Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[TruKingFan]

Re Clarke I def. want him to get his 9 games but seeing how much he got beat up by the rookie tourney I'm not sure I want him amongst men all season quite yet.

The dude has a mouth on him and gets targeted for a reason.

Or spend time with a personal trainer and gain some muscle.

 

[King'sPawn]

I don't block people because I'm a *****.

I block people to save myself time scrolling past posts I'm never going to read anyway because I don't value their opinion.

My ignore list is pretty long, mostly because I get no enjoyment either reading their stuff or even trying to engage with them.

 

[KINGS17]

Re Clarke I def. want him to get his 9 games but seeing how much he got beat up by the rookie tourney I'm not sure I want him amongst men all season quite yet.

The dude has a mouth on him and gets targeted for a reason.

Yeah, have to say I was not impressed with his little stunt after scoring in the shootout. Stay out there and celebrate with your teammates. Glad he had a good game, but he still has a lot to learn.

 

[cyclones22]

Not worried about at all about Clarke at the NHL level. There's actual disciplinary accountability in the NHL. If you all notice it's our lower level league guys getting injured due to cheap shots. Not our NHL guys. As for his "stunt" at the end of the last game? F*** those guys for cheap shotting him after the freaking whistle blew.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

have we talked about this?

 

[David Lunch]

View attachment 586357have we talked about this?

I keep seeing these rumors and I’m not sure what to make of it. I think if Kopi retires at the end of his contract and you suddenly free up 10 mil and the cap takes a significant jump in 2 years, you gotta take a long look at it.

The big leap I see is that people just assume “oh, LA is close to AZ so of course he wants go to there”. I mean, that would be great if true, but for it still feels like wishful thinking to me.

If he came to LA, I hope he finally drops that terrible mustache But when you score 60 goals, you can damn well do whatever you want I guess, haha.

 

[Telos]

I mean, it is all smoke and mirrors until it happens, but the math is going to align and LA will likely be more competitive than most other Pacific teams. If Matthews is game, mistake or not, I would have to think Blake signs him. Of course, this could all be bullshit and people could be fantasizing over two years for nothing. So I wouldn't even think about it much until ink hits paper

 

[johnjm22]

View attachment 586357have we talked about this?

People have been saying that for awhile. I'm a bit puzzled by it.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

If Blake offers Matthews 7x15, we will know the Quinton Byfield era was short and forgettable.

 

[Docgonzo]

Pasta and Tarasenko UFAs this off-season. Matthews, Aho, Nylander, Petterson then next off-season.

I can see Blake trying to keep some cap space open just on the pure luck one of them might want to come here.

 

[kilowatt]

Matthews at $15+ million is a tough contract to swallow. He’s one of the best in the business, no doubt about it, but that’s almost 20% of the cap. Not sure how you construct a winning team with three guys taking up about $35 million (Matthews, Doughty, and Fiala).

 

[Statto]

Yeah, have to say I was not impressed with his little stunt after scoring in the shootout. Stay out there and celebrate with your teammates. Glad he had a good game, but he still has a lot to learn.

I agree he will need to learn when to show the attitude but its at the core of who he is. If you stifle it too much it’ll impact his game. Mavericks are what they are an the maturity will come in time. I’m sure he celebrated with his team mates in the room…

 

[Docgonzo]

A 4th line of Helenius-Lizotte-Lee would be hilarious.

 

[Reaper45]

I keep seeing these rumors and I’m not sure what to make of it. I think if Kopi retires at the end of his contract and you suddenly free up 10 mil and the cap takes a significant jump in 2 years, you gotta take a long look at it.

The big leap I see is that people just assume “oh, LA is close to AZ so of course he wants go to there”. I mean, that would be great if true, but for it still feels like wishful thinking to me.

If he came to LA, I hope he finally drops that terrible mustache But when you score 60 goals, you can damn well do whatever you want I guess, haha.

Keep the stache, lose the f***ing receding hair line.

A 4th line of Helenius-Lizotte-Lee would be hilarious.

My sophomore year of high school I made the move from outside linebacker/strong safety to center because no one would play center. I was 5’6, my guards were both 6’2-6’3, left tackle was 6’5, right tackle was 6’6. It was hilarious but it f***ing worked. Kind of like a 4th line like that.

 

[BringTheReign]

If Blake offers Matthews 7x15, we will know the Quinton Byfield era was short and forgettable.

I don’t think that’s true necessarily given how the cap is expected to rise. We’ve seen plenty of guys lock up long-term around 8x$8M recently. QB could show progress, get a long-term deal, then as the cap rises and Kopi’s deal drops off the books we have the room to sign Matthews.

How insane would a Matthews - Byfield - Danault trio be?

 

[bmr]

Matthews at $15+ million is a tough contract to swallow. He’s one of the best in the business, no doubt about it, but that’s almost 20% of the cap. Not sure how you construct a winning team with three guys taking up about $35 million (Matthews, Doughty, and Fiala).

Hockey isn't like basketball where stars matter more. I mean we had a lot of fantastic players with the 2012/2014 Cups, but none that were McDavid/Crosby types. I don't think you need that to win. I would love to get him on a discount if you could sell him on winning a Cup later in his career.

 

[YP44]

I don’t think that’s true necessarily given how the cap is expected to rise. We’ve seen plenty of guys lock up long-term around 8x$8M recently. QB could show progress, get a long-term deal, then as the cap rises and Kopi’s deal drops off the books we have the room to sign Matthews.

How insane would a Matthews - Byfield - Danault trio be?

With Kopitar re-signed and playing LW on a 2 year $5m/year deal.

Hockey isn't like basketball where stars matter more. I mean we had a lot of fantastic players with the 2012/2014 Cups, but none that were McDavid/Crosby types. I don't think you need that to win. I would love to get him on a discount if you could sell him on winning a Cup later in his career.

you are right, however most truly franchise players do not go their careers without a cup. Yes there are hall of famers but the best of the best typically get one. When McDavid got drafted by Edmonton, I said well if the Oilers keep him he will bring a cup there in his career. I still think that, although they have not built the right group around.

 

[FSL KINGS]

That would be good.
I'm just thinking preseason - since QB is up to 225 lbs, is now 20 and has some games played - to not put him out there with Gabe, Kaliyev, Kupari - but get him top minutes with Fiala and Kempe and see how he does.
He's now at his best, health wise, more muscle, a decent amount of games (and maybe hunger) and the best way to gauge where he's at, is to give him the best talent (regardless if he ends up with Kupari, Gabe)

And then give Kopitar Kupari and Gabe, giving them the best center and see where they are at.

Byfield has 2 years left on his contract. Play him with Iafallo & Lemieux until he re-signs. Don't want to boost his stats & end up paying him 8.3 on his next contract.

Re Clarke I def. want him to get his 9 games but seeing how much he got beat up by the rookie tourney I'm not sure I want him amongst men all season quite yet.

The dude has a mouth on him and gets targeted for a reason.

Doughty can teach Clarke how to Reign it in.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Hockey isn't like basketball where stars matter more. I mean we had a lot of fantastic players with the 2012/2014 Cups, but none that were McDavid/Crosby types. I don't think you need that to win. I would love to get him on a discount if you could sell him on winning a Cup later in his career.

You can guarantee money much more than you can a Cup.

You don't take a discount at 27 to win. You take a discount at 34 if you haven't won, after you've made your money.

Players have beaten so many odds to get to where they are, they believe they can win whatever you pay them. The cap is management's problem. Players never wanted the cap. Every guy wants as much money as they can get, as soon as they can get it. That's signing bonuses, front loaded contracts, etc.

 

[JTeller97]

Anyone know if training camp is open to the public? If so has there been a schedule released anywhere?

 

[All The Kings Men]

Anyone know if training camp is open to the public? If so has there been a schedule released anywhere?

Toyota Sports Performance Center is open to the public. Training camp, development camp and pretty much every other thing that happens here is open to the public. There are areas that are off limits but generally speaking you can come and watch every second of training camp.

 

[Sol]

QB seems like a true LA king with his inability to score goals. but he passes well. Bring in MATTHEWS

 

[Kurrilino]

Ah, I thought I sorted by goals and apparently I didn't.

The previous full season unaffected by COVID (2018-19) only had 45 30+ goal scorers. This year had 51. That's less than 2 30+ goal-scorers per team. Kings had 0 30-goal scorers the two years they won the cup.

You were waiting for something like that, because you know absolutes like this are fundamentally flawed, but it's the only way you can defend this stance of letting otherwise quality players walk.

Edit: PS, Colorado's top-3 goal scorers combined a total of 98 goals. Edmonton's top 2 goal-scorers potted 99. And Hyman had 27. By your logic, they should have easily been able to beat Colorado.

The definition of quality players seems to be where our differences are.

Moore being a quality player is a point of view.
Him being a 3rd liner, scoring 17 goals would make him high quality
Moore scoring 17 goals as top 6 winger makes him low quality

I don't even know what else to say at this point.
The Kings have been at the bottom of the league for years and years now and people want to change that by doing exactly what we did through those years.

I really don't want to turn into one of the mediocre teams, that barely make the playoff here and there and L.A. has already an image where players go to end their careers.

This is mostly the reason why i reach for the stars, if you demand top player salary, you better deliver top player performances.
Kopitar 19 goals and 69 points for $10mill is a disaster
Iafallo $4 mill for 17 goals is atrocious
Arvidson 4,2 mill for 20 goals and playing like a brain dead zombie is disgusting

For real, why are you guys so terrified of letting people like that go?
If we can't replace a 17 goal scorer from within out system, we have bigger problems then extending Moore or Arvidson.

Khaliev scored 14, playing very limited minutes and for a fraction of our "quality" players.
His future is bright and the team has to be build around his age group, not creating a veteran reunion tour at the cost of our youngsters

 

[SmytheKing]

Kopitar 19 goals and 69 points for $10mill is a disaster

He has averaged 24 goals and 47 assists for 71 points over his entire career and is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer and you think having a season just below that average is a disaster? Ok then I guess.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I really don't want to turn into one of the mediocre teams, that barely make the playoff here and there and L.A. has already an image where players go to end their careers.

In 2022, I'm struggling with this one...examples?

This is mostly the reason why i reach for the stars, if you demand top player salary, you better deliver top player performances.
Kopitar 19 goals and 69 points for $10mill is a disaster
Iafallo $4 mill for 17 goals is atrocious
Arvidson 4,2 mill for 20 goals and playing like a brain dead zombie is disgusting

What is the going rate for a 20-goal scorer these days? And let's be clear about VA, he only played 66 games -- and which part of that was he playing like a zombie? lol, are we talking about the same player?