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Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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GoldenBearHockey said:
Well, lets look,

Players with the same ice time.....average...3rd line etc, 16 minutes or less

Oilers

Foegle, 15 points
Kassian, 14 points
Mcleod, 7 points
Ryan, 6 points

Calgary

Mangianope - 25 points
Monahan - 19
Lucic - 16
Coleman - 15
Dube - 11

Los Angeles

Moore - 23
Brown - 20
Kaliyev - 13
Lizotte - 13
Grundstrom - 9
Kupari - 9

Vegas

Janmark - 16
Howden - 16
Kolesar - 15
Carrier - 13


Tell me again how Brown is dragging the team into the depths of despair..
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King's record against the division isn't great. They have a lot of division games coming up & soon. Improvement is needed if they want to keep up with other teams. Biggest spots for improvement in the top 9 are 22 & 23's spots.

Great that Flames are playing well enough to be successful with Lewis & Lucic. King's have 1 line rolling. They need another line up & going.
 
I believe it was mentioned earlier the Kings record against the division is still influenced a lot by all the losses in the first seven games of the season. Since then we have a winning record against the division.
 
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Fat Elvis said:
I wonder if Brown would be interested in resigning on a one year deal for a reduced role. My guess is that he knows his time is short. I need to appreciate Brown more, because he will be missed when he decides to hang em up.
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His play has really been dropping off as the season has progressed. Not sure how much he’ll have left in the tank when next season rolls around. I just don’t know if he’ll want to be a healthy scratch next year for 15-20 games, so not sure if he will resign with us. And when he does play, where will that be? PP? No way. Top 9? Doubtful. 4th line? Don’t think he’ll be able to keep up with Lizotte or JAD.

I’m wondering if a young team like Buffalo might want him for a year to help mentor their youngsters. Don’t know if he’ll want to leave LA or not.
 
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FSL KINGS said:
King's record against the division isn't great. They have a lot of division games coming up & soon. Improvement is needed if they want to keep up with other teams. Biggest spots for improvement in the top 9 are 22 & 23's spots.

Great that Flames are playing well enough to be successful with Lewis & Lucic. King's have 1 line rolling. They need another line up & going.
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And yet Brown is in the top half of the league for points, for guys that average 16 minutes of ice or less.....he's 3rd best on the 4 teams mentioned, who do you think should replace Brown....if you had your druthers.....
 
Reclamation Project said:
Not kidding at all. It was outrageous they took the C off him and now way after that they give him an A? Bush league move and insulting.
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yeah, it put that black cloud over the org for years and only now are we're coming out of it. Once Carter was moved, he inherited the " A " i guess. Stupid move by DL to cave into the demands of a coach.
 
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kingsfan said:
I believe it was mentioned earlier the Kings record against the division is still influenced a lot by all the losses in the first seven games of the season. Since then we have a winning record against the division.
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Hopefully this is true & the recent memories of AZ & SJ were flukes. Timo? Seriously?


GoldenBearHockey said:
And yet Brown is in the top half of the league for points, for guys that average 16 minutes of ice or less.....he's 3rd best on the 4 teams mentioned, who do you think should replace Brown....if you had your druthers.....
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Brown hasn't been fumbling the puck as much lately, but Brown on a line with a rookie center making unforced errors isn't helping.

Internal replacements? Vilardi. You could replace AA with Vilardi, but lack of speed on wings with Brown & Vilardi on the same line could be an issue.

Right now teams that are out of the playoffs & may be looking to trade someone young with upside? Florida adding Sam Reinhart comes to mind.

Pettersson out of Van: bad year & new gm may see him as an expensive wing & not a 1 or 2C.

Laine: needs a long term deal, arbitration eligible. Can force 1 year deal to UFA.

Keller: too expensive for a 5,000 seat arena.

WPG: seems like they may want to cut some costs & restructure. Have some useful pieces.

More options in free agency after the season. Forsberg & Gaudreau. With this type of acquisition it's waiting for the right opportunity & the player to become available. Going to take some luck.
 
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Brown will be 38 in November. He's only going to get slower and his skills worse. To think he would even be the equivalent of his declining self next season is foolhardy. And I hate him so much that his signature is the only one in my Kings commemorative 2012 Cup book. I made the other guys in his signing group, including AI sign a napkin instead :laugh:.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Well, lets look,

Players with the same ice time.....average...3rd line etc, 16 minutes or less

Oilers

Foegle, 15 points
Kassian, 14 points
Mcleod, 7 points
Ryan, 6 points

Calgary

Mangianope - 25 points
Monahan - 19
Lucic - 16
Coleman - 15
Dube - 11

Los Angeles

Moore - 23
Brown - 20
Kaliyev - 13
Lizotte - 13
Grundstrom - 9
Kupari - 9

Vegas

Janmark - 16
Howden - 16
Kolesar - 15
Carrier - 13


Tell me again how Brown is dragging the team into the depths of despair..
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Moore got all of his points on the second line in the new year and Brown played a lot of the season on the top line. Are any of those players are on their teams top pp unit like Brown? This is disingenuous and you know its not the whole picture.
 
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driller1 said:
Sorry, but I completely disagree.

I couldn't give a rats ass if they benched Brown every other game during the regular season, but there sure as hell aren't any kids from Ontario (now that Byfield and Arty are already on the Kings) that I'd want suiting up in Game 1 of the playoffs. I want someone who's been there and done that to lead the charge (and drill someone through the boards to set the tone). One of the most iconic plays from the '12 playoffs was Brownie absolutely destroying one of the Sedins and setting the tone. This year, he absolutely wrecked Suzuki on 3 vs 3 hockey which directly led to a OT win.

Make no mistake, Brown won't be sniffing the Top 6, but that's OK. He's got a role for the playoffs that the kids just aren't capable of.
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2012 is 10 years ago and that play vs Suzuki was just after he nearly cost the team the game
 
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Need to move on from brown aa and gruntrom. Should have done it last offseason. Gatekeepers for younger players
 
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FSL KINGS said:
Hopefully this is true & the recent memories of AZ & SJ were flukes. Timo? Seriously?




Brown hasn't been fumbling the puck as much lately, but Brown on a line with a rookie center making unforced errors isn't helping.

Internal replacements? Vilardi. You could replace AA with Vilardi, but lack of speed on wings with Brown & Vilardi on the same line could be an issue.

Right now teams that are out of the playoffs & may be looking to trade someone young with upside? Florida adding Sam Reinhart comes to mind.

Pettersson out of Van: bad year & new gm may see him as an expensive wing & not a 1 or 2C.

Laine: needs a long term deal, arbitration eligible. Can force 1 year deal to UFA.

Keller: too expensive for a 5,000 seat arena.

WPG: seems like they may want to cut some costs & restructure. Have some useful pieces.

More options in free agency after the season. Forsberg & Gaudreau. With this type of acquisition it's waiting for the right opportunity & the player to become available. Going to take some luck.
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You mean the guy who played his way off the team? I mean sure, if you want to give him a shot....but I don't know why you think Vilardi would be an improvement over anyone at this point.

As far as adding players, you want to add players to a logjam of forwards? Any player off of those teams is gonna be at one helluva price...
 
Schmooley said:
2012 is 10 years ago and that play vs Suzuki was just after he nearly cost the team the game
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And you think Turcotte's "elite edge work" or Fagemo's "all around game" is better suited for 3rd line playoff action? Who's going to finish checks and make the other physically hurt?

I get it. People hate Brown. But come playoff time when the game is heavier, you want Brown's physicality in a bottom 6 role. We aren't competing in the pillow fight championships.
 
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driller1 said:
And you think Turcotte's "elite edge work" or Fagemo's "all around game" is better suited for 3rd line playoff action? Who's going to finish checks and make the other physically hurt?

I get it. People hate Brown. But come playoff time when the game is heavier, you want Brown's physicality in a bottom 6 role. We aren't competing in the pillow fight championships.
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No you dont get it. No one hates Brown. You are just delusional about his play. If Brown actually does the things you are saying no one would have a problem with him. You act like he scores and hits regularly. What was the last nice hit he made? That Montreal game was a long time ago now. Turcotte getting in the lineup is more important than watching the corpse of Dustin Brown on a farewell tour right now. Fagemo isnt better than Brown right now so yea you are right about that. There are a lot of other options also besides them as the Kings have a ton of depth signed this year. Someone would surely produce better results if given the opportunity to settle in.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
You mean the guy who played his way off the team? I mean sure, if you want to give him a shot....but I don't know why you think Vilardi would be an improvement over anyone at this point.

As far as adding players, you want to add players to a logjam of forwards? Any player off of those teams is gonna be at one helluva price...
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Yup, Brown's play at this point is bringing up the question if the guy that skated to Ontario is a better option. Vilardi has been on a roll recently.

Adding forwards to a logjam of forwards: If you trade multiple pieces to bring in an upgrade at the forward position there's a good chance the logjam is reduced.
 
FSL KINGS said:
Yup, Brown's play at this point is bringing up the question if the guy that skated to Ontario is a better option. Vilardi has been on a roll recently.

Adding forwards to a logjam of forwards: If you trade multiple pieces to bring in an upgrade at the forward position there's a good chance the logjam is reduced.
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Ah yes, the video game mentality, I am going to trade my 3rd line C, RW, LW, 5th D, and a shit ton of draft picks, for your top line LW etc,

OBviously that's a bit of hyperbole, but the guys you mentioned, START at Turcotte/Byfield/Clarke, and a 1st....thats the STARTING price for most of that....

Clearing logjam doesn't mean trading top pieces...

As far as Brown's "play" his "play" is fine, for his role, 3rd line RW.....4th line RW actually if the ice time holds etc....
 
driller1 said:
And you think Turcotte's "elite edge work" or Fagemo's "all around game" is better suited for 3rd line playoff action? Who's going to finish checks and make the other physically hurt?

I get it. People hate Brown. But come playoff time when the game is heavier, you want Brown's physicality in a bottom 6 role. We aren't competing in the pillow fight championships.
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Turcotte plays a heavier, meaner game than Brown nowadays. He just isn't the same player you want him to be. Turcotte is exactly the kind of player you want in the postseason.
 
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