You would? Well I guess the first thing to do would be to try and understand the game in the modern era....that would be the first thing....
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You would? Well I guess the first thing to do would be to try and understand the game in the modern era....that would be the first thing....
Raccoon Jesus
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Dont worry, PLD isn't fighting anyone
He'll have 10x the number of boarding PIMs as fighting PIMs
What's modern hockey?
Ryan Reaves was one of the first free agent signings.
Vegas beat Edmonton because Petro, McNabb and Hague punished the Oilers forward.
Matthew Tkachuk basically caried Florida into a playoff spot and to the finals. Gudas was one of the important players...
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Can we stop with this Pietrangelo is physically imposing myth?
He's just awesome at hockey, but he's no more physically 'scary' than Drew. They won because they had BETTER big players, not just raw beef flying around doing nothing.
He's just awesome at hockey, but he's no more physically 'scary' than Drew. They won because they had BETTER big players, not just raw beef flying around doing nothing.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
I think his $2.1M less in salary makes the surplus over Doughty apparent. Same age. Same cups. Same contract expiration date.
Yea....that just says a lot...there's no use continuing on this one, you clearly don't think the game
Petro was nasty in the Oilers series. He was slashing and bullying guys out there. Not how he normally plays, but he was on one.
You ever played hockey? Ever been in a fight?
I'll make it easier - how does it feel when you walk into a rowdy bar with a friend who is 6'-4" 225 lbs or even a smaller friend who is willing to get into it rather than a bunch of softies...
Sol
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Oh god don’t ask about GBHs NHL 2007 Be a Goalie mode career.
His entire ego comes from the fact he’s played beer league goaltending.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Hey, I'll join you at the front of the line ragging on the Kings' team toughness as one of their biggest weaknesses.
Did Pietro step up his physicality to match those around him? Absolutely. I want every King to do that. But let's not pretend Vegas won because people were scared of AP.
Tkachuk had nearly 110 points in the regular season and 24 in 20 games in the playoffs--his physicality helped drive his team too but again he was simply an unstoppable player from a production standpoint too.
The point is you can't just have a bunch of slugs out there and pretend it changes everything. How did the Wild do with Reaves? How did Boston do with Frederic? Isles with Cizikas, martin, Clutterbuck? Wilson and the Caps didn't even go. EVERYONE has to pull into the fight, one fourth liner isn't going to change the whole complexion of the team into a championship one even if it makes them feel a little better. That's the current flaw with this roster that couldn't be fixed with even your favorite pugilist signing. They're gutless as a whole. Unless you're signing Reaves to run around punking people pre-game in our own locker room, then i'm all for it.
with fighting down would not surprise me if this was already the case for half the league
bland
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They could put prime Basil McRae on their left and he wouldn't get as many dumb PIMs as PLD or Fiala.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
and Kempe
PK is def gonna get some work this season
I like aggressive even stupid penalties sometimes but these might be the three worst in the league for it
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I don’t associate with people who fight in bars, so I wouldn’t know.
But this is a hockey forum, you have used this example before and I still don’t see how it’s relevant.
Before the playoffs started you were hyping the toughness of Minnesota and Winnipeg. How did those teams do in the playoffs?
BigKing
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King'sPawn
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I don't go to bars (for a variety of reasons - mostly that I never really acquired a taste for alcohol but also I have some health issues where I try to minimize exposure to large groups of people), but there's definitely merit to what JU is saying.
While I never experienced anything like that at a bar, I used to work graveyard shift at a store open 24 hours. It wasn't anything big like Walmart or Target - only 2 or 3 people at most working through the night.
With it being at night, we'd get some people who would at times be unruly. I can recount multiple times when someone would let me know they have a gun, not because they wanted to rob us. But because they weren't getting their way and would (not so subtly) try to escalate. So, you can imagine there would often be times, over the years, when people undoubtedly act unruly.
Now, about me - as much as I'm a dick to people on these boards (though I mostly try not to be - there are only a few people I intentionally act that way towards), I'm a total wuss in person. I was the kind of kid who would get bullied and it took me way too long to stand up for myself. I bring this up to let you know that I am not the kind to actually go out and find trouble.
Anyway, having a manager/lead who was assertive enough to get in the face of an unruly person was definitely empowering. I, in turn, felt more confident to assert myself with people when they were unruly, especially knowing they were working the same shift as me. When I had other leads who would hide or lie and say "David's the boss" because they didn't want to deal with it, it was incredibly deflating.
The point I'm making is that it doesn't even have to involve fighting or violence. Having people asserting themselves or imposing their will against people who are threatening you empowers you into feeling more comfortable taking matters into their own hands.
I'm afraid of making this reference because of the negative connotation, but it fosters a mob mentality. Because someone is willing to "break the ice" and rile people up into action when something is wrong.
Now, do you need an enforcer to accomplish this? No. But if you have multiple players assertive enough to impose their will and challenge the opposition, it is more likely to empower other players to do the same.
Just take Kopitar fighting Burrows in 2012 for example.
100% get it, but you have that with Danault, Kempe, Moore, Had it with Durzi, Anderson for sure, Roy, sometimes, etc...
The point is, enforcers who can't play are gone, enforcers who can play, are RARE, in this post, you are talking about team toughness.....but even as a whole, the league is moving away from mob mentality you hit our guy we hit yours etc...that's league wide....
The whole crop of new kids are now from the no fighting, barely hitting, leagues growing up playing the game that way....that mentality has been lost in the sport
Ziggy Stardust
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The Kings have a new enforcer wearing #55, and it's not Troy Crowder.
bmr
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Gotta agree here - it's more about team toughness. Remember when the Kings lost to Montreal in the Cup Finals and then they turned the team into a bunch of tough guys/goons? How did that work out?
The Kings had the 5th least fighting majors.
The teams below them ALL added toughness either at the end of the season or this summer.
Detroit, Carolina, Buffalo and Pittsburgh.
I fear a Kings line up with Bjornfot on the bottom pair with either Spence or Clarke. It will be sad.
The teams below them ALL added toughness either at the end of the season or this summer.
Detroit, Carolina, Buffalo and Pittsburgh.
I fear a Kings line up with Bjornfot on the bottom pair with either Spence or Clarke. It will be sad.
Sol
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Clarke has some balls. Bjornfot has none unfortunately. I can’t say I understand it but some players can seriously make a career by throwing a few hits more a game and big hit a few times a year.
Don’t know how these players don’t just drop the whatever it is and just expand their game so they can make more money.
Bjornfot has legit no flavor in his game and is easily forgettable. He’s a decent defender but why not be a decent defender who can throw some hits.
Just bizarre.
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Here is a example of why this team needs some toughness. Kempe gets boarded by McBoard and Kopitar does nothing to protect his team. This is part of the problem with Kopitar as Captain. Kopitar the player I have no issue, as Captain he is soft.
Should we post the McDavid hit on Anderson?
Both Cogliano hits on Kempe and Fiala?
The Joshua hit on Grundstrom?
The Josh Anderson hit on Kopitar?
Nurse knocking out Grundstrom's teeth...
Zadorov cross check on Byfield.
Any response to the above incidents. NONE.
Both Cogliano hits on Kempe and Fiala?
The Joshua hit on Grundstrom?
The Josh Anderson hit on Kopitar?
Nurse knocking out Grundstrom's teeth...
Zadorov cross check on Byfield.
Any response to the above incidents. NONE.
Brownie to Pancakes
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Do us all a favor and just post your extremely one-note standpoint in your signature. It will free you up to talk about the myriad other facets of hockey without feeling obligated to include Zack Kassian's name in every post.
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