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I do think it’s evidently clear that theyre worried about the Byfield problem. There’s no other reason to pursue PLD
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SaltyElkHunter
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Hahahahaha man that press jacket really made an impression on you. Lol.
wish LA had the cap space to help the Wild out at the price of Wallstedt
Ziggy Stardust
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Who really knows what they're thinking. They've been liked to Pierre-Luc Dubois, Tom Wilson, Connor Hellebuyck, Thatcher Demko, Juuse Saros...
Lol I mean idk man..... That's what I'd do if I had already made over $120 million dollars in the last 20 years and already had my family comfortably set up in one place and genuinely wanted to win another cup.
Get nearly $10 million more out of it while also helping the organization out a bit.
But you definitely could be right lol, I for sure could be dreaming
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FSL KINGS
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on one hand it is awesome to be in included in the names, on the other it seems like this team is not ready for that
Herby
How could Blake have known?
The real frustrating thing is it would be two poor evaluations of Byfield, one after the draft and one with a season in the organization. Eichel was a unique player (a true #1C) that was available and the Kings chose not to pursue him, believing they had their future 1C in house already.
The Kings would not be pursuing PLD if Byfield were what he was expected to be by now. You think they'd be pursuing a C if they had Kopitar/QB/Danault as a dominant 1-2-3 down the middle?
bland
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Me too.
If anything, the best thing for Vilardi would be to assign him hundreds of hours of Corey Perry footage for summer homework. Vilardi could grow into an outstanding winger if handled properly. No more tinkering.
BigKing
Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
First time I can remember that I'm not on here every day as we head into the offseason...that's usually an August thing but I have zero faith in Blake and Vegas is about to win the Cup.
Depressing times, man!
Depressing times, man!
The answer to this question depends entirely on how you view the player.
If you still believe Byfield has good potential (lets just say the potential to be a good top 6 forward) then it makes a lot of sense why Byfield is a pretty perfect piece for the Kings right now and the timeline they're looking at.
If not, and you have already decided he's never going to be anything more than a 3rd liner, then yeah obviously you're not going to really think there's a fit.
Admittedly, we don't know what the next year or two is going to look like for QB. Does he explode and become an excellent player? Or does he continue to underwhelm and end up more/less a bust? Both are possible outcomes at this point.
As a hypothetical let's just say he does turn into even just a 50-60+ point player next year. That's of course really perfect for the Kings. He'd be a key contributor on an ELC - exactly what teams trying to compete for a stanley cup need with today's cap situation. You would (again, in this hypothetical) begin to see a player start to emerge at 21 years old that you can potentially try to build around - Right at the time your 35+ aging franchise center is becoming a UFA.
Now Herby I know you're not the biggest #byfieldbeliever and that's OK... Just throwing out the hypothetical scenario that shows how he could potentially be a perfect piece for the Kings.
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It was actually a much longer and nuanced discussion on the podcast. I'm pretty sure he spent a good 7-10 minutes talking about this stuff (though maybe that was my sleep aid kicking in).
Yannetti said they project players 7 years out with their analytics. The higher the pick is, the earlier that impact is seen. He acknowledges there are other ways to do it, but again, pointed out how they do it slower for better or worse.
It can also come much faster than 5 years.
Like with Clarke, he said he was NHL ready last year (contrary to Surf Nutz's assertion). Unfortunately, there was no follow up specifically why he was sent to the CHL, but my complete guess is that decision wasn't his.
With Byfield, they'd like to see more and think it's fair to expect that. But he also feels he's on track, because even if the points aren't there, he's doing the little things right and he's one of the players who best improved Kopitar's line.
It really is worth a listen if you haven't heard it yet. It's a 2-hour episode but I'm sure Yannetti talked for a good 1.5 hours of it. I think a summary or paraphrasing may cause some misunderstandings (all due respect to Schmooley, who did a great job, but barring a typed transcript, there are a lot of factors.
WHOneedsSOX
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Just some of the names the Kings have acquired the last 10ish years are incredible even if they didn't work out. Who would've ever thought Iginla, Kovalchuk, or Lecavalier would be wearing a Kings jersey. Obviously those 3 specifically were towards the end of their careers.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I guess one good thing is that Blake has SOME flexibility right now to do whatever he wants to the roster with picks and prospects. The only problem is I disagree with him on everything.
But
PLD is not an answer. He's a 2C or low-end 1C and a moody malcontent. While a Byfield trade would make 'sense' (enigmatic big guy high pick for a further along enigmatic big guy high pick with character concerns) you're tossing possible upside for a 'sure thing' 2C for one solitary year.
Byfield is at worst an ELC roster body they need him, and he's the only POSSIBLE current apparent
answer long-term at 1C. They can't trade him. But if they do, they're signing themselves up for a one year last breath shot at the Cup. I might be okay with that too since it would signal Blake and the house with him is a goner soon.
But
PLD is not an answer. He's a 2C or low-end 1C and a moody malcontent. While a Byfield trade would make 'sense' (enigmatic big guy high pick for a further along enigmatic big guy high pick with character concerns) you're tossing possible upside for a 'sure thing' 2C for one solitary year.
Byfield is at worst an ELC roster body they need him, and he's the only POSSIBLE current apparent
answer long-term at 1C. They can't trade him. But if they do, they're signing themselves up for a one year last breath shot at the Cup. I might be okay with that too since it would signal Blake and the house with him is a goner soon.
KingsOfCali25
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I listened and it was great insight to the draft and prospect development. Saying they project the prospects to be making the NHL in 5 years time and fully contributing in years 6 and 7. Saying Toffoli, Kempe and Vilardi were perfect examples and were right on track. Saying Kupari is not as good scorer as Kempe but he is in that same mold/path and these next 2 year are critical. He said there have been prospects that they brought up too early and that has hurt their development. Saying they aren't that worried about the goalie pipeline because it's the easiest to fix and it doesn't have to be done by drafting. Talking about how Jack Hughes needs to get bigger as he looks 15 but is 19 and that he should have played longer in the USHL before jumping to college and that hurts his development. He'll have a longer path to the NHL than others in his draft class but has to be signed sooner because he is already a junior in college. Saying they don't draft for need and when they tried it bit them in the ass.
It's a great listen if anyone has an 1 hour.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Just a quick point: It wouldn't be one year with PLD. He's an RFA this year. You'd be getting him locked into a long-term contract if you were making that trade.
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FSL KINGS
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From a cap point of view, it almost had to be Vilardi. Depends on his contract. How cheap of a bridge deal will he go for?
Surf Nutz
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Well sure. But it's not going to be a one year deal. I mean, the Kings aren't going to make that trade even IF Blake is out of his mind trying to save his job.
Sol
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Center, toughness, goaltending. All positions of weakness. Seems like they’re planning on the increasing likelihood that Byfield is a flop.
I genuinely really don't think so (and of course hope not). I think they see Clarke as a clear exception to the whole 5 year to make the NHL projection.
Yannetti was gushing about Clarke in the interview. Said at last years development camp it was Brandt Clarke as easily the best player on the ice, then a MASSIVE gap, then Byfield, then another MASSIVE gap, then a group of a couple guys.
He also talked about how NHLers were immediately asking questions along the "holy sh*t who the hell is this kid???" lines.
He's special. And thankfully, everyone seems to know it.
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Sol
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That’s kinda the thing. There’s nothing in Blake’s actions that shows willingness to be patient. Byfields inability to make big strides is the only reason the Kings are looking at PLD. I’m personally fine with that trade as you know why. But also yes it will definitely signal the end of Blake’s regime. No way he’d survive by abandoning the rebuild and the sacrifices he made with the kids don’t pan out to anything big.
He’s taking a big swing. Is he gonna hit it big or miss it wide. I am sure it’s a miss wide but I think that’s also because he know he’s on the tightrope.
Byfield is definitely available imo.
The article above me is honestly not Austin’s best work because the Kings do need another forward that can play wing and center. It gives them flexibility for the next season.
Blake wouldn’t sell assets like crazy to obtain Korpisalo And Gavrikov. It’s clear he wants to take a run with this team. While byfield might end up becoming a good player his snails pace growth is working against him.
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