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Johnny Utah said:
I agree. Trade Lizotte, JAD or Lewis can play center and Kings ideally need a tough guy and Fagemo rotating in.
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Probably could get any of Englund/Connauton/Moverare in and out of Ontario without a waiver claim, but getting a tough guy spare forward without any further trade would require waiving the extra dman or Fagemo and keeping a 22 man roster. Otherwise, trading Grundstrom would leave you at just over 3 million in space that would give you room for 3 extras with less than 100k in space and those signings being for 750k
 
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Lizotte is well liked by the coaching staff. I doubt he gets moved.

He had a terrible playoffs, but was playing through back spasms. He's shown that he can be a good 4C.

Kings will likely make paper transactions with their waiver exempt players to get cap compliant. They'll have a 21 man roster for some home games I'm guessing.

I know Johnny wants a big physical winger, and so do I, but I just don't think it's going to happen. If it does it will likely be around the TDL.

Should of moved Arvidsson IMO.
 
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FSL KINGS said:
Sign Brown to 7.5M, 1 year contract & put him on LTIR?
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Just to derail the conversation a little, Quick did get his name on the Cup with Vegas and also signed for $825k to play with the Rangers. I can see that since it's close to home for him. Best outcome for him really. It all worked out on his side but was bloody painful for a lot of us in the beginning. Get bounced and get your name on the Cup again. Sign with your home team where he grew up where Mike Richter played, who he watched as a kid. Life has a way of working out. Sometimes a difficult journey has a better reward.

nypost.com

Rangers sign goalie Jonathan Quick in hopes of filling ‘mentor’ role

The Rangers’ new backup goalie is a three-time Stanley Cup champion and a future Hall of Famer.
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Trevor Lewis is a big, physical, MEAN player in Rob Blake's eyes.

Oh and Zack MacEwen is basically Tom Wilson 2.0; hence the reason Rob Blake saw the need to attach a pick to Brendan Lemieux for the trade.
 
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Kings had two Enforcers in Ontario (Doty and Gouldbourne) last year plus a veteran in Thompson who could throw.

You can argue that Hodgson replaces Nate Thompson.

So they still need to re sign Doty or Gouldbourne.

Lemieux, McEwen, Kassian, Comtois, Gadvojich, all still out there. Kings could easily pick one up. Maybe they re-sign Doty and sign one of these others to a two way (not Comtois) and rotate them between the AHL and NHL.
 
Papa Mocha 15 said:
Just to derail the conversation a little, Quick did get his name on the Cup with Vegas and also signed for $825k to play with the Rangers. I can see that since it's close to home for him. Best outcome for him really. It all worked out on his side but was bloody painful for a lot of us in the beginning. Get bounced and get your name on the Cup again. Sign with your home team where he grew up where Mike Richter played, who he watched as a kid. Life has a way of working out. Sometimes a difficult journey has a better reward.

nypost.com

Rangers sign goalie Jonathan Quick in hopes of filling ‘mentor’ role

The Rangers’ new backup goalie is a three-time Stanley Cup champion and a future Hall of Famer.
nypost.com nypost.com
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Really hope he can get the all time American goalie win record
 
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YAYSAY said:
Really hope he can get the all time American goalie win record
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He needs 17. It's gonna be hard for him to. Needs probably another season after this one at least. I think he wants to get a shot to do it, but he's going to need a team willing to sign him and play him next year. No way the Rangers are playing him 30 games this year.
 
johnjm22 said:
Lizotte is well liked by the coaching staff. I doubt he gets moved.

He had a terrible playoffs, but was playing through back spasms. He's shown that he can be a good 4C.

Kings will likely make paper transactions with their waiver exempt players to get cap compliant. They'll have a 21 man roster for some home games I'm guessing.

I know Johnny wants a big physical winger, and so do I, but I just don't think it's going to happen. If it does it will likely be around the TDL.

Should of moved Arvidsson IMO.
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Lizotte has two terrible playoffs in a row because, sorry, he is too small to be effective in even a 4C role in the playoffs.

His success in the regular season comes from him putting out 110% even against Arizona in December. When the playoffs roll around and everyone goes to the 100% level, his lack of size sinks him.

Coming off a real nice streak of games that also coincided with a bunch of Ws for the Kings, Lizotte's home stretch looked like this for the last 24 games:

2 Goals
4 Assist (20 point pace)
+9 - that's pretty nice
54.91% on face-offs. Also nice (134W/110L)
21 PIMs including the stupid major against the Jets.

Is that horrible? No, although the points trailed off a decent amount. Good FO% and positive side of the ledger for +/-. Would I prefer those numbers in a body that actually wears down the opposition v. the Blake bounce-off? Sure, but I'm not going to bury him for those numbers, although that is at 3C and not at 4C like we are talking about for next year.

But what about my playoff thesis?

10 Games played
0 Goals. 1 Assist.
-1 with 18 PIMs.
Only 14 total hits. @Sol This is what I'm talking about with the idea that Lizotte is one of the only guys that gets in the Oilers faces or whatever.
38.20% FO% (34W/55L)

When everyone starts playing to their size, the size thing becomes an issue. Now, maybe he is just a horrible matchup against Edmonton but, shit, the GM seems to have just made the PLD trade specifically to deal with Edmonton.

I get that trading RV gets you a better return than Lizotte and opens up more space. The former is more important to this team's chances this season than the latter and I'm not sure what you are getting with that cap space now anyways. Blake's offseason has been very risky regardless but it would really be something to seemingly build a team based on offense but move out all of the points generated by RV/Vilardi/Durzi/Iafallo in return for just PLD. That's a lot of confidence in the PLD factor, Byfield and Clarke.
 
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BigKing said:
Lizotte has two terrible playoffs in a row because, sorry, he is too small to be effective in even a 4C role in the playoffs.

His success in the regular season comes from him putting out 110% even against Arizona in December. When the playoffs roll around and everyone goes to the 100% level, his lack of size sinks him.

Coming off a real nice streak of games that also coincided with a bunch of Ws for the Kings, Lizotte's home stretch looked like this for the last 24 games:

2 Goals
4 Assist (20 point pace)
+9 - that's pretty nice
54.91% on face-offs. Also nice (134W/110L)
21 PIMs including the stupid major against the Jets.

Is that horrible? No, although the points trailed off a decent amount. Good FO% and positive side of the ledger for +/-. Would I prefer those numbers in a body that actually wears down the opposition v. the Blake bounce-off? Sure, but I'm not going to bury him for those numbers, although that is at 3C and not at 4C like we are talking about for next year.

But what about my playoff thesis?

10 Games played
0 Goals. 1 Assist.
-1 with 18 PIMs.
Only 14 total hits. @Sol This is what I'm talking about with the idea that Lizotte is one of the only guys that gets in the Oilers faces or whatever.
38.20% FO% (34W/55L)

When everyone starts playing to their size, the size thing becomes an issue. Now, maybe he is just a horrible matchup against Edmonton but, shit, the GM seems to have just made the PLD trade specifically to deal with Edmonton.

I get that trading RV gets you a better return than Lizotte and opens up more space. The former is more important to this team's chances this season than the latter and I'm not sure what you are getting with that cap space now anyways. Blake's offseason has been very risky regardless but it would really be something to seemingly build a team based on offense but move out all of the points generated by RV/Vilardi/Durzi/Iafallo in return for just PLD. That's a lot of confidence in the PLD factor, Byfield and Clarke.
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Lizotte was man handled in both playoffs.
 
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SmytheKing said:
He needs 17. It's gonna be hard for him to. Needs probably another season after this one at least. I think he wants to get a shot to do it, but he's going to need a team willing to sign him and play him next year. No way the Rangers are playing him 30 games this year.
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He played almost 30 for the Kings last year. 36 games total with both teams, so having him play 30 isn't a stretch. I think thats the Rangers plan with him.
 
BigKing said:
Lizotte has two terrible playoffs in a row because, sorry, he is too small to be effective in even a 4C role in the playoffs.

His success in the regular season comes from him putting out 110% even against Arizona in December. When the playoffs roll around and everyone goes to the 100% level, his lack of size sinks him.

Coming off a real nice streak of games that also coincided with a bunch of Ws for the Kings, Lizotte's home stretch looked like this for the last 24 games:

2 Goals
4 Assist (20 point pace)
+9 - that's pretty nice
54.91% on face-offs. Also nice (134W/110L)
21 PIMs including the stupid major against the Jets.

Is that horrible? No, although the points trailed off a decent amount. Good FO% and positive side of the ledger for +/-. Would I prefer those numbers in a body that actually wears down the opposition v. the Blake bounce-off? Sure, but I'm not going to bury him for those numbers, although that is at 3C and not at 4C like we are talking about for next year.

But what about my playoff thesis?

10 Games played
0 Goals. 1 Assist.
-1 with 18 PIMs.
Only 14 total hits. @Sol This is what I'm talking about with the idea that Lizotte is one of the only guys that gets in the Oilers faces or whatever.
38.20% FO% (34W/55L)

When everyone starts playing to their size, the size thing becomes an issue. Now, maybe he is just a horrible matchup against Edmonton but, shit, the GM seems to have just made the PLD trade specifically to deal with Edmonton.

I get that trading RV gets you a better return than Lizotte and opens up more space. The former is more important to this team's chances this season than the latter and I'm not sure what you are getting with that cap space now anyways. Blake's offseason has been very risky regardless but it would really be something to seemingly build a team based on offense but move out all of the points generated by RV/Vilardi/Durzi/Iafallo in return for just PLD. That's a lot of confidence in the PLD factor, Byfield and Clarke.
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What do you expect from a 3rd line of Athanasiou-Lizotte-Brown?

What's most likely the problem with that line? That the wingers and the fact that it's the 3rd line? Or Lizotte? I think it's the former. I can't imagine any 4C doing well in that scenario.

Lines have to be setup correctly, with players playing in their proper spot.

In 2023 he was playing 3C and having back spasms. In 2022 he was playing 3C and paired with a completely spent Dustin Brown.

For Lizotte the fall off from regular season to playoffs has been largely coincidental. In 2022 him and Lemieux were having great success, then Lemieux fell off a cliff, and Kupari couldn't hold down 3C, so Lizotte was put there (along with incompetent linemates). Thus the problems.

Blaming the issues on size is odd considering there's plenty of smallish players who do fine in the playoffs.

In these series against Edmonton, the main problem has been only one or two functioning forwards lines at any given time. Lizotte playing too far up in the lineup is part of that. The PLD acquisition, in theory, should bump everyone down into their proper spot.
 
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BigKing said:
Lizotte has two terrible playoffs in a row because, sorry, he is too small to be effective in even a 4C role in the playoffs.

His success in the regular season comes from him putting out 110% even against Arizona in December. When the playoffs roll around and everyone goes to the 100% level, his lack of size sinks him.

Coming off a real nice streak of games that also coincided with a bunch of Ws for the Kings, Lizotte's home stretch looked like this for the last 24 games:

2 Goals
4 Assist (20 point pace)
+9 - that's pretty nice
54.91% on face-offs. Also nice (134W/110L)
21 PIMs including the stupid major against the Jets.

Is that horrible? No, although the points trailed off a decent amount. Good FO% and positive side of the ledger for +/-. Would I prefer those numbers in a body that actually wears down the opposition v. the Blake bounce-off? Sure, but I'm not going to bury him for those numbers, although that is at 3C and not at 4C like we are talking about for next year.

But what about my playoff thesis?

10 Games played
0 Goals. 1 Assist.
-1 with 18 PIMs.
Only 14 total hits. @Sol This is what I'm talking about with the idea that Lizotte is one of the only guys that gets in the Oilers faces or whatever.
38.20% FO% (34W/55L)

When everyone starts playing to their size, the size thing becomes an issue. Now, maybe he is just a horrible matchup against Edmonton but, shit, the GM seems to have just made the PLD trade specifically to deal with Edmonton.

I get that trading RV gets you a better return than Lizotte and opens up more space. The former is more important to this team's chances this season than the latter and I'm not sure what you are getting with that cap space now anyways. Blake's offseason has been very risky regardless but it would really be something to seemingly build a team based on offense but move out all of the points generated by RV/Vilardi/Durzi/Iafallo in return for just PLD. That's a lot of confidence in the PLD factor, Byfield and Clarke.
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fLiswotte..
 
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