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In 2011-2012 in a year they were turning the page to contenders they broke camp with the corpses of Ethan Moreau and Trent Hunter on the roster, so nothing would surprise me.

I thought Thompson was done his final season here, cool guy, but completely shocked he has hung on this long in the league.

kilowatt said:
When Vilardi and JAD get claimed on waivers and Thompson is on the opening night roster, will I legally be able to complain then?
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The odds of either amounting to anything are pretty small, whether in LA or elsewhere. People on every team board think their failed youth are going to get claimed and go be good somewhere else. Most of the time they clear waivers because teams would rather keep their own fringe youth over other teams fringe youth, or if they get claimed it’s by a bad team throwing a dart, and then they get waived again early in the season when the new team comes to the same conclusion as the original team.

There are some exceptions, but this is how it usually plays out with guys like this if they don’t make the team out of camp and hit waivers.
 
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Herby said:
In 2011-2012 in a year they were turning the page to contenders they broke camp with the corpses of Ethan Moreau and Trent Hunter on the roster, so nothing would surprise me.

I thought Thompson was done his final season here, cool guy, but completely shocked he has hung on this long in the league.



The odds of either amounting to anything are pretty small, whether in LA or elsewhere. People on every team board think their failed youth are going to get claimed and go be good somewhere else. Most of the time they clear waivers because teams would rather keep their own fringe youth over other teams fringe youth, or they get claimed it’s by bad teams throwing a dart and then get waived again early in the season when the new team comes to the same conclusion as the original team.

There are some exceptions, but this is how it usually plays out with guys like this if they don’t make the team out of camp and hit waivers.
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For sure. Totally agree. But let's not waive them in favor of Nate Thompson 😂 If Kupari, Kaliyev, and Byfield beat them out, then ya, they shouldn't be playing. We probably should have tried to trade them last year though.
 
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Herby said:
The odds of either amounting to anything are pretty small, whether in LA or elsewhere. People on every team board think their failed youth are going to get claimed and go be good somewhere else. Most of the time they clear waivers because teams would rather keep their own fringe youth over other teams fringe youth, or they get claimed it’s by bad teams throwing a dart and then get waived again early in the season when the new team comes to the same conclusion as the original team.

There are some exceptions, but this is how it usually plays out with guys like this if they don’t make the team out of camp and hit waivers.
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I think JAD will be a quality NHL player.

Vilardi on the other hand has been given ample opportunity and has declined each season. I doubt he'll amount to much.
 
johnjm22 said:
I think JAD will be a quality NHL player.

Vilardi on the other hand has been given ample opportunity and has declined each season. I doubt he'll amount to much.
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I was high on him in the past, but in a kind of make or break season last year JAD was just totally unimpressive in the NHL. He has a larger path to an NHL role due to his playing stye and positional versatility but last year just left a bad taste. But yes in theory he should be able to at least be an energy guy on the 4th line as either a C or a wing.

Vilardi just has a much more narrow path, if he makes it he will have to be in a scoring role on the wing, somewhere that includes PP time, and that is just a tough sell with his abysmal skating. I could see a Chicago or Arizona type team making a dart throw if he hits waivers, based on his draft pedigree. But with the skating and the way the game is played now it’s just going to be an uphill battle to stick on anything but really bad teams.
 
Herby said:
In 2011-2012 in a year they were turning the page to contenders they broke camp with the corpses of Ethan Moreau and Trent Hunter on the roster, so nothing would surprise me.

I thought Thompson was done his final season here, cool guy, but completely shocked he has hung on this long in the league.



The odds of either amounting to anything are pretty small, whether in LA or elsewhere. People on every team board think their failed youth are going to get claimed and go be good somewhere else. Most of the time they clear waivers because teams would rather keep their own fringe youth over other teams fringe youth, or if they get claimed it’s by a bad team throwing a dart, and then they get waived again early in the season when the new team comes to the same conclusion as the original team.

There are some exceptions, but this is how it usually plays out with guys like this if they don’t make the team out of camp and hit waivers.
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Most teams aren't waiving 5 years worth of 1st and 2nd rounders either, though, so regardless of whether you think they'll be something, it would be terrible asset management on a numeber of levels.
 
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johnjm22 said:
I think JAD will be a quality NHL player.

Vilardi on the other hand has been given ample opportunity and has declined each season. I doubt he'll amount to much.
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Curious how many goals you would have expected out of a full season Vilardi.
 
kilowatt said:
For sure. Totally agree. But let's not waive them in favor of Nate Thompson 😂 If Kupari, Kaliyev, and Byfield beat them out, then ya, they shouldn't be playing. We probably should have tried to trade them last year though.
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Don't worry, we get to go thru this again next year with up to 7 kids!
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Most teams aren't waiving 5 years worth of 1st and 2nd rounders either, though, so regardless of whether you think they'll be something, it would be terrible asset management on a numeber of levels.
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I agree 100%

We should have done what NYR did with Lias and cashed out for 2nd or 3rd’s probably last summer once it became apparent that neither guy likely had a future here. And it was apparent with the play of Lizotte and the Danault signing. I assume they probably looked down that path this summer, but a alot changes in a year and no team is going to give up much for 23 year old AAAA players entering waiver eligibility that if they really want they could claim for nothing.

Now there is a pretty good chance they are going to damage the development of a player who should be in the NHL this season so they can not have egg on their face and lose these guys to waivers.

It was awful asset management and as you said it will continue again next season with more players coming to waivers.

This is not the way it’s supposed to be.

But hey

“Barely old enough to buy a beer”
“Patience”
“I have faith”
“Learn the system in the AHL for 3 years”

Isn’t that what the defenders say?
Just completely ignorance to the waiver rules and when young players (especially high picks) are supposed to either make the team and contribute or be moved on from.
 
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I agree 100%

We should have done what NYR did with Lias and cashed out for 2nd or 3rd’s probably last summer once it became apparent that neither guy likely had a future here. And it was apparent with the play of Lizotte and the Danault signing.

Now there is a pretty good chance they are going to damage the development of a player who should be in the NHL this season so they can not have egg on their face and lose these guys to waivers.

It was awful asset management and as you said it will continue again next season with more players coming to waivers.
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They should have done that but I think they were somewhat in the teams plans. Lias was protected from Seattle and him and Vilardi looked real good coming into the season. Lizotte looked poor in camp and even in the beginning of the season but was only in the lineup cause Byfield was injured and JAD didnt require waivers. Looking back its easy to say it was a failure but I think the way it has shaken out is not what was planned. Maybe a more realistic timeline to trade them was right when Lizotte came on strong during the season or at the deadline last season.

Also they probably wanted bodies in case of covid. They maybe didnt think Danult Moore and Kempe would have had those kind of seasons. Maybe they questioned Arvidssons health and how many games hed play.
I guess what Im saying is I can see the reasoning for keeping them last summer but into the season and this offseason they for sure should have been moved.
 
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GKJ said:
Doubt he’d hang around biding time in the AHL.
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I think at this stage in his career, he might be happy just being around the game and employed, even in the AHL. It could also potentially lead to him getting involved in an off-ice/coaching role, kind of like what happened with Mark Hardy in the later stages in his career when he was a player in the minors while also serving as an assistant coach, and then transitioned into a coaching position.

Seems like Nate is also very well liked, as I see a lot of former players saying good things about him, and even some Philly reporters as well.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
I think at this stage in his career, he might be happy just being around the game and employed, even in the AHL. It could also potentially lead to him getting involved in an off-ice/coaching role, kind of like what happened with Mark Hardy in the later stages in his career when he was a player in the minors while also serving as an assistant coach, and then transitioned into a coaching position.

Seems like Nate is also very well liked, as I see a lot of former players saying good things about him, and even some Philly reporters as well.
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He definitely belongs in the AHL because that's the level of player he is, but If he's ready for coaching, he doesn't need to spend time in the minors as a player to do it, that doesn't really happen anymore. This is a league where everyone already knows everyone else, if that was in his line of thinking at all, he probably would've just stayed here since we hire every shitty former Flyer possible.

Don't really see why him being well-liked does anything. That was specifically why the Flyers brought him back. They based all last offseason bringing in guys who like each other, but then again, we are a clownshow organization. The Philly media - nobody with any sense takes what most of them they say seriously. They loved Keith Yandle too.

Did give us one of the highlights of he season when upon Nathan Bastian was going after Giroux, Thompson clowned him so hard that Seattle waived him.

But he's a sub-zero-sum guy. The Kings don't need him sucking up ice time from players who need it.
 
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Kings could sign Nate and send him to Ontario and call him back up and not waive JAD or Vilardi.

Remember also Arvidsson might be not be ready for opening night. The issue is the player who most resembles him and likely his replacement is Fagemo. So the Kings would be calling up another kid and still sitting JAD and Vilardi.

I see JAD eventually taking Lizotte’s spot on the 4th line but I don’t see where Vilardi fits anymore now or in the future unless Byfield totally takes a dump and the Kings send him to the AHL.

Lemieux, Grundstrom and Kayilev all will likely be everyday players this season. Lemeiux because the Kings lack toughness and his play the first half of the season, Kayilev because of the overall year he had and Grundstrom because of his playoff performance.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
So JAD to Seattle via waivers and Lizotte to Minnesota for future considerations, then?

I don't even know if it's satire anymore.
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Why would they have to move Lizotte? There is no way Thompson is beating out Lizotte for a roster spot. Lizotte secured his spot last season, he was one of the better 4th line centers in the league.

If any of the other waiver wire warriors are lost because it's actually a meritocracy and players like Kupari Turcotte or Fagemo (as examples) outplay JAD, Lias and Vilardi then so be it. The rules are simple, if you can't make an NHL roster by 23 you aren't a kid or a prospect anymore, that is where we are with Lias, Vilardi and JAD.

Still don't see how this effects Lizotte.
 
Lias is going to the AHL - he is the new Martin Frk.

In terms of the NHL squad.

Kempe-Kopitar-Fiala
Fagemo (if Arvidsson isn't healthy)-Danault-Moore
Kayilev or Grundstrom-Byfield-Iaffalo
Lemeiux-Lizotte-Kayilev or Grundstrom
Extra: JAD and Vilardi

As you can see there is no room for anyone unless Byfield bombs camp OR Kupari, Turcotte, Vilardi or JAD beat him out of the spot. He is the only forward in that 12 that is waiver exempt besides Kayilev. Remember that, the only two forwards that are waiver exempt are those two.

I think the Kings will look at this closely. They made the playoffs and are ready to compete, not grow talent anymore in the show. They sat Byfield in the playoffs and other younger players in terms of vets.

This is also how I see the D playing out...

Doughty-Anderson
Durzi-Edler
Roy-Walker
Extra: Moverare

Bjornfot is also waiver exempt - the only player in that group of D.
 
Johnny Utah said:
In terms of the NHL squad.

Kempe-Kopitar-Fiala
Fagemo (if Arvidsson isn't healthy)-Danault-Moore
Kayilev or Grundstrom-Byfield-Iaffalo
Lemeiux-Lizotte-Kayilev or Grundstrom
Extra: JAD and Vilardi
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AK34 will be on the 3rd line not the 4th. Even the Kings FO won't mess that up this year.
If Arvi doesn't start the season, don't count out GV being the one to win that open spot.
 
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Lias is going to the AHL - he is the new Martin Frk.

In terms of the NHL squad.

Kempe-Kopitar-Fiala
Fagemo (if Arvidsson isn't healthy)-Danault-Moore
Kayilev or Grundstrom-Byfield-Iaffalo
Lemeiux-Lizotte-Kayilev or Grundstrom
Extra: JAD and Vilardi

As you can see there is no room for anyone unless Byfield bombs camp OR Kupari, Turcotte, Vilardi or JAD beat him out of the spot. He is the only forward in that 12 that is waiver exempt besides Kayilev. Remember that, the only two forwards that are waiver exempt are those two.

I think the Kings will look at this closely. They made the playoffs and are ready to compete, not grow talent anymore in the show. They sat Byfield in the playoffs and other younger players in terms of vets.

This is also how I see the D playing out...

Doughty-Anderson
Durzi-Edler
Roy-Walker
Extra: Moverare

Bjornfot is also waiver exempt - the only player in that group of D.
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If Arvidsson isn't fully recovered, I envision:

Fiala-Kopitar-Kempe
Moore-Danault-Kaliyev
Iafallo-Byfield-Vilardi
Lizotte, Grundstrom, Lemieux, and Kupari (pick any three)
Extra: JAD or surprise guest

Anderson-Doughty
Edler/Walker-Roy
Bjornfot-Durzi (if he signs)/Walker
Extra: Edler/Walker

although I would prefer to see on D:

Walker-Doughty
Bjornfot-Roy
Anderson-Durzi/Spence
Edler getting some games in place of any of the LD

Big questions as the Kings head into camp are 1. Is Arvidsson ready and healthy? and 2. will Durzi sign? There's maybe a spot open for a forward, and Fagemo has an outside chance at making the team if he has a great camp. Lots of ways to arrange the chairs on D due to Walker's ability to play either side. Moverare might make it as #7/8. I give him a 50% chance.

Edit: I left off the other big question , will Brandt Clarke make the team out of camp?
 
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i know it's likely to get nate into a vet AHL role now that sutter's gone and all that, but it's valid to be worried about the org's intentions given the absolute, complete risk aversion when it comes to the lineup
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It's not though. They already have 16+ forwards you can make a case for, and Ontario already has four 30+ year olds on the roster.
 
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