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I’m more concerned about the salary. I’m all for resigning him - if it’s like $5M/year. Kopi at say 5M as a 2-3rd line (3rd more likely) center is good. 7-10M+….nope, not interested. He’s going to decline further and this year won’t be indicative of future results.
Or put Vilardi there with QB on top line LW which had some nice games. I think Moore is out of his depth in a top line role.
johnjm22
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UFA'S LISTED AS CENTERS:
| PLAYER | AGE | POS | GP | G | A | PTS | P/G | TOI |
| 1. David Krejci | 37 | C | 70 | 16 | 40 | 56 | 0.8 | 17:11 |
| 2. Patrice Bergeron | 37 | C | 78 | 27 | 31 | 58 | 0.74 | 17:23 |
| 3. Max Domi | 28 | C, LW | 80 | 20 | 36 | 56 | 0.7 | 17:46 |
| 4. Sean Monahan | 28 | C, LW, RW | 25 | 6 | 11 | 17 | 0.68 | 17:22 |
| 5. J.T. Compher | 28 | C, RW | 82 | 17 | 35 | 52 | 0.63 | 20:32 |
| 6. Jonathan Toews | 35 | C | 53 | 15 | 16 | 31 | 0.58 | 17:42 |
| 7. Ryan O'Reilly | 32 | C | 53 | 16 | 14 | 30 | 0.57 | 17:56 |
| 8. Evan Rodrigues | 29 | C, LW | 69 | 16 | 23 | 39 | 0.57 | 17:51 |
| 9. Erik Haula | 32 | C, LW | 80 | 14 | 27 | 41 | 0.51 | 16:37 |
| 10. Jonathan Drouin | 28 | C, LW | 58 | 2 | 27 | 29 | 0.5 | 14:54 |
| 11. Alex Belzile | 31 | C, RW | 31 | 6 | 8 | 14 | 0.45 | 12:08 |
| 12. Jordan Staal | 34 | C, LW | 81 | 17 | 17 | 34 | 0.42 | 16:16 |
| 13. Eric Staal | 38 | C | 72 | 14 | 15 | 29 | 0.4 | 14:14 |
| 14. Nick Bjugstad | 30 | C, RW | 78 | 17 | 12 | 29 | 0.37 | 16:12 |
| 15. Derick Brassard | 35 | C, LW | 62 | 13 | 10 | 23 | 0.37 | 12:10 |
| 16. David Kämpf | 28 | C | 82 | 7 | 20 | 27 | 0.33 | 15:18 |
| 17. Nick Bonino | 35 | C, LW | 62 | 10 | 9 | 19 | 0.31 | 15:54 |
| 18. Pius Suter | 27 | C, LW | 79 | 14 | 10 | 24 | 0.3 | 14:03 |
| 19. Paul Stastny | 37 | C, LW | 73 | 9 | 13 | 22 | 0.3 | 11:52 |
| 20. Noel Acciari | 31 | C, RW | 77 | 14 | 9 | 23 | 0.3 | 14:18 |
| 21. Chris Tierney | 29 | C | 36 | 3 | 7 | 10 | 0.28 | 10:51 |
| 22. Lars Eller | 34 | C | 84 | 10 | 13 | 23 | 0.27 | 14:47 |
| 23. Tomas Nosek | 30 | C, LW | 66 | 7 | 11 | 18 | 0.27 | 12:33 |
| 24. Teddy Blueger | 28 | C, LW | 63 | 4 | 12 | 16 | 0.25 | 12:54 |
| 25. Lane Pederson | 25 | C | 27 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 0.22 | 11:55 |
| 26. Patrick Brown | 31 | C, RW | 61 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 0.2 | 11:22 |
| 27. Pierre-Édouard Bellemare | 38 | C, LW | 73 | 4 | 9 | 13 | 0.18 | 11:16 |
| 28. Derek Stepan | 33 | C, RW | 73 | 5 | 6 | 11 | 0.15 | 9:04 |
| 29. Jayson Megna | 33 | C, LW, RW | 55 | 2 | 6 | 8 | 0.15 | 10:00 |
| 30. Luke Glendening | 34 | C, RW, LW | 70 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 0.09 | 12:03 |
| 31. Darren Helm | 36 | C, LW, RW | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9:00 |
bland
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Its not because of the quality of his play, that will always be respectable. He needs to move on for the sake of the team. The shadow of those Cup teams will always be cast long over the team until they move on and allow new players to forge their own identity instead of constantly being measured up to fit into something that was extremely good but extremely short lived a decade ago.
Long story short, the team is screwing up its present AND future in favor of living in the past.
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I really dislike that idea. His development has been such a rocky road, things finally start to click for him at wing, and we're going to throw him back to center where he was struggling?
I think it's pretty clear he's more suited to wing. His skating and stamina are his weak points. That's not good for a center who has to cover more of the ice.
I get your point but i thought he played a few games back at center and did not look out of place either.
I like him back at center better than Moore on the top line, but there are probably other ways around each problem.
I never really considered the possibility that Kopitar would retire already, he's still got a lot of hockey left in him. Even though he's not the player he was, he's still arguably the best player on the team and a declining Kopitar with a lower cap hit would certainly be an important piece for a couple more years.
Not sure where to go if he does retire. The question is, would they be better off trying to replace him or going back to a full rebuild? Though knowing this ownership/management there's no way they'll go for the rebuild route unless they completely fall on their face again.
Not sure where to go if he does retire. The question is, would they be better off trying to replace him or going back to a full rebuild? Though knowing this ownership/management there's no way they'll go for the rebuild route unless they completely fall on their face again.
johnjm22
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With Kempe's development, I think Iaffalo/Moore are fine on the top line because they're well rounded complimentary players. The don't need to be scorers because that's Kempe's job.
When the top line was clicking with Byfield, QB was actually playing a somewhat similar game to Moore; playing with energy/speed, retrieving loose pucks, gaining possession and getting it to linemates.
QB's Goals Above Expected were chronically low during that time, just like Moore's always is. That's an indicator of them playing a similar role.
So my point is let Iaffalo/Moore do that, and let QB develop as a C with quality wingers around him.
If Kopitar retires and Byfield still isnt ready you’ll see Blake, or whomever the new GM is, opening that pocket book big time for Matthews or PLD. Can’t go into 2 seasons from now with Danault as the 1C.
So I hope you like Matthews at 14x7 or PLD at 10x7. Cause their agents would have the Kings over a barrel.
So I hope you like Matthews at 14x7 or PLD at 10x7. Cause their agents would have the Kings over a barrel.
I agree. Blake would be taking a huge risk waiting to see if Byfield can indeed follow Kopitar as the team's #1C. Big first line centers come along so infrequently that if PLD is available then Blake has to inquire. I could see Vilardi as the centerpiece of the return especially if contract negotiations are not going well.
I'd bet anything that it's not data driven. I can't think of too many players who were 25 years old when they finally made an impact. At least not ones that make a big impact for a long time. Unless they're defining impact differently than I would.
johnjm22
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If Kopitar retires, and Byfield busts, I think you just go into full on rebuild mode. You'd have plenty of highly value able assets to trade to kick start the rebuild.
Ziggy Stardust
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I can name a few who belong on one team. You might've heard of them...
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They play varying roles, but they all have an impact on a team that's about to win the Stanley Cup.
I think he said something about the numbers showing it. I agree with you though and do not like the half decade ahl and bottom six grinder development method.
SaltyElkHunter
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I think we see Durzi and Arvidson moved at the draft for picks.
Low 1st for Arvidson and our 3rd.
Mid 2nd for Durzi.
some team will have their guy off the board or and will be willing to make the move.
Low 1st for Arvidson and our 3rd.
Mid 2nd for Durzi.
some team will have their guy off the board or and will be willing to make the move.
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or moves down the depth chart on a series of 1 year cap friendly deals
I know this is a pretty hot/unrealistic take.... But I could see Kopitar signing something like a 3 year, $3 million AAV contract after next season.
The guy is one of the classiest, most salt of the earth guys in the NHL. He's from a small town in Slovenia and will have already made well over $100 million in his career by the time his contract expires. He's been in LA his whole career and has set up his family with a really great life here. Genuinely seems to really love this city/organization. I'm sure he doesn't want to up-root his family and wants to play another couple years / have another shot at a cup.
I definitely won't hold it against him if he doesn't accept a contract like that and wants to try to secure as much money as possible for him and his family. But at this point in his career it also wouldn't surprise me if he is willing to sign something really team friendly that allows him to finish out his career in LA while also giving the Kings some cap room to work with so the team is as competitive as possible. Andddd while also making himself another $9 million lol. Everyone wins.
Then yeah, he slides down the lineup and ends up as a 2nd or 3rd line center or potentially moving to wing.
The guy is one of the classiest, most salt of the earth guys in the NHL. He's from a small town in Slovenia and will have already made well over $100 million in his career by the time his contract expires. He's been in LA his whole career and has set up his family with a really great life here. Genuinely seems to really love this city/organization. I'm sure he doesn't want to up-root his family and wants to play another couple years / have another shot at a cup.
I definitely won't hold it against him if he doesn't accept a contract like that and wants to try to secure as much money as possible for him and his family. But at this point in his career it also wouldn't surprise me if he is willing to sign something really team friendly that allows him to finish out his career in LA while also giving the Kings some cap room to work with so the team is as competitive as possible. Andddd while also making himself another $9 million lol. Everyone wins.
Then yeah, he slides down the lineup and ends up as a 2nd or 3rd line center or potentially moving to wing.
SettlementRichie10
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Iafallo and Turcotte have zero value around the league.
Durzi may have some value for the right buyer due to his offensive upside.
Nevertheless Iafallo, Turcotte, and Durzi are not landing PLD.
Iafallo, Durzi, and a pick are turning into our modern day Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd.
Durzi may have some value for the right buyer due to his offensive upside.
Nevertheless Iafallo, Turcotte, and Durzi are not landing PLD.
Iafallo, Durzi, and a pick are turning into our modern day Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd.
Let me be more specific by what I was talking about. I'm speaking about the blue chip prospect types. I think everyone understands that, generally, someone taken in the 3rd or 4th round take a few more years if they're ever going to hit. No one is thinking a guy you take in the Top 5 or 10 is going to take 7 years to be an impact player.I can name a few who belong on one team. You might've heard of them...
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They play varying roles, but they all have an impact on a team that's about to win the Stanley Cup.
That said, I don't consider 20-30 point Centers or Wingers to be "impact" players. They may have an impact in a game or in a series, but they aren't guys you'd refer to as "impact" guys if the Kings signed them during free agency.
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How could Blake have known?
Rosen is the only person involved in Kings media that actually will discuss this stuff, everyone else is to afraid to even bring the massive struggles of Byfield into their various programs. The closest you get is the Mayor saying that QB has to stay at C because he's the last hope of a 1C (which is true). And ofcourse Rosen gets criticized on messageboards for daring to actually talk about the reality of the situation, especially when it comes to Byfield and Turcotte. I guess some people would just rather read Pravda.
The Kings have a very small window to compete, if QB were to be moved it would be for an asset able to contribute significantly with Kopitar and Doughty for 1-3 seasons.
This is what Chicago did, they traded Kane and told Toews they weren't bringing him back because it's impossible to turn the page while still clinging to memories of years past. It's going to be really difficult to win a Stanley Cup with Doughty and Kopitar as the best players on the team, it's 2023 not 2014.
That is one smart thing Blake has done, when the window closes in a couple of years they will be able to restock draft capital very well on guys like Fiala and Kempe.
This is so bogus, making the the team and being an impact player are not always the same thing. But not surprising the group that believes only McDavid types can jump straight to the NHL.
How can a guy like Mark Yanetti who actually works for an NHL team be this ignorant to what is going with young players in the league?
Do these guys even watch the NHL, or are they exclusively watching young players?
And guys like this are who people like Axl think need to have some extraordinary qualification to do their jobs, like they are brain surgeons or rocket scientists.
How is Byfield a perfect piece for the Kings right now?
The Kings are a team trying to win a Stanley Cup in a 1-3 year window before their 2 best players fall off a cliff and he has for the most part been a non-factor in three years since being drafted #2 overall.
And his trade proposal wasn't awful value wise and wasn't similar to your counter proposal.. Where Columbus picks next year could result in a much better prospect than QB or one similarly ranked. The only way you think that's not the case is if you think Columbus is a SC caliber team next season.
LA trading QB to Columbus would likely net them a 1-10 pick for a player who has struggled pretty mightily in 2 NHL seasons. Columbus trading Johnson to LA would likely net them a 20- 30 pick for a player who had 15-25-40 as a 20 year old NHL rookie.
That right f***en there is the real problem!
This guys runs his top players into the ground and yet has the balls to punish younger players he puts in shitty situations for making mistakes they absolutely need to make in order to grow.
Go look and the TOI for Vegas and you’ll see why those guys run all game long.. the usage of Kopi is ridiculous but will continue again next season
Ziggy Stardust
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In terms of first round picks, sure, but I had role players like Lewis and Clifford in mind who were fairly early selections as mid 1st and early 2nd round picks who did play pretty important roles on Cup winning teams. You still need those types in addition to the big point producers.
That said, Byfield should be looked upon at a higher standard, as should Turcotte, but at this point, I'd be happy if Turcotte even turned out to be another Trevor Lewis, but even that's doubtful.
i think Iafallo does have value around the league. not PLD value but value
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