Speculation: LA Kings Offseason Thread

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Van owns us and a healthy demko is worth points, plus they've added to their back end with Soucy and Cole

Edmonton
VGK top two seeds

LAK
Seattle
Vancouver
Calgary 4 teams fighting for last spot and wild card, 3 spots

Anaheim
San Jose

It's not THAT far fetched a world in which the Kings blackhole. Calgary calls up Wolf and he goes nuclear, Demko is back to normal as is EP/Miller, etc.
Vancouver has nothing down the middle after Pettersson and Miller. Demko could be a game changer, and i do like Soucy. Even with Soucy and Cole this team still looks like Wolanin will see regular time in the lineup.
Seattle lost Soucy and I think they take a step back. I think a lot went right for them last year.
If Lindhom does not sign Calgary will be a tire fire. If he does the team is banking on a big rebound year from Huberdeau.
 
Ok so either you’ve been hitting the bottle this morning or you just flat out don’t know our roster..
offense… Improved
PK.. we’ll have Gavrikov for a full season and Lewis will help immensely there! Improved
Goaltending… I’ll dare to say we’re starting better this season than we did last year. Petersen/Quick vs Talbot/Copley? Is there even a reason to compare?? Improved!
Defense… Edler & Durzi gone, that’s a plus..
Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Roy
Englund/Bjornfot-Clarke/Spence
This is a giant leap in talent! Improved
4th line.. yes it’ll still get bitch slapped but we now have 3 complete lines that’ll reduce the need to overplay the 4th.. same

So why aren’t you looking forward to the season again??????
Only thing i will play devil's advocate on is the PK. I think Iafallo will be a big loss there.
Forward group - Better
Defense - Better
Goaltending - Better than start of last year

Other poster said alot of things went right injury wise last year. However Fiala, Arviddson and Moore missed stretches (it's why Vilardi got his start). Roy and Walker were shells of themselves starting the year but got better as it went along as well.

This team should be better.
 
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I don’t think that’s fairly realistic. There’s no reason to expect Copley to continue where he left off. He didn’t inspire hope either with how painfully bad he looked when Korpisalo got pulled. Copley came on and looked good comparatively to Quick and Petersen. However Copley was a nobody then and that doesn’t just go away. It’s fair to assume he had his Scrivens moment and he will fade into where he was before.

There’s undoubtedly a lot of reason for concern in goaltending.
exactly. I'm not sure how/why you can count on Copley to repeat last season. I hope he does and the guy turned the corner on his career and now is a valid #1 (or platoon #1) NHL goaltender. But we're talking about a random 30 yr old JAG that was signed off the street last year for AHL depth. His W/L record kind of out punched his actual save percentage. It all screams a bit of one year wonder. I hope sure not though.
 
I don’t think that’s fairly realistic. There’s no reason to expect Copley to continue where he left off. He didn’t inspire hope either with how painfully bad he looked when Korpisalo got pulled. Copley came on and looked good comparatively to Quick and Petersen. However Copley was a nobody then and that doesn’t just go away. It’s fair to assume he had his Scrivens moment and he will fade into where he was before.

There’s undoubtedly a lot of reason for concern in goaltending.
You're talking about 1 game against the Oilers.

Copley was average last year. No reason to think he won't continue to be average.
 
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exactly. I'm not sure how/why you can count on Copley to repeat last season. I hope he does and the guy turned the corner on his career and now is a valid #1 (or platoon #1) NHL goaltender. But we're talking about a random 30 yr old JAG that was signed off the street last year for AHL depth. His W/L record kind of out punched his actual save percentage. It all screams a bit of one year wonder. I hope sure not though.

His performance last season, compared to his previous seasons, wasn't extraordinary. Perhaps slightly better than average, at best. He only looked phenomenal because of how absolute below average Quick/Peterson were. We should expect more of the same....he shouldn't regress, but we're probably not gonna get anything better.
 
He's had back-to-back 60 point seasons, and I'm sure that long-term commitment will be thrown out the window in two seasons as you described. These are things that are less likely to happen in your fantastical scenario. Are you holding out hope those two things happen?
No, I'm just saying that if you use Vilardi's history against him then PLD's can be used against him as well. Are you holding out hope that Vilardi regresses and gets injured?
 
No, I'm just saying that if you use Vilardi's history against him then PLD's can be used against him as well. Are you holding out hope that Vilardi regresses and gets injured?
What do you think is more likely to happen? You really think Dubois will put up less than 60 points and asks out in two years? Did you happen to notice Vilardi missed 19 games this past season? He also officially filed for arbitration, so we’ll find out what number he’s seeking if his case actually goes before an arbitrator.
 
You can spin excuses for him falling off a cliff in the playoffs if you'd like. You believe in him so I understand why you would want to.

I have two playoff series in a row where he has been useless. If he isn't scoring as much and the lines are a problem, at least he is winning faceoffs and throwing hits? Nope. Line mates aren't the reason for that FO% implosion. Even if he were to hit more, it is a toss-up if the hit hurts Lizotte more than the opponent.

If he is the 4C, does that make it better? I can get behind that 100% as long as 4th line = major reduction in minutes and responsibility.
When I look at the 4th, the main issue I see is the wingers.

If an option to upgrade 4C came along I wouldn't be opposed, but I don't see the 4th line clicking unless we fix the the wings.

It's hard for me to imagine many other 4C's in this league doing well if they were put in similar situations as Lizotte these past two playoffs.

As for my "excuses" for him, let me just point he went 1-for-15 in faceoffs, and had to sit out games. That doesn't happen unless you're having a major injury issue.

If Calgary starts selling, I like Backlund. Kopitar/PLD/Danault/Backlund down the middle would be awesome.
 
Not sure how anyone can still be upset with ay of those signings considering what it led to. Without signing those guys, Cloutier included, maybe we're still looking for our first cup.
 
When I look at the 4th, the main issue I see is the wingers.

If an option to upgrade 4C came along I wouldn't be opposed, but I don't see the 4th line clicking unless we fix the the wings.

It's hard for me to imagine many other 4C's in this league doing well if they were put in similar situations as Lizotte these past two playoffs.

As for my "excuses" for him, let me just point he went 1-for-15 in faceoffs, and had to sit out games. That doesn't happen unless you're having a major injury issue.

If Calgary starts selling, I like Backlund. Kopitar/PLD/Danault/Backlund down the middle would be awesome.
Backlund as a fourth line center would be a waste or a glutenous situation. Rather upgrade elsewhere than 4th line. Really LA could dress 7 D and rotate 3 centers in the playoffs

Not sure how anyone can still be upset with ay of those signings considering what it led to. Without signing those guys, Cloutier included, maybe we're still looking for our first cup.
I can and will bitch about the Cloutier signing. The trade I was on the fence on, but then signing him before playing a single game was asinine
 
When I look at the 4th, the main issue I see is the wingers.

If an option to upgrade 4C came along I wouldn't be opposed, but I don't see the 4th line clicking unless we fix the the wings.

It's hard for me to imagine many other 4C's in this league doing well if they were put in similar situations as Lizotte these past two playoffs.

As for my "excuses" for him, let me just point he went 1-for-15 in faceoffs, and had to sit out games. That doesn't happen unless you're having a major injury issue.

If Calgary starts selling, I like Backlund. Kopitar/PLD/Danault/Backlund down the middle would be awesome.
I'll just say he dipped to 45% from ~52% in the '22 playoffs. Also, players of all shapes and sizes get hurt but it is a fact that he is 50% in his career so far for getting hurt in the playoffs. He plays a certain way to be effective which is more difficult when every opposing player is bigger than you and they are all not passing up a hit like they might do in the regular season. These guys have to have eyes as big as saucers when they get a chance to hit him.

My Lizotte "problem" is that I would gladly take a comparable but less "skilled" 4C who might not put up as many points in the regular season in exchange for increased size. So far in his career, I'm not getting any of the regular season offense or FO% in the playoffs to compensate for his lack of size.

Who is that player? Is he available? Don't know but I will always believe he is a weakness in the playoffs until proven wrong. If he is playing for the Kings in the playoffs this year, I hope he proves me wrong. I'll be the first to admit it on here and will @ you in my post to give credit where credit is due.
 
You're talking about 1 game against the Oilers.

Copley was average last year. No reason to think he won't continue to be average.
So some no name average AHL goalie with no NHL experience until last season is expected to be an average NHL goalie? The logic checks out.


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Backlund as a fourth line center would be a waste or a glutenous situation. Rather upgrade elsewhere than 4th line. Really LA could dress 7 D and rotate 3 centers in the playoffs


I can and will bitch about the Cloutier signing. The trade I was on the fence on, but then signing him before playing a single game was asinine
It worked out in the end. Not sure why it’s worth being upset about 17 years later but ok.
 
I'm not looking forward to this season because I think it will be bad, I'm not jonesed about the whole thing because while I think this is a GOOD TEAM I don't think it is a CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM without some players making some giant steps forward.

Specifically, if Byfield, Kaliyev, Clarke and Spence finally get minutes and can meet their potential, all the other players play roughly similar, then MAYBE. Won't even mention the goaltending, which until we hit the ice and see otherwise is league worst right now.

My secondary problem is what happens AFTER this season. If we don't win the cup, what do we do? Do we resign kopitar and run again unsuccessfully? Do we tear down and retool/rebuild with our youngish pieces? Do we spend more capital to invest in the flavor of the month? How long do we keep it up until we flame out? There is no indication what EXACTLY is going on in Blake's head.

if the plan is to keep trying to contend until Doughty's deal expires, then it's going to be miserable the next few years if we don't win.
 
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So some no name average AHL goalie with no NHL experience until last season is expected to be an average NHL goalie? The logic checks out.


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He played 27 games for the Capitals in 18/19 with 2.90gaa and .905sv%

He played 37 games for us last year with 2.61gaa and .903sv%

Why wouldn't we think he'd continue to be about the same?
 
He played 27 games for the Capitals in 18/19 with 2.90gaa and .905sv%

He played 37 games for us last year with 2.61gaa and .903sv%

Why wouldn't we think he'd continue to be about the same?
So his previous nhl stint of 5 years ago really sold you? But you happen to ignore the fact he hasn’t touched NHL ice until last year for some reason?
 
So his previous nhl stint of 5 years ago really sold you? But you happen to ignore the fact he hasn’t touched NHL ice until last year for some reason?
Considering his age, measurables, contractual status, and mediocre performance last year, the most likely outcome for this season is more of the same.

While there's a possibility his play drops off, there's also a possibility that he actually improves, but these two scenarios are less likely.
 
Considering his age, measurables, contractual status, and mediocre performance last year, the most likely outcome for this season is more of the same.

While there's a possibility his play drops off, there's also a possibility that he actually improves, but these two scenarios are less likely.
Being a back up vs playing a full season are completely different animals
 
Not even so sure about that. We moved out 150pts from the players we traded. If PLD is good for 65-70pts where do we get the other half? The kids need to all have break out seasons. I do think we might be better defensively though. Just having Gavri here all season with help immensely.
PLD could and could be good for closer to 90 points with a healthy play driving winger in Fiala.
Hopefully Kaliyev can break through as the RW with those 2.
Byfield learned a lot last year and solidified his spot on a very productive L1 last year.
Byf's stats should increase this year.
Moore and Danaluts line will hopefully stay stout defensively and chip in more on offense.
Hopefully Lizotte can mesh with wingers on L4 to add a bit and som stability and energy with good.
The Kings Achilles heel is now depth so injury , particularly to key players could derail thing faster than a hazardous chemical container next to a tap water source.
 
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Being a back up vs playing a full season are completely different animals
Yes.

I assume they'll do a 50/50 split.

If they both shit the bed they'll look to pick up another rando goalie somewhere.

Can't be worse than Cal/Quick.
 
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Yes.

I assume they'll do a 50/50 split.

If they both shit the bed they'll look to pick up another rando goalie somewhere.

Can't be worse than Cal/Quick.
You do realize Talbot has been said to be one of the worst goalies in the league right? Now imagine 50/50 split with Copley who hasn’t played more than 30 NHL games. A career mediocre AHLer.

There is a real possibility it gets worse.
 
Tmac= career loser
Talbot= career loser
Regular season wieners

Eventually whoever the gm is will have to do a complete tear down as should have been done originally. Lets hope its not bergevin
 
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Does anyone remember before we won a cup reading comments about how we were not a Stanley cup contending team because Kopitar wasn't a true #1 center.
Don't forget Kyle Calder and Brad Stuart. The previous year they had signed Scott Thornton and Alyn McCauley, oh and also acquired Dan Cloutier.


Such painful memories.

Remember when he had to switch back to his old style mask because they thought that could be the reason he was so bad? Lol
 
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