Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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You mean the guy who played his way off the team? I mean sure, if you want to give him a shot....but I don't know why you think Vilardi would be an improvement over anyone at this point.

As far as adding players, you want to add players to a logjam of forwards? Any player off of those teams is gonna be at one helluva price...
You mean the rookie who struggled for a handful of games (when the whole team was trash)? You mean the guy with over a PPG on the Reign? That guy? He's earned his chance to play with the Kings again.
 
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You mean the rookie who struggled for a handful of games (when the whole team was trash)? You mean the guy with over a PPG on the Reign? That guy? He's earned his chance to play with the Kings again.
Seriously. The whole point of sending him down was for him to adjust to wing, improve his defensive game, and start dominating and taking over games again. He's done that, don't know what more can be asked of him as of now, he just needs another shot on the big club and given the opportunity to succeed.
 
Turcotte plays a heavier, meaner game than Brown nowadays. He just isn't the same player you want him to be. Turcotte is exactly the kind of player you want in the postseason.

How about we just make a trade for a right shot forward who can play a solid all around game and maybe chip in a bit of offense from the third line so we don't have to argue about playing a player who is probably retiring at the end of the year vs a player who isn't ready to contribute offensively (and force him to play his off wing on top of that). The Kings have a ton of assets to get a guy like that and there are about a dozen or so teams who are eliminated from playoff contention right now.

Or they could give Vilardi one more shot, although I really don't think they believe he can paly that role or else he'd be up by now instead of not ready guys like Kupari and Turcotte. Either way even if its to showcase him they should give him another look.
 
Hopefully this is true & the recent memories of AZ & SJ were flukes. Timo? Seriously?




Brown hasn't been fumbling the puck as much lately, but Brown on a line with a rookie center making unforced errors isn't helping.

Internal replacements? Vilardi. You could replace AA with Vilardi, but lack of speed on wings with Brown & Vilardi on the same line could be an issue.

Right now teams that are out of the playoffs & may be looking to trade someone young with upside? Florida adding Sam Reinhart comes to mind.

Pettersson out of Van: bad year & new gm may see him as an expensive wing & not a 1 or 2C.

Laine: needs a long term deal, arbitration eligible. Can force 1 year deal to UFA.

Keller: too expensive for a 5,000 seat arena.

WPG: seems like they may want to cut some costs & restructure. Have some useful pieces.

More options in free agency after the season. Forsberg & Gaudreau. With this type of acquisition it's waiting for the right opportunity & the player to become available. Going to take some luck.

Vilardi will get another shot, and he deserves one too. At this point though I think the better plan for him would be to come along on the third line to start and ease up the ice time as he earns it. He was one of our worst forwards to start the season and we were 1-5-1 with him in the lineup, 22-11-6 since. Obviously he's not the only reason for the poor start but I think he's going to need sheltered minutes when he gets back up and placed in a position to succeed and grow. So 10-12 minutes a night, likely not part of a main scoring line. Not what people want but they should be looking at the long term picture with him, not just next season, especially if he's going to move to the wing.

I doubt Vancouver moves Pettersson. He keeps this up 12 months from now though and we could be singing a different tune. Hard to trade one of the faces of the franchise just a few weeks after the new GM comes in. If he lights it up after the trade, not a great way to start off your tenure and get the fanbase on your side.

Laine would intrigue me very much. He seems to lack motivation but when he's on he's really on. Seems to be doing better under a coach not named John Tortorella which seems to jive with the type of personality he seems to have. Can't see CLB moving him unless the tires fall off again.

Keller I doubt moves until just before 24-25. That's the year his NTC kicks in and it's also the year his salary goes north of $7 mill permanently. He's playing for below his cap hit until then, Arizona will need to hit the cap floor as well so makes sense if they hold him and he's not a UFA anytime soon so no need to look at a deal early unlike Chychrun.

For Winnipeg, I'm not sure I see a fit, at least upfront. I can't see them dealing any key pieces other than possibly Wheeler and his cap hit is to much for us. Lowry interests me but the cap hit is to high for a 3rd line role. Copp also interests me but he's a UFA to be and would be to costly to resign.

Forsberg and Gaudreau are also going to cost a pretty penny. A trade seems like a much more likely option.

The problem with bringing back Brown in any capacity, is do you trust McLellan to not give him extra chances and PP time?

To not give extra chances? Yes. To not give PP time? Nope.
 
This just isn’t the time for trades, it’s time to move on from the aging vets and plug in the prospects we have in order to develop them into better players and actually see what the organization has.

When you have moved on from the glory years, trimmed the fat, and had an honest extended look at prospects at the pro level is when you make trades to address shortcomings.

The time is close for those kind of moves, but it’s just not quite that time.
 
No you dont get it. No one hates Brown. You are just delusional about his play. If Brown actually does the things you are saying no one would have a problem with him. You act like he scores and hits regularly. What was the last nice hit he made? That Montreal game was a long time ago now. Turcotte getting in the lineup is more important than watching the corpse of Dustin Brown on a farewell tour right now. Fagemo isnt better than Brown right now so yea you are right about that. There are a lot of other options also besides them as the Kings have a ton of depth signed this year. Someone would surely produce better results if given the opportunity to settle in.

Turcotte plays a heavier, meaner game than Brown nowadays. He just isn't the same player you want him to be. Turcotte is exactly the kind of player you want in the postseason.

I have no delusions about his play. His offensive production 5 vs 5 screams 3rd line as a previous poster has already demonstrated. (And we know all he does is score 5 vs 5 since he doesn't have any PP points.) I even said in my previous post I don't care if Brown is scratched every other regular season game because we all know he's old. But that doesn't change the fact when money is on the line, he'll show up. There is no doubt in my mind when the playoffs roll around, he will finish his checks and that's what the team will need come playoff time. Dude knows this will be one of his last kicks at the can and I'd be willing to bet he lays it all out there. I just don't think the young guys are quite there yet physically to take on the 3rd Line Grind responsibilities.

And when has Turcotte ever thrown a check? His game is much closer to Iafallo, Moore, or Lizotte than Brown. We have plenty of puck hounds / jitterbugs already on the roster. In fact, Turcotte's ~40 lbs lighter than Brown.

Guys, we're talking 3rd Line. Checking Line. Heavy (literally and figuratively). In the playoffs.
 
I wonder if Brown would be interested in resigning on a one year deal for a reduced role. My guess is that he knows his time is short. I need to appreciate Brown more, because he will be missed when he decides to hang em up.
I hope the Kings don't resign Brown only so we don't have another season of kicking a dead horse on this message board. I do hope the Kings win the Stanley Cup this year so Brown can lift that Cup once more and then ride off into the sunset. That would be special.
 
Turcotte needs to spend the rest of the season on a top line in Ontario and produce. He's not ready for prime time yet.

Best if he gets lots of time in the AHL playoffs this season. I hope they go deep. Turcotte can work on his offensive game and leadership on the Reign. Push to make the team out of training camp in October.
 
I have no delusions about his play. His offensive production 5 vs 5 screams 3rd line as a previous poster has already demonstrated. (And we know all he does is score 5 vs 5 since he doesn't have any PP points.) I even said in my previous post I don't care if Brown is scratched every other regular season game because we all know he's old. But that doesn't change the fact when money is on the line, he'll show up. There is no doubt in my mind when the playoffs roll around, he will finish his checks and that's what the team will need come playoff time. Dude knows this will be one of his last kicks at the can and I'd be willing to bet he lays it all out there. I just don't think the young guys are quite there yet physically to take on the 3rd Line Grind responsibilities.

And when has Turcotte ever thrown a check? His game is much closer to Iafallo, Moore, or Lizotte than Brown. We have plenty of puck hounds / jitterbugs already on the roster. In fact, Turcotte's ~40 lbs lighter than Brown.

Guys, we're talking 3rd Line. Checking Line. Heavy (literally and figuratively). In the playoffs.
I actually wanna see Brown go all out on one last playoff run so im with you on that. I just get confused why people are defending his play this season and think he should be brought back next season. Hes been horrible and you cant post a single stat to change that.
I was sitting next to people that dont follow the Kings and have no bias during the Avalanche game and they were hysterical laughing at Brown. Comparing him to a traffic cone. And he wasnt even as bad that game…
 
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Kempe-Kopitar-Vilardi
Moore/Iafallo-Danault-Arvidson
Iafallo/Moore-Byfield-Brown
Lemieux-Lizotte-Kaliyev

Before season started I wanted Moore, Lemieux and Lizotte all gone to make space for the likes of JAD, Kaliyev, Turcotte, Thomas and/or Fagemo. But those three have really earned their ice.
 
I actually wanna see Brown go all out on one last playoff run so im with you on that. I just get confused why people are defending his play this season and think he should be brought back next season. Hes been horrible and you cant post a single stat to change that.
I was sitting next to people that dont follow the Kings and have no bias during the Avalanche game and they were hysterical laughing at Brown. Comparing him to a traffic cone. And he wasnt even as bad that game…

Yep. You want to see what we're "complaining" about in its full glory? Buy tickets and attend a game where you see the entire ice. It looks even worse in person.
 
How about we just make a trade for a right shot forward who can play a solid all around game and maybe chip in a bit of offense from the third line so we don't have to argue about playing a player who is probably retiring at the end of the year vs a player who isn't ready to contribute offensively (and force him to play his off wing on top of that). The Kings have a ton of assets to get a guy like that and there are about a dozen or so teams who are eliminated from playoff contention right now.

Or they could give Vilardi one more shot, although I really don't think they believe he can paly that role or else he'd be up by now instead of not ready guys like Kupari and Turcotte. Either way even if its to showcase him they should give him another look.

Why wouldn't you want to put a player you have an investment in, known as a huge big game player who thrives in the style of game seen in the playoffs into a position to grow and succeed?

This is not a contender. There is nothing that this organization can do this year that is more valuable than getting their best assets closer to contributing. Adding another veteran forward to the bottom six is just adding sandbags to what needs to be done.
 
Yep. You want to see what we're "complaining" about in its full glory? Buy tickets and attend a game where you see the entire ice. It looks even worse in person.
Brown no longer forechecks or backchecks. He only hits if the opposition puts themselves in position to be hit. His puck recovery and board work were his worst attributes in his prime, he doesn't even try anymore. He just floats around hoping to be fed.

He still has a nice heavy shot, and he can still run the hell out of that Terry Murray breakout.

If Brown still did any of the other things that inspired this sentimentality there would be no point to this discussion. But he just can't do those things anymore.

So do you hope he can marshall his last remaining gasps for a playoff run? Do you make a deal for another vet and move him further down the lineup at Kaliyev or Lemieux's expense? Do you give a kid that shot?

Hope is not a plan.
 
Turcotte plays a heavier, meaner game than Brown nowadays. He just isn't the same player you want him to be. Turcotte is exactly the kind of player you want in the postseason.

I think it begs the question though--would you rather bring the guy on the brink of breaking in or the guy on the brink of hanging them up? I'm not sure there's a right answer. I believe Turcotte is the better player right this moment, but it's arguable that Brown could bring more for a playoff series as his swan song. Not sure How i feel eitehr way there even as a big Turcotte flag waver.


I'm looking for Turcotte's playoff stats and highlights...can't find them. Link?





There are a lot of criticisms of Turcotte that are fair but coming up big in big moments isn't one of them.

Criticizing him for lack of playoff performance before he's even had an opportunity is just swinging at a phantom pitch to look smart.
 
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