Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[BigKing]

And he won't be hitting much of anything by consistently setting himself up to be the F3 on every line he has played on this year.

When he came back from injury/illness whatever back in January, he was actually hitting and it looked like him on the 3rd line would be passable. That has stopped, however. You can't just be a turnover machine while not offering anything else. He's basically Kurtis MacDermid without the fighting/hitting aspect of the game.

The grind of the season takes its toll on him. Guy is a '03 draftee that led the league in hits for years while seemingly never missing a game. There are a ton of miles on him and it is all catching up to him. To be fair, it already caught up to him last year as he faded down the stretch.

He'd basically have to piss himself on the ice like the dude in Slapshot to be a healthy scratch. I've already made peace a while ago that they aren't taking him out of the lineup so you have to hope it doesn't get uglier out there.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Seriously, some of you are just brand new to the game, or no idea what you guys are watching....

WTF do I have to convince, a bunch of forum posters whose highest hockey achievement is playing beer league?

Hey bud, feel free to argue and bitch about each others opinions and points of view, but this shit is going to piss off everybody really quick.

 

[Trash Panda]

Man, the ignore button makes things hard to follow sometimes, but I’ll be damned if it isn’t entertaining as hell.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Hey bud, feel free to argue and bitch about each others opinions and points of view, but this shit is going to piss off everybody really quick.

Think we passed that port a long time ago bud....but some of these takes are exactly that.....there's no other way to take them, they have no context, but find an outlet to spew what they don't know....which is fine, but don't be surprised or pissed when called out on it.

And I dunno for the 20th time, Brown is NOWHERE NEAR the player he once was....and he is NOWHERE NEAR the player portrayed on these boards.....

No one is defending Brown as in saying, he's being miscast, he should be this, he's still a great player.....but on the opposite end, you've got some absolutely brutal f***ing takes of his play.....based on guys again, highest level is beer league.....which is fine, you are allowed to post what you want, again, just don't be pissed when called out on the junk that it is.

 

[tny760]

Man, the ignore button makes things hard to follow sometimes, but I’ll be damned if it isn’t entertaining as hell.

i've caught on to the fact that when i see "ignored member" in the latest post, there's also an argument in that thread

 

[cyclones22]

Right, imagine if a UFA got signed to a 1 year deal for 5.8M and was producing 6 goals, 16 assists in 51 games with 15 minutes of TOI including power-play time while shooting 4.8%. First off, you'd think that was a defenseman and you'd say well, that's not too bad. When I tell you it's a forward, to a man everyone here would be saying cut that guy loose at the end of the season, but maybe see if he takes a steep discount. Then if I told you he was turning 38 at the start of next season it would be an absolute no brainer decision. But wait, after further review he's the guy who captained the Kings to their 2 Stanley Cup winning seasons so that has to count for something. That's the whole point though. The ONLY reason to keep him around is sentimental. There's nothing about his play on the ice that warrants him to be kept. If his jersey number wasn't 23 nobody would want him back next season.

 

[Herby]

Hey bud, feel free to argue and bitch about each others opinions and points of view, but this shit is going to piss off everybody really quick.

Yup sure is.

This is atleast the 3rd time this stupid take has been made by people on this forum in the last week. If people think every poster should be an NHL player, coach, manager or scout to comment than this forum will be above as lively as a Coyotes home game.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Right, imagine if a UFA got signed to a 1 year deal for 5.8M and was producing 6 goals, 16 assists in 51 games with 15 minutes of TOI including power-play time while shooting 4.8%. First off, you'd think that was a defenseman and you'd say well, that's not too bad. When I tell you it's a forward, to a man everyone here would be saying cut that guy loose at the end of the season, but maybe see if he takes a steep discount. Then if I told you he was turning 38 at the start of next season it would be an absolute no brainer decision. But wait, after further review he's the guy who captained the Kings to their 2 Stanley Cup winning seasons. That's the whole point though. The ONLY reason to keep him around is sentimental. There's nothing about his play on the ice that warrants him to be kept. If his jersey number wasn't 23 nobody would want him back next season.

I haven't yet seen anyone that says bring him back.....scratch that, I saw one person said maybe if this.....etc. but no one expects him back next season.....no one serious.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Yup sure is.

This is atleast the 3rd time this stupid take has been made by people on this forum in the last week. If people think every poster should be an NHL player, coach, manager or scout to comment than this forum will be above as lively as a Coyotes home game.

No one said that...but a bad take is a bad take, REGARDLESS....of what you are, or are not.....and there are NUMEROUS bad takes, to be fair though, it might be 2-3-4 posters, posting many times, haven't paid that close attention to it....

 

[Herby]

No one said that...but a bad take is a bad take, REGARDLESS....of what you are, or are not.....and there are NUMEROUS bad takes, to be fair though, it might be 2-3-4 posters, posting many times, haven't paid that close attention to it....

Fine, if you think it's a bad take just say it's a bad take. No one cares about what level of play anyone played at as a pre-requisite to have an opinion. This a fan forum, there is going to be differing opinions and not everyone is going to like a player, manager or coach.

 

[head eyes]

Think we passed that port a long time ago bud....but some of these takes are exactly that.....there's no other way to take them, they have no context, but find an outlet to spew what they don't know....which is fine, but don't be surprised or pissed when called out on it.

And I dunno for the 20th time, Brown is NOWHERE NEAR the player he once was....and he is NOWHERE NEAR the player portrayed on these boards.....

No one is defending Brown as in saying, he's being miscast, he should be this, he's still a great player.....but on the opposite end, you've got some absolutely brutal f***ing takes of his play.....based on guys again, highest level is beer league.....which is fine, you are allowed to post what you want, again, just don't be pissed when called out on the junk that it is.

No, you're downplaying how bad he actually is. I don't care that you played Bantam A for the Golden Bears back in 2004, that doesn't have anything to do with critiquing someone else's play. I don't have to be a pro chef to know McDonald's is shit.

He should at least be sat every once in a while to rest and try some rookies in his spot and get different looks, but no, they'll trod his beaten and bloody body out there nonstop because Todd and Rob don't want to hurt his feelings.

 

[BigKing]

No one said that...but a bad take is a bad take, REGARDLESS....of what you are, or are not.....and there are NUMEROUS bad takes, to be fair though, it might be 2-3-4 posters, posting many times, haven't paid that close attention to it....

So there is an argument that Grundstrom has outplayed him. As for other youth, most people would like to see a prospect be given the chance to outplay him.

He is still playing because Bluc is all about being player friendly and that is the message they have been sending the league. Every vet they sold during the tank job went to a good situation. As bad as the Kovy thing was, they basically were like "go do your thing away from the team and we'll pay you...then we'll buy you out so you can be a UFA again mid-season and pick your destination". He's a Kings legend and Kings legends Luc and Blake are going to treat him better than they feel they were treated.

His best contribution to the team is a locker room presence because the on-ice play is pretty rough stuff. Management is determined to make the playoffs in spite of his play on the ice so we all just need to hope it doesn't get worse.

 

[LAKings88]

Blake is at that moment that Lombardi was at with Richards. Deano was loyal to a fault even when everyone knew it was time to cut loose.

I hope Blake can make the tough call. Brown doesn't provide much on the ice and now is taking up space.

I'm grateful for Brown's career. He was picked the day after I got married. It's been a great loooonnggg career. It's time.

 

[BigKing]

Blake is at that moment that Lombardi was at with Richards. Deano was loyal to a fault even when everyone knew it was time to cut loose.

I hope Blake can make the tough call. Brown doesn't provide much on the ice and now is taking up space.

I'm grateful for Brown's career. He was picked the day after I got married. It's been a great loooonnggg career. It's time.

Yeah...I can't really compare those situations. Blake and company know that this is his last year with the team. If Brown ever decides to wear another team's sweater, it will be his decision. In the meantime, they are going to let him play out the final year of his contract and let him go out on his terms. The Richards thing was a ton of cap space and years and years of commitment to a guy they knew had a problem: the current situation is letting a life-long Kings legend play out the final year of his contract

They are in 2nd place after 54 games with him playing in 51 of them. They think they can win in spite of his poor play. They believe that showing the younger guys "this is how the Kings treat loyal legends" is worth more than his negative contributions on the ice.

The real issue here is if it gets worse. I do believe that there should be some sort of maintenance days for him since he plays better at the start of the season or when coming off of injury. Especially if they actually make the playoffs because he is for sure playing: I'd rather have him a bit more rested if he's going to be out there.

Just to be clear: I'm not arguing for him to be out there every night. At the same time, any talk of trading him or "cutting him loose" is a bad look for this franchise. Doing so doesn't take this team to a Cup so I get the bigger picture of letting him go out on top: you just hope it doesn't torpedo their playoff chances. That's the risk Management is obviously willing to take.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Yeah...I can't really compare those situations. Blake and company know that this is his last year with the team. If Brown ever decides to wear another team's sweater, it will be his decision. In the meantime, they are going to let him play out the final year of his contract and let him go out on his terms. The Richards thing was a ton of cap space and years and years of commitment to a guy they knew had a problem: the current situation is letting a life-long Kings legend play out the final year of his contract

They are in 2nd place after 54 games with him playing in 51 of them. They think they can win in spite of his poor play. They believe that showing the younger guys "this is how the Kings treat loyal legends" is worth more than his negative contributions on the ice.

The real issue here is if it gets worse. I do believe that there should be some sort of maintenance days for him since he plays better at the start of the season or when coming off of injury. Especially if they actually make the playoffs because he is for sure playing: I'd rather have him a bit more rested if he's going to be out there.

Just to be clear: I'm not arguing for him to be out there every night. At the same time, any talk of trading him or "cutting him loose" is a bad look for this franchise. Doing so doesn't take this team to a Cup so I get the bigger picture of letting him go out on top: you just hope it doesn't torpedo their playoff chances. That's the risk Management is obviously willing to take.

Ahhh, a rational take....feels sooo good.

 

[Maynard]

Man, the ignore button makes things hard to follow sometimes, but I’ll be damned if it isn’t entertaining as hell.

It really is a much better board when you ignore the narcissistic jack holes that think they’re smarter and better fans than everyone else because they played in SCAHA 30 years ago. It’s like listening to Al Bundy except it’s never funny.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I haven't yet seen anyone that says bring him back.....scratch that, I saw one person said maybe if this.....etc. but no one expects him back next season.....no one serious.

No one is saying the Kings would be 55-0 with him off the team either but that hasn't stopped you from making that claim.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

WTF do I have to convince, a bunch of forum posters whose highest hockey achievement is playing beer league?

For what it's worth I went as far in (playing) hockey as Dean Lombardi did. I guess that makes me qualified to talk down to you. That's how it works right?

No, it doesn't? Then stop.

 

[King'sPawn]

Seeing the argument going on with an ignored member, I can't help but think of a saying I've heard many times before: "There are fewer things more dangerous than ignorance and arrogance."

And while it's applicable on a large scale, it miraculously works for message boards, too.

 

[Schmooley]

Ahhh, a rational take....feels sooo good.

You prefer the nice way of saying he sucks is all.

 

[bland]

Man, the ignore button makes things hard to follow sometimes, but I’ll be damned if it isn’t entertaining as hell.

The funny thing is that the threads are actually more coherent when you cut out the garbage from those few who water down the discussion with tangential nonsense anyway.

And you don't have to worry about their childish responses when you call out their remedial hockey IQs.

 

[Statto]

It’s a really difficult situation with Brown. In terms of purely his on ice performance it’s easy to make a a strong case for him being a healthy scratch and someone other than AA playing instead.

However, as a former Captain he will have a huge impact off the ice both directly and indirectly. He’s tight with the other veteran players and I’d be pretty confident I’m him having a big influence on the other younger players, likely taking an active mentor role. That impact would be diminished by him being a healthy scratch.

Then you have the piece about how veteran players are treated because scratching could easy upset the likes of Kopi and DD. It could also create a general feeling of awkwardness in the room, with such a well respected guy sat out. As such if they feel that as a group they are ‘more than the sum of their parts’ and feel that it driven by a strong dressing room then I fully understand not wanting to change a thing. Improving things could easily make it worse. Note: I’m not saying it would make it worse but it’s a risk and can of worms they perhaps don’t want to open. A good room can take a long time to build but can be torn down in an instant.

I also agree that some of the criticism of Brown has at times been a bit hyperbolic. He does do some good things out there even if he is most definitely coming to the end of the road. He definitely should not be signed for next season.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Bam! Got it!

Blake needs to start a Brown trade rumor! Y'all remember what happened to Brown's game last time the GM floated his name?

 

[YP44]

I wonder how many people have me blocked

 

[kingsfan28]

Yeah...I can't really compare those situations. Blake and company know that this is his last year with the team. If Brown ever decides to wear another team's sweater, it will be his decision. In the meantime, they are going to let him play out the final year of his contract and let him go out on his terms. The Richards thing was a ton of cap space and years and years of commitment to a guy they knew had a problem: the current situation is letting a life-long Kings legend play out the final year of his contract

They are in 2nd place after 54 games with him playing in 51 of them. They think they can win in spite of his poor play. They believe that showing the younger guys "this is how the Kings treat loyal legends" is worth more than his negative contributions on the ice.

The real issue here is if it gets worse. I do believe that there should be some sort of maintenance days for him since he plays better at the start of the season or when coming off of injury. Especially if they actually make the playoffs because he is for sure playing: I'd rather have him a bit more rested if he's going to be out there.

Just to be clear: I'm not arguing for him to be out there every night. At the same time, any talk of trading him or "cutting him loose" is a bad look for this franchise. Doing so doesn't take this team to a Cup so I get the bigger picture of letting him go out on top: you just hope it doesn't torpedo their playoff chances. That's the risk Management is obviously willing to take.

Yeah the buyout thing is way worse. We had the chance to let him go, take the buyout and move on. Sucks that last concussion wrecked him so bad and Dean didn't see it as an issue and stuck with him out of loyalty. This is Browns last year most likely, let him ride out one way or another, on his terms.