Speculation: LA Kings Offseason Thread

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johnjm22

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Vilardi could turn out to be the better overall player. Dubois is the better center.

King's can keep a bunch of their 4 million dollar wings. This blocks the youth & ties up cap so Lizotte is the 3C.

Next best option at C is probably JT Compher. He's a ufa & will be cheaper than Dubois, but still not cheap & cap will need to be dumped.

Not a lot of good options out there. King's don't have a way to fill the 3C that will hold up in the playoffs.
The other option is letting QB be the 3C, and if it doesn't work you can try acquiring a 3C at the deadline with a prorated cap hit.

There's a few interesting names on the UFA market other than Compher.

The only way trading for PLD works for LA IMO is if it's one of those quantity for quality type deals. 1st + Arvidsson+ Kaliyev + Grundstrom for example. But does that work for Winnipeg?

Another thing to consider is the Jets need Right Defensemen. We do have excess there. I would hate losing Roy though and I think Winnipeg wants a big physical RD.
 

King'sPawn

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This is an interesting article talking about some of the Kings directional decisions.
 

SettlementRichie10

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This is an interesting article talking about some of the Kings directional decisions.

This is why I remain skeptical of Blake.

The list of GMs who have successfully competed for a championship while simultaneously drafting and developing a new generation of talent is very, very short. The Red Wings were basically the last team to successfully do this by going from the Yzerman era to the Datsyuk era. And only because they were so ahead of the game with scouting European players.

Anyway, Blake is not that guy.
 
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Why does PLD want to come to LA? Is it because he feels LA is headed in the right direction or because of the beach life?
 
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Easy pass for me. This also sounds like Button is just speculating
Just on HF/Kings, we all know Blake is in a corner with the cap and 6 years of no real success in the playoffs and a string of bad drafts/development.

Why wouldn’t the Jets drive up the price for a desperate GM? Not only desperate but clueless, we have no need for PLD. Blake for whatever reason is adamant about building blocks from anywhere but around and in net.

The Kings gave up 16 goals in 3 games to the Oilers, and blowing game 6. The answer is PLD?

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Herby

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Craig Button claiming the ask for PLD starts with Byfield and goes up from there. I'd pass.



The issue continues to be the Kings are in year 3 of their 3-5 year window to compete and have gotten alltime bad production from Byfield. Even if people are optimistic that Byfield will pull a Vilardi or Kempe, does that really help with this window if Byfield becomes a 60 point winger at age 23-24 when Kopitar is nearing 40 and Drew is 36-37?

Winnipeg knows they have a desperate Kings team and they have an asset that rarely becomes available (a 25 year old center with multiple seasons playing at a pretty high level)

This is yet another reason that on-the-fly rebuilds where you want your cake and want to eat it to rarely work. You have to commit to one thing or the other. The Kings have not been able to do that.
 

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Even if people are optimistic that Byfield will pull a Vilardi or Kempe, does that really help with this window if Byfield becomes a 60 point winger at age 23-24 when Kopitar is nearing 40 and Drew is 36-37?
Not saying this is going to happen... It looks pretty unlikely/crazy at this point... But I think the people who are still high on Byfield aren't hoping he becomes a 60 point winger, they're hoping he still becomes an 80+ point 1st line center.

Which absolutely does help the window.

Personally, I do think he still has a shot... I think he has the tools and is still young enough to put it all together. But I'll admit it might be a LONG shot and therefore don't blame people who aren't holding their breath for that to happen / maybe don't even believe it's possible.

I also agree that Blake's job is likely pretty dependent on Byfield. If Byfield booms, Blake is probably pretty safe. If not, the seat gets hotter / they should probably show him the door.

But speaking as a #ByfieldBeliever, that's the hope. The hope is he has a breakout season next year and becomes a 50-60 point player. If he's a 50-60 point player as a 21 year old, the idea that he could become a first line center becomes a lot more realistic.

Byfield's ceiling is clearly a very polarizing subject amongst Kings fans. Some still believe he can be a star center who can produce over a point per game in his prime. Others believe his ceiling is now likely just solid middle 6 center or decent top 6 winger.

We really don't know who's right and depending on how you look at it, both viewpoints can seem a little crazy. Am I crazy for still believing in the guy's potential? Are you crazy for writing off a 20 year old player? In reality, we're all a little crazy. Time will tell who ends up being 'right' but in the end we're all just guessing/hoping.
 
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Not saying this is going to happen... It looks pretty unlikely/crazy at this point... But I think the people who are still high on Byfield aren't hoping he becomes a 60 point winger, they're hoping he still becomes an 80+ point 1st line center.

Which absolutely does help the window.

Personally, I do think he still has a shot... I think he has the tools and is still young enough to put it all together. But I'll admit it might be a LONG shot and therefore don't blame people who aren't holding their breath for that to happen / maybe don't even believe it's possible.

I also agree that Blake's job is likely pretty dependent on Byfield. If Byfield booms, Blake is probably pretty safe. If not, the seat gets hotter / they should probably show him the door.

But speaking as a #ByfieldBeliever, that's the hope. The hope is he has a breakout season next year and becomes a 50-60 point player. If he's a 50-60 point player as a 21 year old, the idea that he could become a first line center becomes a lot more realistic.

Byfield's ceiling is clearly a very polarizing subject amongst Kings fans. Some still believe he can be a star center who can produce over a point per game in his prime. Others believe his ceiling is now likely just solid middle 6 center or decent top 6 winger.

We really don't know who's right and depending on how you look at it, both viewpoints can seem a little crazy. Am I crazy for still believing in the guy's potential? Are you crazy for writing off a 20 year old player? In reality, we're all a little crazy. Time will tell who ends up being 'right' but in the end we're all just guessing/hoping.
Kempe had an amazing 2G + 4A = 6pts at 20 years of age with the Kings....We should of traded that bum.

It will be an absolute disregard for development if a Fiala- Byfield - Vilardi line is not used this year.
 

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Why on earth would they do that?

Its a net loss of goals and a huge blow to the tenacity that has defined the Kings game over the past few years.
What if Kings are not sure about Vilardi long term health and have no need for Durzi and Moore?
 

KopitarGOAT420

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If Kings will trade Vilardi, Durzi and Moore for PLD it will work money wise.
There are definitely ways to make it work.

But should they do what is needed to make it work. And does 'making it work' lead to a worse cap situation than they're already in? Does giving up Vilardi, Moore, and Durzi for PLD make the team better or worse overall?

There's certainly a conversation to be had there, but I think most Kings fans are arriving at the conclusion that it's probably not worth it.
 

Sol

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It will be the same old deal until Byfield busts or makes it. And we will torment ourselves with what-ifs all along the way :P What if Byfield becomes that 1st line center for free? Or what if we had traded him before he busted for literally anything? :P Honestly, if we were going to trade him, a target like Eichel would have been more ideal. I don't know if PLD is the move now.
That’s why I think this situation is a double edged sword. The Kings should have traded byfield if Eichel was on the table but now Byfield value has plummeted to the point he might not pull PLD alone. With the way the Kings are going and how slow Byfield is developing, I wouldn’t be surprised if Byfield has become available for any form of upgrade at center. He can become a Vilardi or he can become another bust. He’s leaning towards the second with his extremely slow progression.

I can see the Kings shedding cap, trading for picks, and getting PLD. I’m not high on PLD but he does make sense. Big, tenacity, center, and much more productive than Byfield. I can see the Kings doing what they can to get a contingency plan for when Kopitar is gone because they legit don’t have any other option.
 
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tigermask48

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Good lord, can you imagine a scenario where the Kings go through this little re-build, where at one point they had the top prospect pool in the NHL and at the end, the only longterm Kings players are Rasmus Kupari and Carl Grundstrom? :facepalm:
Cause that's where all this PLD nonsense is taking the Kings.
 

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Your hypothetical trade comes down to Vilardi, Durzi, Moore for PLD and then whoever the replacement guys are, and it’s most likely Clarke and Kaliyev.

Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Kaliyev - PLD - Fiala
Iafallo - Danault - Arvidsson
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Kupari

Anderson - Doughty
Gavrikov - Roy
??? - Clarke

This team is strong down the middle and pretty good on the wings.

It’s just unrealistic to expect the Kings to win a SC with Kopitar- Danault- Lizotte.
 
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Johnny Utah

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Fagemo-Kopitar-Kempe
Moore-Danault-Arvidsson
Fiala-Byfield-Vilardi
Iafallo-Lizotte-Kupari
JAD, Grundstrom, McEwen, Kayilev

Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Roy
Bjornfot-Durzi

This is how the Kings stack up right if they qualify all their RFA's and don't put Fagemo or Bjornfot on waivers or sent Byfield or Kayilev to the AHL.

Not great IMO.

Fourth line is terrible, you have AI playing in a place he shouldn't be and the bottom pair D is horrible.
 

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Fagemo-Kopitar-Kempe
Moore-Danault-Arvidsson
Fiala-Byfield-Vilardi
Iafallo-Lizotte-Kupari
JAD, Grundstrom, McEwen, Kayilev

Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Roy
Bjornfot-Durzi

This is how the Kings stack up right if they qualify all their RFA's and don't put Fagemo or Bjornfot on waivers or sent Byfield or Kayilev to the AHL.

Not great IMO.

Fourth line is terrible, you have AI playing in a place he shouldn't be and the bottom pair D is horrible.
I dont think that team is even possible to fit under the cap. At least durzi grundstrom or lizotte will have to be moved to get a bare minimum 1.5 million dollar goalie.
 
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