Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Statto]

Playing the point on the 2nd unit for a couple games is not a good argument that he got a lot of powerplay time. The 2nd unit got the last 30 seconds of the powerplay when there was no momentum left.

You’re over thinking my post, but I get it reading some of the thread.

I never said ’a lot’, I said ‘some’. I was responding to a specific point in a post that said they didn’t think he’d gotten any at all. I didn’t have specific numbers in front of me. I don’t dispute he didn’t get anywhere near enough or that PP1 was poor and inexplicably overused.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

And I am ok with him trying the stuff in junior and realizing what works and what doesn't. That is part of the development.

Exactly, but Byfield NEVER HAD THAT OPTION.....and this clown is crying about how the Kings system is so horrible compared.....to Montreal.....or Detroit etc......I get it, he's got a hard on for Blake the size you've never seen before.....but it shouldn't be enough to turn one stupid......there's a reason why they say hindsight is 20/20, and this guys trying to use it like he's Nostradamus.....

 

[SmytheKing]

Boldy, played 14 games in the AHL after college.....then spent 10 games into this past season in the AHL and MIN was wracked with injuries, called him up, and he played well.....if you think they didn't get wrecked with injuries, would he be called up? Who knows....oh shit..no....you know....of course you do.....THAT is the dishonest part....

Boldy had 28 points in 24 games in the AHL and three international tournaments where he was at a PPG. He was getting called up as soon as they could find a spot for him.

Byfield had 26 points in 43 games in the AHL and two WJC's where he scored 8 points in 14 games (and one of the games he had 5 points). He wasn't/isn't ready.

 

[Herby]

Again, you said Caufield WANTED TO TURN PRO.....and Montreal said no.....nothing you have posted supports that.....I posted an article that says he was fine with either....

Not sure you know what linear means....because Caufield was anything BUT linear.......jumped in to playoffs, did well.....started the year off in Montreal....was absolutely f***ing putrid....they sent him down......then new coach, fresh start...comes up and does ok.......

Boldy, played 14 games in the AHL after college.....then spent 10 games into this past season in the AHL and MIN was wracked with injuries, called him up, and he played well.....if you think they didn't get wrecked with injuries, would he be called up? Who knows....oh shit..no....you know....of course you do.....THAT is the dishonest part....

Your entire posting history contains 20/20 hindsight bullshit claiming that you would have done things differently because.......



Agreed, his puck protection was brutal....but it wasn't because he was timid.....more that, he thought what he could do in junior would translate to the pros, and it does

Linear being 2 years for NCAA prospects not ready for the NHL and top 2-3 picks learning at the NHL level rather than junior or the AHL. That is the true and trusted way to develop those types of players. Unless you are the Kings Ofcourse.

Hindsight 20/20?

Go back and check the discussions when QB was sent to the AHL instead of the NHL and when Turcotte was signed after his freshman year. There was plenty of debate about how smart those decisions were and how they went against traditional norms for player development. It’s not 20/20 hindsight when people argue those decisions are mistakes and then they turn out to be a mistakes.

Unless ofcourse you just pretend like they aren’t a mistake or say we “shouldn’t question them” (which seems to be the new trend here with you and your crew).

We should go back and check those threads, you again will be on the wrong side. Like everything.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Linear being 2 years for NCAA prospects not ready for the NHL and top 2-3 picks learning at the NHL level rather than junior or the AHL. That is the true and trusted way to develop those types of players. Unless you are the Kings Ofcourse.

Hindsight 20/20?

Go back and check the discussions when QB was sent to the AHL instead of the NHL and when Turcotte was signed after his freshman year. There was plenty of debate about how smart those decisions were and how they went against traditional norms for player development. It’s not 20/20 hindsight when people argue those decisions are mistakes and then they turn out to be a mistakes.

Unless ofcourse you just pretend like they aren’t a mistake or say we “shouldn’t question them” (which seems to be the new trend here with you and your crew).

We should go back and check those threads, you again will be on the wrong side. Like everything.

QB....he had two choices.....AHL or NHL....and he was CLEARLY not ready for the NHL....that was known when he was drafted...so where would you have played him? Or would you have played him at all? Sorry QB....you aren't quite up to NHL standards yet, and that's ok.....but we don't want to ruin you by sending you to the AHL....and I know the OHL isnt playing, so just go home and lift weights, do some suicides etc? What was your great plan?

You have no idea if it's a mistake yet or not....again the kid doesn't even have 2 years in.....f*** you would have traded Draisatl in EDM...right 2 years in he was brutal......that's it...ship him off....lmao holy shit man....

There is NOTHING wrong with saying...it's too early, we don't know yet.....but for the life of you, you can't seem to admit that........

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Boldy had 28 points in 24 games in the AHL and three international tournaments where he was at a PPG. He was getting called up as soon as they could find a spot for him.

Byfield had 26 points in 43 games in the AHL and two WJC's where he scored 8 points in 14 games (and one of the games he had 5 points). He wasn't/isn't ready.

Correct, MN had to find a spot.....right? They got lucky with the injuries and discovered he could play in the NHL....kinda like LA got lucky with Durzi and Spence.....

 

[HookKing]

Durzi and Spence there was no other choice so there was no leash. Until they traded for Stetcher then yea Spence was scratched. So you are wrong.
Lizotte was off the team the year before in favor of JAD and only made it last year after a poor camp because of injuries. So yes he had a leash that he finally broke by stellar play.
Kupari was scratched a ton and even sent back to the ahl. kaliyev was a 4th liner most of the year.
Do you even think about what you type?

He probably just remembers what a short leash actually looks like. How we already forgotten Daryl Sutter?

 

[Schmooley]

He probably just remembers what a short leash actually looks like. How we already forgotten Daryl Sutter?

Sutter doesnt use leashes. He uses shock collars

 

[DoktorJeep]

There was no room for QB on the opening night roster coming out of his first camp. The guys who made the cut were Carter, Vilardi and Lizotte. The Kings kept Carter till the TDL. They prioritized short term results over long term development of their best prospect.

 

[Herby]

QB....he had two choices.....AHL or NHL....and he was CLEARLY not ready for the NHL....that was known when he was drafted...so where would you have played him? Or would you have played him at all? Sorry QB....you aren't quite up to NHL standards yet, and that's ok.....but we don't want to ruin you by sending you to the AHL....and I know the OHL isnt playing, so just go home and lift weights, do some suicides etc? What was your great plan?

You have no idea if it's a mistake yet or not....again the kid doesn't even have 2 years in.....f*** you would have traded Draisatl in EDM...right 2 years in he was brutal......that's it...ship him off....lmao holy shit man....

There is NOTHING wrong with saying...it's too early, we don't know yet.....but for the life of you, you can't seem to admit that........

Sit him down? What nonsense are you spewing? The answer is simple. Give him a no pressure year to play in the NHL, the 2020-2021 Kings were going to be awful no matter what. He should have had a spot on the 2nd line next to a solid vet in Carter and just been able to play and get accustomed to the league with no pressure or worries about making mistakes.

NJ did the same exact thing with Hughes. He has the option to go to the AHL. It was either AHL or NHL and the decision was made to have him in the NHL even though he wasn’t ready. The jump from the USHL to the NHL is more drastic than the jump from the OHL but the Devils let him do it, to get inevitable stuff out of the way. He stunk year 1, took a small step year 2 and exploded year 3. Why couldn’t LA have done the same? Why was the decision made to do all this in a year the team was trying to compete? Todd had to sit him many nights because he was a negative for the Kings during a playoff run, that wouldn’t have been the case the year before. And because of the choices made the last 2 years his development has stalled and suffered.

We know Hughes gained something from being in the NHL at 18, what did QB gain from being in the AHL? Did anything he showed last year make you think he did? He looked just like he would have at 18.
I would have traded Leon Draisaitl coming off a 51 point in 72 game season in his D+2? 51 points in a D+2 is brutal to you? Man you sure do have different standards for players wearing a home plate on their jersey. I personally don’t consider 51 points in 72 games for a 2nd year pro to be brutal, but I guess you do?

 

[Herby]

There was no room for QB on the opening night roster coming out of his first camp. The guys who made the cut were Carter, Vilardi and Lizotte. The Kings kept Carter till the TDL. They prioritized short term results over long term development of their best prospect.

Playing Vilardi over QB last year has turned out to be a very poor decision. Last season the Kings should have been doing everything possible to optimize the development of QB into a productive NHL player. Instead Vilardi got the job and a year later they decided he wasn’t a C anymore and QB struggled in a high pressure payoff race playing on the 4th line.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Playing Vilardi over QB last year has turned out to be a very poor decision. Last season the Kings should have been doing everything possible to optimize the development of QB into a productive NHL player. Instead Vilardi got the job and a year later they decided he wasn’t a C anymore and QB struggled in a high pressure payoff race playing on the 4th line.

I hated that the options pitted Vilardi vs Byfield based on both Kopitar and Carter being assumed locks. Carter was in the east 3 months later for spare parts futures. And he’s goes on to resurrect his career and earn an extension after two post season tourneys. The JAD vs Lizotte competition was just extra sprinkles on the shit sandwich.

It’s typical Blake Kings. Take a leap forward while also tearing a bigger hole in the seat of your pants that you never bother to notice.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Playing Vilardi over QB last year has turned out to be a very poor decision. Last season the Kings should have been doing everything possible to optimize the development of QB into a productive NHL player. Instead Vilardi got the job and a year later they decided he wasn’t a C anymore and QB struggled in a high pressure payoff race playing on the 4th line.

I thought QB struggled because he was 19 and had minimal professional hockey experience...but what do I know?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Sit him down? What nonsense are you spewing? The answer is simple. Give him a no pressure year to play in the NHL, the 2020-2021 Kings were going to be awful no matter what. He should have had a spot on the 2nd line next to a solid vet in Carter and just been able to play and get accustomed to the league with no pressure or worries about making mistakes.

NJ did the same exact thing with Hughes. He has the option to go to the AHL. It was either AHL or NHL and the decision was made to have him in the NHL even though he wasn’t ready. The jump from the USHL to the NHL is more drastic than the jump from the OHL but the Devils let him do it, to get inevitable stuff out of the way. He stunk year 1, took a small step year 2 and exploded year 3. Why couldn’t LA have done the same? Why was the decision made to do all this in a year the team was trying to compete? Todd had to sit him many nights because he was a negative for the Kings during a playoff run, that wouldn’t have been the case the year before. And because of the choices made the last 2 years his development has stalled and suffered.

We know Hughes gained something from being in the NHL at 18, what did QB gain from being in the AHL? Did anything he showed last year make you think he did? He looked just like he would have at 18.
I would have traded Leon Draisaitl coming off a 51 point in 72 game season in his D+2? 51 points in a D+2 is brutal to you? Man you sure do have different standards for players wearing a home plate on their jersey. I personally don’t consider 51 points in 72 games for a 2nd year pro to be brutal, but I guess you do?

Such revisionist bullshit.....Jack Hughes wasn't NHL ready? Really?

Jack Hughes – 2019 NHL Draft Prospect Profile - The Hockey Writers NHL Entry Draft Latest News, Analysis & More

Jack Hughes is as complete a prospect as it gets and has been the consensus No. 1 pick heading into the 2019 NHL Draft for over a year.

thehockeywriters.com

Byfield

Quinton Byfield – 2020 NHL Draft Prospect Profile - The Hockey Writers NHL Entry Draft Latest News, Analysis & More

Once the consensus number two, Quinton Byfield has fallen down some rankings since the beginning on the year. Albeit not too far.

thehockeywriters.com

I dunno see the difference?

 

[Herby]

I thought QB struggled because he was 19 and had minimal professional hockey experience...but what do I know?

Ofcourse that was part of it. But if he was going to struggle and need to learn the NHL wouldn’t it have been more optimal to have him do it the year before in a much easier less pressure filled situation?

Low scoring defense oriented teams playing a bunch of 1 goal games in playoff race is not usually a place you want to be developing players you expect to be franchise players. I don’t think TMac is perfect but Blake put him in a really difficult spot last year with QB. He needed NHL ice time to stay on track in development but TMac was also told to win games last year. A lot of nights last year playing QB and winning games did not go hand in hand. That is not QB’s fault but it is what it is. They did his development no favors the last 2 years.

I’m defending your boy TMac here, he did the best he could but it wasn’t an easy situation. Had they played QB as much as people like RJ and KP wanted I don’t know if they make the playoffs.

 

[HookKing]

I thought QB struggled because he was 19 and had minimal professional hockey experience...but what do I know?

Obviously you don't know about an emerging phenomenon: The helicopter fan boy. Nothing is a players fault/limitations. Its always "development". That magic pill that the whole hockey world knows about except Kings management. Behold:
He should have stayed in college! He wasn't ready for a development league! Look at X.
"He should have gone straight to the NHL!" He couldn't handle NHL 4th line minutes because he spent time in a development league! Look at Y!
You ruined him! He's a center not a winger!
My boy deserves more PP time! He's wasting time learning to forecheck!
We lost Kyle MF Clague to waivers! HORRIBLE ASSET MANAGEMENT!
Defensemen? That's different.
...
I prefer to just blame Trump.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

This forum has gone to hell.

 

[HookKing]

Ofcourse that was part of it. But if he was going to struggle and need to learn the NHL wouldn’t it have been more optimal to have him do it the year before in a much easier less pressure filled situation?

Low scoring defense oriented teams playing a bunch of 1 goal games in playoff race is not usually a place you want to be developing players you expect to be franchise players. I don’t think TMac is perfect but Blake put him in a really difficult spot last year with QB. He needed NHL ice time to stay on track in development but TMac was also told to win games last year. A lot of nights last year playing QB and winning games did not go hand in hand. That is not QB’s fault but it is what it is. They did his development no favors the last 2 years.

I’m defending your boy TMac here, he did the best he could but it wasn’t an easy situation. Had they played QB as much as people like RJ and KP wanted I don’t know if they make the playoffs.

You mean like Kopitar and Doughty under TM?

 

[Herby]

Obviously you don't know about an emerging phenomenon: The helicopter fan boy. Nothing is a players fault/limitations. Its always "development". That magic pill that the whole hockey world knows about except Kings management. Behold:
He should have stayed in college! He wasn't ready for a development league! Look at X.
"He should have gone straight to the NHL!" He couldn't handle NHL 4th line minutes because he spent time in a development league! Look at Y!
You ruined him! He's a center not a winger!
My boy deserves more PP time! He's wasting time learning to forecheck!
We lost Kyle MF Clague to waivers! HORRIBLE ASSET MANAGEMENT!
Defensemen? That's different.
...
I prefer to just blame Trump.

So we can only discuss positive things that the Kings do in development? Of which there has been plenty btw. Why can we talk about the success of some player development but not the failures of others?

You are crazy if you don’t think Alex Turcotte’s development was severely damaged by poor development choices, but we can’t discuss it here?

I mean what can we even talk about here then? Is it only positive things that are acceptable to you guys to talk about?

You mean like Kopitar and Doughty under TM?

Kopitar did not make the playoffs until his fourth year in the league. The Kings finished with the 4th worst, 2nd worst and 5th worst team in the NHL. Kopitar was not sent to ride busses in the AHL at 18 and thrown into a playoff race in a 4th line role at 19 where he was benched or scratched if he made mistakes.

The situations are not comparable in any way.

 

[HookKing]

Ofcourse that was part of it. But if he was going to struggle and need to learn the NHL wouldn’t it have been more optimal to have him do it the year before in a much easier less pressure filled situation?

Low scoring defense oriented teams playing a bunch of 1 goal games in playoff race is not usually a place you want to be developing players you expect to be franchise players. I don’t think TMac is perfect but Blake put him in a really difficult spot last year with QB. He needed NHL ice time to stay on track in development but TMac was also told to win games last year. A lot of nights last year playing QB and winning games did not go hand in hand. That is not QB’s fault but it is what it is. They did his development no favors the last 2 years.

I’m defending your boy TMac here, he did the best he could but it wasn’t an easy situation. Had they played QB as much as people like RJ and KP wanted I don’t know if they make the playoffs.

You mean like Kopitar and Doughty under TM?

So we can only discuss positive things that the Kings do in development? Of which there has been plenty btw. Why can we talk about the success of some player development but not the failures of others?

You are crazy if you don’t think Alex Turcotte’s development was severely damaged by poor development choices, but we can’t discuss it here?

I mean what can we even talk about here then? Is it only positive things that are acceptable to you guys to talk about?


Kopitar did not make the playoffs until his fourth year in the league. The Kings finished with the 4th worst, 2nd worst and 5th worst team in the NHL. Kopitar was not sent to ride busses in the AHL at 18 and thrown into a playoff race in a 4th line role at 19 where he was benched or scratched if he made mistakes.

The situations are not comparable in any way.

They are virtually identical.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

So we can only discuss positive things that the Kings do in development? Of which there has been plenty btw. Why can we talk about the success of some player development but not the failures of others?

You are crazy if you don’t think Alex Turcotte’s development was severely damaged by poor development choices, but we can’t discuss it here?

I mean what can we even talk about here then? Is it only positive things that are acceptable to you guys to talk about?


Kopitar did not make the playoffs until his fourth year in the league. The Kings finished with the 4th worst, 2nd worst and 5th worst team in the NHL. Kopitar was not sent to ride busses in the AHL at 18 and thrown into a playoff race in a 4th line role at 19 where he was benched or scratched if he made mistakes.

The situations are not comparable in any way.

You are talking about the "failures" of development....of kids who are 19 and 20.....think about that for a half a second.....in the middle of a worldwide pandemic.....Turcotte has been bitten by the injury bug multiple times.....but yea....let's talk about their failures......as a 19 year old......just...f***ing wow.

 

[FeartheFur]

Turcotte’s only problems are injuries. That concussion he got from Englund was bullshit by the way. If you look at his numbers they are actually pretty good.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Turcotte’s only problems are injuries. That concussion he got from Englund was bullshit by the way. If you look at his numbers they are actually pretty good.

Naw...your wrong....D+XXXXXXXX he should be first and 2nd line Center....3rd line D......multiple MVP shots.....and be on the cover of SI......otherwise, his development was completely f***ed.

 

[Fishhead]

Byfield didn't have a chance to go back....his 2020 season in the OHL was cancelled so it was AHL or NHL, and he wasn't ready for the NHL....then this past year, he was going to stay up, make the team....and got injured.....not much you can do there.

This is true, I had forgotten about that. Kinda screwed things up for a lot of guys, especially since the other two played.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

This is true, I had forgotten about that. Kinda screwed things up for a lot of guys, especially since the other two played.

Yep, which is why this whole line of failed development is such horseshit.