Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Sol]

The difference between that Kings now and this team. There are no Greene, Mitchell, Nolan, Clifford, or Fraser type players anymore. Sadly.

I wouldn’t include Fraser in the bunch. He sucked and sucked at fighting.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Agreed but he had leadership skills - there is a reason he played parts of 8 NHL seasons.

 

[Kurrilino]

Would you guys do a trade based around Bjornfot for Soucy?

Giving up a lot of potential for pretty much exactly what we need now.

And what would that trade archive?

We trade a 21 year old for a 28 year old for absolutely no reason.
Also Bjornfoot is looking better and more comfortable every game

 

[kilowatt]

I wouldn’t include Fraser in the bunch. He sucked and sucked at fighting.

Maybe, but he was tough, he wasn’t afraid of getting dirty. After the massive disappointments of Trent Hunter and Ethan Moreau, Colin Fraser was a surprising breath of fresh air.

And what would that trade archive?

We trade a 21 year old for a 28 year old for absolutely no reason.
Also Bjornfoot is looking better and more comfortable every game

I agree, not interested in moving Bjornfot for Soucy when I think something like JAD and a second or third could do it.

 

[Schmooley]

I notice a lot of people arent into Bjornfot on here. Hes gonna be a good player. His floor at this point is Scuderi but he is a really smooth skater and he can unlock some offensive potential still.
Its surprising as it seems like an older crowd on here and he plays defense exactly the way we were all taught pre 2000s. Play steady and the less you hear your name called the better. The NHL is different now though and he still can be dynamic.
You used to get benched if you tried to be like Bobby Orr and Brian Leetch!!!

 

[Statto]

I notice a lot of people arent into Bjornfot on here. Hes gonna be a good player. His floor at this point is Scuderi but he is a really smooth skater and he can unlock some offensive potential still.
Its surprising as it seems like an older crowd on here and he plays defense exactly the way we were all taught pre 2000s. Play steady and the less you hear your name called the better. The NHL is different now though and he still can be dynamic.
You used to get benched if you tried to be like Bobby Orr and Brian Leetch!!!

Not to mention he’s 21. There are some seriously misguided expectations on here.

 

[mysterman2]

I notice a lot of people arent into Bjornfot on here. Hes gonna be a good player. His floor at this point is Scuderi but he is a really smooth skater and he can unlock some offensive potential still.
Its surprising as it seems like an older crowd on here and he plays defense exactly the way we were all taught pre 2000s. Play steady and the less you hear your name called the better. The NHL is different now though and he still can be dynamic.
You used to get benched if you tried to be like Bobby Orr and Brian Leetch!!!

totally agreed.....hes younger than Spence- most people overlook that. He was looking great before the injury but that was 2021 in a nutshell.

 

[Sol]

I’m not hard on Bjornfot. There’s just not a lot to love about his game. There’s a few things he does well. And I don’t see that changing over time.

I look at Spence who’s maybe not as good as Bjornfot defensively but his game is a lot more valuable because he can do so much.

I think using this age excuse like everyone did with Forbort is extremely misguided. There’s many times you see what you have in a player and see what they can polish up.

There’s not much polishing to do with Bjornfot because he’s pretty one dimensional.

Look at Durzi, he has a lot of solid tools and if he gets his defensive poise better which I do think he will, he can turn from whipping boy into a really solid d man who does make good passes on the powerPlay, plays with an edge, decent skating, and good offensive iq. Shore up his defense a bit and he can be an extremely effective Swiss Army knife.

Bjornfot plays with zero edge, his offensive ability is limited to taking it to the offensive zone and losing it immediately, and his strengths are good skating and good defensive awareness. That’s not someone I will lose sleep over trading. The same people who were willing to give Forbort eons when he showed some extreme limitations to his abilities are here again making the same case for Bjornfot.

And if I’m wrong tell me what his strengths are and why we should keep him over Spence and Durzi in the line up.

 

[Sol]

totally agreed.....hes younger than Spence- most people overlook that. He was looking great before the injury but that was 2021 in a nutshell.

really gonna use those 2 months to justify why Spence has shown a lot more ability and skill than Bjornfot? Lol

same draft Spence 95th overall, Bjornfot 22nd overall.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Spence to Bjornfot is apples to oranges.

He's absolutely not exciting and that's his biggest drawback.

However his criticisms predraft reminded me of those of Roland McKeown--no real weaknesses, does everything very well, but no one particular thing great. It's tough to find an identity there. That being said I think he's being unfairly punished twofold--once for looking like dog shit after returning from injury last year (when the larger sample size is a very good player), once for being the prototypical 'boring' Kings low-event defensive LHD.

I think his talents are being sold a bit short though. He's a VERY good skater, can equally lug or pass the puck out of the zone, at his best he was incredible under heavy pressure, and very good defensively with his stick and positioning. His propensity to get outmuscled and limited offensive upside will likely keep him off the top pairing, but he's at worst a good #4 option...the only real concern with Bjornfot at this point is he's redundant in a defensive lineup of guys his size...can't really roll him out as 'shutdown' next to Roy who also is limited in size, can't roll him out next to Durzi as they get trucked, can't roll him out next to Doughty because Anderson, Walker similar to Durzi...so who does he play with? He doesn't seem to 'fit' at this time or have chemistry, at least until we have some more size on D.

 

[Choralone]

Bjornfot has more offensive upside. Yawney called him out for essentially playing TOO safe, and wants to see him make more "mistakes" next year as he pushes the envelope. I think it is absolutely too early to pencil in his ceiling.

 

[Sol]

I’d rather have space on this roster Voynovs than Scuderis.

I know they’re very different players. However that’s why I don’t see anything special about Bjornfot. If he had Scuderis size then that’d a different story.

I have nothing against Bjornfot. But when it comes to the logjam at D he’s the least interesting and the least needed. The Dmen can’t score. Spence and Durzi are capable of that at least.

Bjornfot would be SEL fodder if his skating wasn’t very good because he doesn’t do anything else good enough. Very solid defensive awareness and very good skating. Nothing else.

That’s why I’d rather trade him in a package for Soucy.

Plus I absolutely love Spence. I see him being a better Voynov and god knows we needed that

 

[Kingspiracy]

And what would that trade archive?

We trade a 21 year old for a 28 year old for absolutely no reason.
Also Bjornfoot is looking better and more comfortable every game

Different players, Unless Bjornfot can grow a bit more and put up some points.

Last season Soucy put up 10 goals in 64 games from the blueline.

He's only just turned 28 too.

I do like Bjornfot, but worry that hes a bit too vanilla. Obviously hes done well playing the minutes he has at his age and his game will evolve. Will he ever be as good as Soucy?

Maybe, but he was tough, he wasn’t afraid of getting dirty. After the massive disappointments of Trent Hunter and Ethan Moreau, Colin Fraser was a surprising breath of fresh air.



I agree, not interested in moving Bjornfot for Soucy when I think something like JAD and a second or third could do it.

I doubt Jad and a 2nd gets Soucy

 

[KingsHockey24]

Gagne?

It's the massage therapist guy.

 

[Sol]

Kings need someone who can answer on defense. As simple as that.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah don't get me started, I already said I'd do dirty things to get Soucy on this team. I think LAK would get 5 great years out of him.

And then the ads showed up.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Wasn’t meant to be idiotic. You implied that Durzi would be holding out or acting a specific way, I’m just wondering why. Was it a joke? I just literally didn’t understand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It was just a take... inferring that since those deals arent done yet, it seemed logical that there is some negotiation going on between both players agents and the org... i cant think of another reason why the deals arent done yet since if both parties agree you would want to lock it down because they have already gotten a qualifying offer and could sign elsewhere.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Sorry Bjornfot will start the year in the AHL. Edler is a way more effective and physical player and adds leadership to a young D.

Anderson-Doughty
Edler-Durzi
Walker-Roy
Moverare

That is how it plays out based on contracts, what Blake has said, and waiver eligibility. Quote me on this unless something goes sideway with Durzi or Anderson's contracts.

Both Fox/Faust and Nickson/Evans all said on their broadcasts that Bjornfot has to find something he is good at and focus on that. Right now he is not physical, not offensive, and not Scuderi with his stick. So he better go to the AHL and figure out what he wants to be otherwise he will be bust, trade fodder, or just a depth D man.

-12 in 70 games, 0 goals and 8 assists - those are Toby's stats. Terrible.

Moverare had 3 assists in 19 games, has 3 inches, on Toby and is 150K cheaper for a team against the cap.

 

[Sol]

I legit don’t want Edler on this team. He provides nothing but intangibles and a silver beard. He has no footspeed and constantly gets walked.

Get rid of Edler, Walker, Bjornfot.
Bring in Spence and Soucy.

What’s happened with this cheap site? Cheap ass bitches running this site it seems.

 

[Kudelski37]

I see Bjornfot as the mirror image of Martinez. Both are real good skaters that were one dimensional when they were first up. Martinez was focused on O, but needed work on d play. Bjornfot is focused on d play, but needs to be more assertive in the o zone. Like Martinez, I think Bjornfot will develop a physical side to his game.

 

[Kurrilino]

I’m not hard on Bjornfot. There’s just not a lot to love about his game. There’s a few things he does well. And I don’t see that changing over time.

I look at Spence who’s maybe not as good as Bjornfot defensively but his game is a lot more valuable because he can do so much.

I think using this age excuse like everyone did with Forbort is extremely misguided. There’s many times you see what you have in a player and see what they can polish up.

There’s not much polishing to do with Bjornfot because he’s pretty one dimensional.

Look at Durzi, he has a lot of solid tools and if he gets his defensive poise better which I do think he will, he can turn from whipping boy into a really solid d man who does make good passes on the powerPlay, plays with an edge, decent skating, and good offensive iq. Shore up his defense a bit and he can be an extremely effective Swiss Army knife.

Bjornfot plays with zero edge, his offensive ability is limited to taking it to the offensive zone and losing it immediately, and his strengths are good skating and good defensive awareness. That’s not someone I will lose sleep over trading. The same people who were willing to give Forbort eons when he showed some extreme limitations to his abilities are here again making the same case for Bjornfot.

And if I’m wrong tell me what his strengths are and why we should keep him over Spence and Durzi in the line up.

I guess this is all a matter of point of view.
The major task of a defender is to prevent opponents from scoring.
If this is perfected and some space to develop some offense it's a bonus.

Spence and Durzi and the opposite.
They have no tolls whatsoever to prevent any opponent from scoring against us.
We have Doughty, Roy and Clarke soon, to drive the offence, what we need is stay at home defenders who close up our zone

Same issue with our offence. The main focus of the top 6 is to force our game on the opponent and score.
Everyone in there is praised for something else but scoring and the only scoring winger in Kaliev is kept on the 4th line.

This is why our team is so dysfunctional
We don't have attackers that can score and we have defenders that can't defend.

Blake is on the right track, we need speed and size and players have the fill the correct role or no trade will be made.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I see Bjornfot as the mirror image of Martinez. Both are real good skaters that were one dimensional when they were first up. Martinez was focused on O, but needed work on d play. Bjornfot is focused on d play, but needs to be more assertive in the o zone. Like Martinez, I think Bjornfot will develop a physical side to his game.

Martinez used to be a big hitter - re-watch the 2012 playoffs. Bjornfot has not showed this type of game.

 

[Sol]

I guess this is all a matter of point of view.
The major task of a defender is to prevent opponents from scoring.
If this is perfected and some space to develop some offense it's a bonus.

Spence and Durzi and the opposite.
They have no tolls whatsoever to prevent any opponent from scoring against us.
We have Doughty, Roy and Clarke soon, to drive the offence, what we need is stay at home defenders who close up our zone

Same issue with our offence. The main focus of the top 6 is to force our game on the opponent and score.
Everyone in there is praised for something else but scoring and the only scoring winger in Kaliev is kept on the 4th line.

This is why our team is so dysfunctional
We don't have attackers that can score and we have defenders that can't defend.

Blake is on the right track, we need speed and size and players have the fill the correct role or no trade will be made.

You’re right about a lot of thing and I don’t disagree conceptually. Why I disagree is that. Doughty is on his way out, Roy is not good offensively. Clarke is the only tool for the near future. I am not very high on Roy just to give you my bias.

That’s why I heavily favor 2 way dmen right now because we can’t score on offense and our defenseman suck.

I’m not for one dimensional players unless they’re extremely good in that on dimension.

That’s why I want Edler gone, that’s why I want Walker gone, that’s why I want Bjornfot gone. What he brings is just not good enough to justify how one dimensional he is. If he had any bite in his game I’d be much more interested in keeping him. I don’t want more p***yes on this team.

If we can get Bjornfot + gone for Soucy I’d absolutely do it.

Bjornfot is a p***y. I am sick and tired of p***yes on this team.

 

[johnjm22]

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What’s happened with this cheap site? Cheap ass bitches running this site it seems.

I keep getting this ad:

 

[Sol]

I keep getting this ad:

Do they seriously not have any normal advertiser services they could have coupled with rather than letting sleazy limewire type ads