petersen is well-documented. And not liking that an aged Kopitar and Doughty are still at the forefront. So why do you want to go out and trade pieces for players when there's arguably bigger problems from within the org?

Timing and organizational issues are why Eichel and even the Fiala trades were bad ideas. Kings got no further along than last year even though they had more talent.

Plus, Eichel wanted to have a surgery done that was never done on a hockey player before, with his health issue.

At least, that's why I've been consistently annoying about not wanting to trade prospects.
Ignoring that part of the reason Blake may be making these moves is because he is likely given mandates from the managers above him, like make the playoffs probably.
Eichel did not win the cup or even the Connie, the team won the cup.
Fiala has 6 more seasons to determine whether or not it was a bad idea.
Thank you for admitting your comments, "'have been consistently annoying."
You just played most of the season with future HoF legend Kopitar and 40 goal Kempe, and you are 20 years old # 2 pick.
You have been told not to read hockey fan comments and social media.
You are working out with elite trainers with an eye to get bigger and really step it up next year after a brealthrough.
Lol, confidence issues are not even in Byfields bubble right now nor do I think they ever were to a great extent.
Adjustment issues yes, but your picky hard on young players coach left you on L1 to a great extent.
Byfiels feeling good in his bubble and you were never invited into it!
 
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The most likely scenario isn't ownership meddling, its just a case of plain ol' mismanagement.

I don't think there is anyone pulling strings on this group, as long as they stay within set loss limits.

They really cleaned up on Brown's night, got a handful of playoff home game's worth of revenue. Nobody on public or the local "media" is clamoring for change. Sentiment around the league was that their prospect pool was a positive.

Bottom line is that while we want a better team, there are no consequences for mediocrity here. It may take something completely out of character to happen to foster any change.
 

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I don’t think you realize how much of the Kings present and future is on his shoulders. If byfield becomes 60 percent the player Kopitar was at his age then we’ve dodged a massive bullet.
You're stressing out way too much. Lots of different paths. AVS traded 2 top 6 centers, then drafted MacKinnon. Makar & Byram were drafted high as well. 8 & 4? They bounced in & out of the playoffs & it worked out.

We've seen a bunch of top 6 centers traded in the last couple of years. It would be nice for Byfield to pan out, but there are other solutions if he doesn't.


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Ducks are completely stacked with prospects & they'll have to sign them to expensive contracts in a couple years, Zegras this year? Ducks are going to hit the cap quickly when those contracts come due. Can they pull it off or do they end up like the Oilers?
 

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Over under Kings sign one of the following:

Reaves
Lucic
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Nick Ritchie
Frederic

Or trade for Nick Seeler or Marcus Foligno.
Tough call. Blake uses the 4th line for tweeners on an ELC.. yet he also likes to have one token tough guy on the roster. So its a toss up. I really hope he takes one of those guys v McEw
 

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I love you bby, but I gotta disagree with this line of reasoning. I think there’s this indirect notion that Eichel was going off on a whim with his surgery.

Here’s the thing too. I don’t even disagree with you about the moves the Kings have made. Were the moves bad on paper, nope. But does it signal a pretty bizarre pacing to the rebuild and almost a complete abandoning of it? Yeah for sure.

Here’s the thing. I am cool with people holding out hope for Byfield. But I get this feeling that there’s this sense of antagonism towards people who don't think its worth holding out on. Let me set out my beliefs so you can understand my position.

1. I think the word and concept of "long term project" player is not a good thing. It suggests to me that a player doesn't have the ability to grow quickly enough which to me suggests an issue with said player. I am fine "long term project" players as a whole as long as they're not the player im putting all my eggs into the basket for. Or most of the eggs. I think we all know hes a long term project for better or for worse.

2. Why do I specifically not like Byfield as a player, I think I can use analogy to drive home my feeling. Statistically speaking, you're much safer driving to work if your job is 1 city away vs 3 cities away. The further and longer you drive the more prone you are to accidents. This analogy summarizes my feelings toward Byfield. I feel like if we accept "incremental growth" then the chances of him plateauing are higher than him improving to the ceiling people expect him to be. I feel if that ceiling was within him then he wouldn't need to slowly and incrementally improve. The chances are more likely that his ceiling is much lower than expected which is why he's on this extremely slow path to begin with,

3. I do want him traded yes because I do think its much more likely given his pace that he plateaus.

4. I do think the Kings have done a disservice to all the rookies by taking spots from them.

5. The Kings are looking into PLD and even Eichel at the time because I think the Kings dont know what they had in byfield. HOWEVER while I do want Byfield traded, I do think that mass firings need to happen because the Kings for sure failed the rebuild if they trade Byfield. No one should survive that. Trading him makes sense but the management needs to canned as well. Both are exclusive.


In conclusion. I actually respect your stance. I just want people to respect where people like me are coming from as well. I dont think theres a clear right or wrong choice. I think we can all agree this rebuild was and is f***ed up.
I appreciate you taking the time to explain your stance, even though I disagree with it. I'll try to address some key points, not to argue (we're both pretty set in our ways) but to provide clarity or context. Maybe ask some questions. I don't always know everything I'm going to write when I write, that's why I ramble, lol.

Some of the "antagonism" I'm sure came from me in some capacities. So, if I've been that way towards you or others, I get passionate and heated - I apologize. I know ultimately we all want the Kings to win. I can only speak from my own end, but sometimes it's frustrating to hear people write off young prospects so early. HF is a very large and popular site; it's been on Sportsnet or some channels, at least as far as graphics. So, I think of the potential of family members or maybe the players themselves reading it - granted, athletes generally have thick skin, but I just never feel great about dunking on an 18, 19, 20 year-old. I just try to exercise patience, point out aspects where a player needs to grow while also pointing out where a player HAS grown. Even with prospects/players like Zegras and Caufield, while I've been very critical of them at different times, is more geared to how I don't think they're a good fit for the Kings or just didn't want to draft them at a high position.

It's interesting how both you and Yannetti both say how much you dislike the term "project" to develop a prospect. And that's fair. I just always took it as someone who either needs to learn to put it all together or someone whose strongest skills aren't yet translatable to the NHL level yet, and will require time. For Byfield, I look at it as more of the former. But, I understand the disdain for both the term and for drafting a "project" player so high. If this was an actual rebuild, I think the pick would be better received, but I think managerial decisions are setting fan expectations to an unreasonable level.

I understand your analogy about driving through multiple cities - but I don't agree with how you're applying the ceiling. Whether the change is incremental or immediate, it doesn't change the ceiling. The ceiling will always be there; the question is how long will he be able to play at that level? It's why I'm critical of using Kempe as a "success" story. It took him 7+ years to become the player he is. He'll be 27 by the start of the season. He won't be a 30-40 goal scorer for too many more seasons. Likewise, with Byfield, if it takes him 8 seasons to become the player he can be, it just means we're likely to see his peak for a shorter period of time. Now, I agree with you that the longer it takes, there's a higher likelihood of things going wrong in the process, but Byfield's size and skillset is still a ceiling of a 1st line center. Whether he plays that role for 1 season, 15 seasons, or if he never hits it,

Ultimately I agree there needs to be some organizational changes, either in how the front office does things or just changing the front office. Yannetti and a few other people, to me, deserve more time, because we've seen them show a good body of work with the right management and direction. I just don't think Blake has shown enough to be cognizant of these needs, and Luc will enable him. So, if the hard questions aren't being asked or addressed, I just can't subscribe to any superficial moves that make the team look better on paper.
 

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Over under Kings sign one of the following:

Reaves
Lucic
Kassian
Nick Ritchie
Frederic

Or trade for Nick Seeler or Marcus Foligno.
Just trade for Seeler. Makes $900,000 and fills the exact role and type of player we need to round out the defense and protect our you and our skilled.

If Lucic would sign for league minimum in be willing to play about 50 games a year I wouldn’t hate carrying him as a 13th.
 

Johnny Utah

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Seeler on the 3rd pair D with either Spence or Clarke is perfect.

Kings can then re sign McEwen for nothing and play him occasionally otherwise Seeler can handle the business.

Seeler trains in the summer with long time Kings scout Jeremy Clarke, who owns a training and fighting gym. Big connection.
 
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The most likely scenario isn't ownership meddling, its just a case of plain ol' mismanagement.

I don't think there is anyone pulling strings on this group, as long as they stay within set loss limits.

They really cleaned up on Brown's night, got a handful of playoff home game's worth of revenue. Nobody on public or the local "media" is clamoring for change. Sentiment around the league was that their prospect pool was a positive.

Bottom line is that while we want a better team, there are no consequences for mediocrity here. It may take something completely out of character to happen to foster any change.
I believe he is told to be in the playoff every year while build a winner, it might be only on level above Blake with a French accent and his buddy the cast off from Montreal chiming in.
Or it could be from higher up because making the playoff is financial certainty with potential upside.
It maintains a decent reputation in case Phil is getting old and decides to sell.
The Vegas thing and Coachella in the AHL may be the horizon of accountability in the case of a coach and/or a GM not getting another contract.
 

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I appreciate you taking the time to explain your stance, even though I disagree with it. I'll try to address some key points, not to argue (we're both pretty set in our ways) but to provide clarity or context. Maybe ask some questions. I don't always know everything I'm going to write when I write, that's why I ramble, lol.

Some of the "antagonism" I'm sure came from me in some capacities. So, if I've been that way towards you or others, I get passionate and heated - I apologize. I know ultimately we all want the Kings to win. I can only speak from my own end, but sometimes it's frustrating to hear people write off young prospects so early. HF is a very large and popular site; it's been on Sportsnet or some channels, at least as far as graphics. So, I think of the potential of family members or maybe the players themselves reading it - granted, athletes generally have thick skin, but I just never feel great about dunking on an 18, 19, 20 year-old. I just try to exercise patience, point out aspects where a player needs to grow while also pointing out where a player HAS grown. Even with prospects/players like Zegras and Caufield, while I've been very critical of them at different times, is more geared to how I don't think they're a good fit for the Kings or just didn't want to draft them at a high position.

It's interesting how both you and Yannetti both say how much you dislike the term "project" to develop a prospect. And that's fair. I just always took it as someone who either needs to learn to put it all together or someone whose strongest skills aren't yet translatable to the NHL level yet, and will require time. For Byfield, I look at it as more of the former. But, I understand the disdain for both the term and for drafting a "project" player so high. If this was an actual rebuild, I think the pick would be better received, but I think managerial decisions are setting fan expectations to an unreasonable level.

I understand your analogy about driving through multiple cities - but I don't agree with how you're applying the ceiling. Whether the change is incremental or immediate, it doesn't change the ceiling. The ceiling will always be there; the question is how long will he be able to play at that level? It's why I'm critical of using Kempe as a "success" story. It took him 7+ years to become the player he is. He'll be 27 by the start of the season. He won't be a 30-40 goal scorer for too many more seasons. Likewise, with Byfield, if it takes him 8 seasons to become the player he can be, it just means we're likely to see his peak for a shorter period of time. Now, I agree with you that the longer it takes, there's a higher likelihood of things going wrong in the process, but Byfield's size and skillset is still a ceiling of a 1st line center. Whether he plays that role for 1 season, 15 seasons, or if he never hits it,

Ultimately I agree there needs to be some organizational changes, either in how the front office does things or just changing the front office. Yannetti and a few other people, to me, deserve more time, because we've seen them show a good body of work with the right management and direction. I just don't think Blake has shown enough to be cognizant of these needs, and Luc will enable him. So, if the hard questions aren't being asked or addressed, I just can't subscribe to any superficial moves that make the team look better on paper.
 
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