Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Herby]

Lol you know why they started in the AHL at 20 right?

Yes, I am aware of the CHL-NHL agreement. I am not stupid.

There is no such agreement that requires NCAA players to play until age 20, yet most teams choose to keep their guys in the NCAA at 19 rather than the AHL, why do you think that is?

Why did Turcotte and Kupari start in the AHL at 19?
Why didn't QB go to the NHL like the other 2 guys from his draft did?

Do you think the AHL has been a solid place to develop teenage forwards?

 

[Fishhead]

No argument on the grinding style, somebody else said that and I don't agree. The Kings generated plenty of chances off the rush this season. The Kings system at the NHL and AHL (as you showed) is not causing offensive problems, the problems are caused because the Kings have not been able to acquire enough offensive finishers, specifically with their many high draft picks used on forwards.

One common denominator with almost all those picks was having those players in the AHL before most other NHL teams would have. I don't hate the AHL but in most cases it is not a league for teenage forwards to try and maximize their offensive potential, age 18 and 19 seasons are crucial for development of skills, and that should be the emphasis, much more than getting players into a system prematurely. Everyone is always excited when players join the Reign, but I really don't understand why. For forwards atleast there has not been much to get excited about with that has happened down there with developing skilled players.

Yeah, missing finishers is a problem. I don't think the Kings have had many high draft picks used on forwards though. There's Turcotte and Byfield (who is very young), but before that their last top 10 pick was Schenn. I think the reason for the lack of finishers is that the kings haven't had any high draft picks. Mostly due to ill-advised trades. Looking back at average draft position from 2010-2020, the Kings are at 26.5, mostly because of trades and winning a cup. Colorado in that same span drafted at an average of 13.8 overall, with 6 top 10 picks. Edmonton? 6.5th overall with 9 top 10 picks, 4 of which were 1OA. Teams like that better have some finishers. I don't think the Kings have done particularly well with their 1st rounders, but it's not like they've had prime opportunities.

I understand their AHL strategy, but it has pretty much backfired. With Turcotte I think that was mostly his call, there was a good amount of uncertainty at that time. Byfield though should have went back or stayed up.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Yes, I am aware of the CHL-NHL agreement. I am not stupid.

There is no such agreement that requires NCAA players to play until age 20, yet most teams choose to keep their guys in the NCAA at 19 rather than the AHL, why do you think that is?

Why did Turcotte and Kupari start in the AHL at 19?
Why didn't QB go to the NHL like the other 2 guys from his draft did?

Do you think the AHL has been a solid place to develop teenage forwards?

You tell me you know about the agreement, then go on to ask why teams dont play 19 year olds in the AHL.....

Are you joking?

Turcotte signed his way....you think if he didn't want to, he wouldn't have signed?

Kupari was playing in Europe....and best way to get acclimated to the North American game...is to...wait for it....play in North America....

You are one of the most dishonest posters on this board, it's absolutely incredible.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Yeah, missing finishers is a problem. I don't think the Kings have had many high draft picks used on forwards though. There's Turcotte and Byfield (who is very young), but before that their last top 10 pick was Schenn. I think the reason for the lack of finishers is that the kings haven't had any high draft picks. Mostly due to ill-advised trades. Looking back at average draft position from 2010-2020, the Kings are at 26.5, mostly because of trades and winning a cup. Colorado in that same span drafted at an average of 13.8 overall, with 6 top 10 picks. Edmonton? 6.5th overall with 9 top 10 picks, 4 of which were 1OA. Teams like that better have some finishers. I don't think the Kings have done particularly well with their 1st rounders, but it's not like they've had prime opportunities.

I understand their AHL strategy, but it has pretty much backfired. With Turcotte I think that was mostly his call, there was a good amount of uncertainty at that time. Byfield though should have went back or stayed up.

Byfield didn't have a chance to go back....his 2020 season in the OHL was cancelled so it was AHL or NHL, and he wasn't ready for the NHL....then this past year, he was going to stay up, make the team....and got injured.....not much you can do there.

 

[Trash Panda]

People arguing with themselves is a sure-fire sign that the ignore button is doing a fine job at saving my sanity.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Nothing new, just GBH doing his best to get on everyone's ignore list

 

[Herby]

People arguing with themselves is a sure-fire sign that the ignore button is doing a fine job at saving my sanity.

Nothing new, just GBH doing his best to get on everyone's ignore list

 

[Statto]

It seemed to me the Berenson was a good coach who wasnt too strict with his young players.. there has to be a balance between creativity and systems.. That is what the Kings lack it seems. They want the talented rooks to start in the mail room to some degree.. They did try Vilardi on the 2nd line but other than that, its always being very conservative. I dont think QB got a rep on the PP til the playoffs for example. I also think that TMac is not the right coach for a rebuild phase. But now its too late the rebuild is over, they have to go for it with what they captured during the tank and build via trades. The Kings do seem to be able to develop D talent - so going fwd, they should prob just draft D, develop and trade for O

QB definitely got some regular season pp time. He definitely started on the second unit in the April (ish) game I saw in Minnesota. IIRC he actually started on the left point. I’m disagreeing that he needs far more PP time.

 

[cyclones22]

QB definitely got some regular season pp time. He definitely started on the second unit in the April (ish) game I saw in Minnesota. IIRC he actually started on the left point. I’m disagreeing that he needs far more PP time.

QB absolutely needs far more PP time. 22.5 minutes TOTAL the entire season. How much of that was cleanup duty at the end of the PP? 33 seconds a game. Rarely any of that time was actual quality time.

And just for fun, when he played 6 games as an 18 year old, he got 8 minutes of PP time in 6 games.

 

[Schmooley]

QB definitely got some regular season pp time. He definitely started on the second unit in the April (ish) game I saw in Minnesota. IIRC he actually started on the left point. I’m disagreeing that he needs far more PP time.

Playing the point on the 2nd unit for a couple games is not a good argument that he got a lot of powerplay time. The 2nd unit got the last 30 seconds of the powerplay when there was no momentum left.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Playing the point on the 2nd unit for a couple games is not a good argument that he got a lot of powerplay time. The 2nd unit got the last 30 seconds of the powerplay when there was no momentum left.

He didn't get a lot of PP time....no, I expect that to change next year.....but he doesn't protect the puck enough....it's kind of a catch 22, he has to be on the PP to grow and learn, but his puck protection skills are severely lacking that he will cough the puck up on the PP and kill that momentum.....

 

[cyclones22]

Playing the point on the 2nd unit for a couple games is not a good argument that he got a lot of powerplay time. The 2nd unit got the last 30 seconds of the powerplay when there was no momentum left.

Here's the best part of that, 10.5% of QB's zone starts on the Power Play were defensive zone starts. Less than 2% of Iafallo's Power Play zone starts were dzone. Brown was 3.6%. AK 4%. QB was getting trash PP time, period.

 

[Schmooley]

He didn't get a lot of PP time....no, I expect that to change next year.....but he doesn't protect the puck enough....it's kind of a catch 22, he has to be on the PP to grow and learn, but his puck protection skills are severely lacking that he will cough the puck up on the PP and kill that momentum.....

Yea his puck protection got worse as the season went along. Played like he was scared to make a mistake and in turn made mistakes. Short leash for the kids. Long leash for Iafallo and Brown. Vilardi had a bad first week of the season and got sent down for a long time. Iafallo was bad from january to the end of the season and got put on the third line at the very end for a couple games

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Yea his puck protection got worse as the season went along. Played like he was scared to make a mistake and in turn made mistakes. Short leash for the kids. Long leash for Iafallo and Brown. Vilardi had a bad first week of the season and got sent down for a long time. Iafallo was bad from january to the end of the season and got put on the third line at the very end for a couple games

Yep, short leash for the kids....Kupari, Kaliyev, Durzi, Spence, Lizotte, absolutely no leash for them at all.....

That's a bullshit take......

 

[Schmooley]

Yep, short leash for the kids....Kupari, Kaliyev, Durzi, Spence, Lizotte, absolutely no leash for them at all.....

That's a bullshit take......

Durzi and Spence there was no other choice so there was no leash. Until they traded for Stetcher then yea Spence was scratched. So you are wrong.
Lizotte was off the team the year before in favor of JAD and only made it last year after a poor camp because of injuries. So yes he had a leash that he finally broke by stellar play.
Kupari was scratched a ton and even sent back to the ahl. kaliyev was a 4th liner most of the year.
Do you even think about what you type?

 

[All The Kings Men]

 

[Herby]

You tell me you know about the agreement, then go on to ask why teams dont play 19 year olds in the AHL.....

Are you joking?

Turcotte signed his way....you think if he didn't want to, he wouldn't have signed?

Kupari was playing in Europe....and best way to get acclimated to the North American game...is to...wait for it....play in North America....

You are one of the most dishonest posters on this board, it's absolutely incredible.

Oh sorry, my bad, I didn't know that only CHL players are drafted in the 1st round. Why can't I compare the Kings AHL usage to other teams? You say other teams don't use teenagers in the AHL because of the CHL agreement, well then how are the Kings able to to it so much? You once again are holding the Kings to different standards than everyone else.

So what if Turcotte wanted to leave school? So because a kid who just turned 19 and his agent/family advisor wanted to sign that means the Kings are supposed to oblige and make a poor development decision with a player they took #5 overall? Turcotte had no options other than to go play in Saginaw, Blake held all the cards in that development choice. You are now making excuses for that poor decision by blaming the 19 year old kid and not the GM, truly amazing.

You know who else wanted to leave school early? Caufield. Same draft, same age, same college team, same college coaches but Montreal told him to go back, develop his skills and get stronger. What team made the better development decision? Or can we not discuss that? Is it "dishonest" to question why the Kings went against what almost every other team in the league would have done? It is now apparently dishonest to question anything Blake does.

So Kupari couldn't have come over to NA at 20? Was it completely necessary to pull him after his age 18 season before developing his offensive game to have him riding busses in the AHL? You claim to be an advocate for patience yet you are always pushing for rushing players to the AHL instead of letting them spend a crucial development year working on reaching their offensive ceiling. why? What was the downside to letting Kupari stay in Europe for his age 19 season? What was the upside to letting Kupari stay in Europe for his age 19 season?

Red Berenson always said it and it was 100% correct, there is never any downside to letting a player play an extra year before bringing them in, but their is plenty of downside to bringing them in to early. We have unfortunately learned that with some the choices Blake has made.

You still fail to answer again (for literally the 3rd time) why the Kings prospects need so much more time to learn the system than other teams prospects. Why do so many of the NCAA players for example (Makar, Q. Hughes, McAvoy, Caufield, Boldy, Power, Beniers, Miller) need little or no time to learn those teams systems and aren't forced into the AHL as teenagers to learn those systems?

Why have all the players taken around QB (Laf, Stutzle, Raymond, Sanderson) not forced to spend time in the AHL learning those teams systems? Are all those teams wrong and the Kings are right?

And lol at the dishonest take, you are the laughing stock of this board. Do you even realize it? Do you not see what people write about you? I am one of the last people who even bothers to engage with you anymore, and you are talking crap on me for simply asking you questions about what I think are clearly poor development decisions with high picks.

But here you go...I'll save you the time of typing out your reply. You can just copy and paste this.

"
bullshit take........I played at a high level, my opinion matters more......you are stupid and dishonest......the Kings system is more complex than everyone elses.......who are you to question Blake?......Not a real fan.....every other team but Colorado and Tampa has trouble developing.....bullshit take"

This is going to piss off a lot of people here. Right or wrong with Tynan and Frk it appears that Blake is trying to build the Reign the same way the Chicago Wolves are built, with heavy contributions from AAAA players. I see pros and cons to it.

And as far as QB PP usage, QB was always going to need atleast one redshirt year, unfortunately for some reason the Kings did not want that redshirt year to be in 20-21 and instead chose to have it in 21-22 as the team attempted to make the playoffs, which is obviously not an ideal situation to be developing a player by playing a bunch of tight 1 goal games trying to make the playoffs. The issue now is just how much the wasted development year in 20-21 that got him nowhere closer to being a useful NHL player effects him long term. Losing a key development year is not the end of the world, some players before have come out of it just fine, while others have not. Hopefully the Kings decision just pushes his development back a year and next season he takes the step he probably could have taken this year, but if he has another year where he doesn't take a step you are suddenly entering D+4, with a lot of red flags and history not on your side. I feel really bad for the kid because I think had he been given the role Vilardi was given in 20-21 the discussions on QB would be at a much different place than they are now. I truly believe that.

But development and deployment decisions have consequences, both good and bad. We are learning that with this rebuild.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Durzi and Spence there was no other choice so there was no leash. Until they traded for Stetcher then yea Spence was scratched. So you are wrong.
Lizotte was off the team the year before in favor of JAD and only made it last year after a poor camp because of injuries. So yes he had a leash that he finally broke by stellar play.
Kupari was scratched a ton and even sent back to the ahl. kaliyev was a 4th liner most of the year.
Do you even think about what you type?

Durzi and Spence they had no choice.....ok, Wolanin, Clague, Moveare, nope....no choices....

Lizotte was OFF the team? 65 games his rooke year, 41 games in a shortened season...and 70 games this past year, in what world does that say OFF the team?

Kupari played 57 games, Kaliyev played 80 games....again....how is that on any f***ing leash?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Oh sorry, my bad, I didn't know that only CHL players are drafted in the 1st round. Why can't I compare the Kings AHL usage to other teams? You say other teams don't use teenagers in the AHL because of the CHL agreement, well then how are the Kings able to to it so much? You once again are holding the Kings to different standards than everyone else.

So what if Turcotte wanted to leave school? So because a kid who just turned 19 and his agent/family advisor wanted to sign that means the Kings are supposed to oblige and make a poor development decision with a player they took #5 overall? Turcotte had no options other than to go play in Saginaw, Blake held all the cards in that development choice. You are now making excuses for that poor decision by blaming the 19 year old kid and not the GM, truly amazing.

You know who else wanted to leave school early? Caufield. Same draft, same age, same college team, same college coaches but Montreal told him to go back, develop his skills and get stronger. What team made the better development decision? Or can we not discuss that? Is it "dishonest" to question why the Kings went against what almost every other team in the league would have done? It is now apparently dishonest to question anything Blake does.

So Kupari couldn't have come over to NA at 20? Was it completely necessary to pull him after his age 18 season before developing his offensive game to have him riding busses in the AHL? You claim to be an advocate for patience yet you are always pushing for rushing players to the AHL instead of letting them spend a crucial development year working on reaching their offensive ceiling. why? What was the downside to letting Kupari stay in Europe for his age 19 season? What was the upside to letting Kupari stay in Europe for his age 19 season?

Red Berenson always said it and it was 100% correct, there is never any downside to letting a player play an extra year before bringing them in, but their is plenty of downside to bringing them in to early. We have unfortunately learned that with some the choices Blake has made.

You still fail to answer again (for literally the 3rd time) why the Kings prospects need so much more time to learn the system than other teams prospects. Why do so many of the NCAA players for example (Makar, Q. Hughes, McAvoy, Caufield, Boldy, Power, Beniers, Miller) need little or no time to learn those teams systems and aren't forced into the AHL as teenagers to learn those systems?

Why have all the players taken around QB (Laf, Stutzle, Raymond, Sanderson) not forced to spend time in the AHL learning those teams systems? Are all those teams wrong and the Kings are right?

And lol at the dishonest take, you are the laughing stock of this board. Do you even realize it? Do you not see what people write about you? I am one of the last people who even bothers to engage with you anymore, and you are talking crap on me for simply asking you questions about what I think are clearly poor development decisions with high picks.

But here you go...I'll save you the time of typing out your reply. You can just copy and paste this.

"
bullshit take........I played at a high level, my opinion matters more......you are stupid and dishonest......the Kings system is more complex than everyone elses.......who are you to question Blake?......Not a real fan.....every other team but Colorado and Tampa has trouble developing.....bullshit take"





This is going to piss off a lot of people here. Right or wrong with Tynan and Frk it appears that Blake is trying to build the Reign the same way the Chicago Wolves are built, with heavy contributions from AAAA players. I see pros and cons to it.

And as far as QB PP usage, QB was always going to need atleast one redshirt year, unfortunately for some reason the Kings did not want that redshirt year to be in 20-21 and instead chose to have it in 21-22 as the team attempted to make the playoffs, which is obviously not an ideal situation to be developing a player by playing a bunch of tight 1 goal games trying to make the playoffs. The issue now is just how much the wasted development year in 20-21 that got him nowhere closer to being a useful NHL player effects him long term. Losing a key development year is not the end of the world, some players before have come out of it just fine, while others have not. Hopefully the Kings decision just pushes his development back a year and next season he takes the step he probably could have taken this year, but if he has another year where he doesn't take a step you are suddenly entering D+4, with a lot of red flags and history not on your side. I feel really bad for the kid because I think had he been given the role Vilardi was given in 20-21 the discussions on QB would be at a much different place than they are now. I truly believe that.

But development and deployment decisions have consequences, both good and bad. We are learning that with this rebuild.

This is what makes you dishonest......

OMG No other teams plays teenagers in the AHL......Boldy, 19 played in the AHL, Caufield, 19, played in the AHL, MCavoy, 18, played in the AHL.... Caufield wanted to leave....yet here....says opposite - Cole Caufield would prefer a straight path to the NHL but a detour through Wisconsin will do him some good kinda reads he was open to both path,

You ask why the Kings have been able to do it so much.....because for the past 2 years, those rules had changed....but let's see who they used....because f*** it, I'm curious

2019-2020 - Bjornofoot, Dolan, Sondergrand
2020-2021 - Kaliyev, Turcotte, Byfield
2021-2022 - Grans, Byfield

7 in 3 years, let's compare to a random team....same time frame

Minnesota

2019 - 2020 - None
2020 - 2021 - Boldy, O Rourke, Jones
2021-2022 - Rossi.....

So if your point is, LA did it more often.....sure based on a one team look, sure.

You ask what the downside was vs what the upside for Kupari, there is both....but you are acting like you are in the room and know the player.....and know whats best for them, tell me, how do you know he doesn't turn out like Selmar Odelein?

You say LA Kings need more time to learn the system,

Turcotte - 59 AHL games played
Seider - 49 AHL games played
Zegras - 17 AHL games played....oh shit...as a 19 year old
Kakko - ZERO AHL games played, and well we know well that is turning out
Byfield. - 44 games played in the AHL....

Tell me again where all this MUCH MORE TIME bullshit is coming from?

 

[johnjm22]

I hate it.

 

[Faterson]

What about Sekera at the NHL's minimal salary? In an interview in a Slovak newspaper a couple of days ago, he said he is definitely leaving Dallas and wants to see whether there still are any takers for his services, despite him being 36. And he is a left-handed defenseman... Perhaps on the bottom pairing?

 

[Herby]

This is what makes you dishonest......

OMG No other teams plays teenagers in the AHL......Boldy, 19 played in the AHL, Caufield, 19, played in the AHL, MCavoy, 18, played in the AHL.... Caufield wanted to leave....yet here....says opposite - Cole Caufield would prefer a straight path to the NHL but a detour through Wisconsin will do him some good kinda reads he was open to both path,

You ask why the Kings have been able to do it so much.....because for the past 2 years, those rules had changed....but let's see who they used....because f*** it, I'm curious

2019-2020 - Bjornofoot, Dolan, Sondergrand
2020-2021 - Kaliyev, Turcotte, Byfield
2021-2022 - Grans, Byfield

7 in 3 years, let's compare to a random team....same time frame

Minnesota

2019 - 2020 - None
2020 - 2021 - Boldy, O Rourke, Jones
2021-2022 - Rossi.....

So if your point is, LA did it more often.....sure based on a one team look, sure.

You ask what the downside was vs what the upside for Kupari, there is both....but you are acting like you are in the room and know the player.....and know whats best for them, tell me, how do you know he doesn't turn out like Selmar Odelein?

You say LA Kings need more time to learn the system,

Turcotte - 59 AHL games played
Seider - 49 AHL games played
Zegras - 17 AHL games played....oh shit...as a 19 year old
Kakko - ZERO AHL games played, and well we know well that is turning out
Byfield. - 44 games played in the AHL....

Tell me again where all this MUCH MORE TIME bullshit is coming from?

McAvoy, Boldy and Caufield all played 2 years of college hockey. There is quite a big difference between playing a few AHL games at the end of your college season as opposed to playing an entire AHL season after playing one year in the NCAA. You know that, but accuse me of being dishonest. BTW Boldy and Caufield were 20, if you want to get technical. And as discussed before, McAvoy and Caufield jumped almost immediately on to playoff rosters, maybe the 5th time will be a charm. How do other teams insert players so quickly without knowing the system?

There has been a pretty linear path to developing players like Turcotte and Byfield. For Turcotte it should have been 2 years in college and then joining either the Kings or Reign at the end of his D+2. For Byfield it should have been a no-pressure redshirt situation such as the one the Kings gave Gabe Vilardi that same year. Now we are in a situation where Vilardi failed and ended up in the minors the next season and QB was forced to try and develop on the 4th line of a playoff team. But you think that is just fine, because ofcourse you do. Blake could trade Drew Doughty for Milan Lucic and you would defend it.

BTW, your supposed "gotcha moment" with the article you posted is laughable. Check the date, the article you posted was from JUNE 2019 and we are discussing a development decision made in March 2020.

.....Here is a .....more....relevant article...to.... the..... decision.... made... on... Caufield....

Caufield opts not to turn pro with Canadiens, will return to Wisconsin | NHL.com

Forward was selected by Montreal with No. 15 pick in 2019 Draft, led Big Ten in scoring as freshman

www.nhl.com

"This additional year in the NCAA will benefit Cole and will allow him to continue developing his skills within the Badgers' environment," Montreal general manager Marc Bergevin said. "Cole is an important part of the Montreal Canadiens' future and we will continue to follow his development with interest."

"When they're not ready, they're better off staying to give themselves a better chance of when they get there, they can stay there," Wisconsin coach Tony Granato, a former NHL forward, told the Wisconsin State Journal. "Working through the hurdles, working through some of the things that we worked through this year, individually and as a team, are experiences and battles that you have to have to get ready for an NHL season."

Now check Blake's quotes from the same week. It just shows you there was a big philosophical difference between how the Kings wished to develop similar prospects. So two years later, what development decision was wiser?

 

[YP44]

Yea his puck protection got worse as the season went along. Played like he was scared to make a mistake and in turn made mistakes. Short leash for the kids. Long leash for Iafallo and Brown. Vilardi had a bad first week of the season and got sent down for a long time. Iafallo was bad from january to the end of the season and got put on the third line at the very end for a couple games

I did not think QB played like he was scared to make a mistake the more he played, kinda the opposite. I thought he was timid at first but then started trying to make some plays. It lead to more mistakes but I was ok with it because he was trying different things and was less scared to attempt deaks to beat guys 1 on 1.

What about Sekera at the NHL's minimal salary? In an interview in a Slovak newspaper a couple of days ago, he said he is definitely leaving Dallas and wants to see whether there still are any takers for his services, despite him being 36. And he is a left-handed defenseman... Perhaps on the bottom pairing?

no thank you

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

McAvoy, Boldy and Caufield all played 2 years of college hockey. There is quite a big difference between playing a few AHL games at the end of your college season as opposed to playing an entire AHL season after playing one year in the NCAA. You know that, but accuse me of being dishonest. BTW Boldy and Caufield were 20, if you want to get technical. And as discussed before, McAvoy and Caufield jumped almost immediately on to playoff rosters, maybe the 5th time will be a charm. How do other teams insert players so quickly without knowing the system?

There has been a pretty linear path to developing players like Turcotte and Byfield. For Turcotte it should have been 2 years in college and then joining either the Kings or Reign at the end of his D+2. For Byfield it should have been a no-pressure redshirt situation such as the one the Kings gave Gabe Vilardi that same year. Now we are in a situation where Vilardi failed and ended up in the minors the next season and QB was forced to try and develop on the 4th line of a playoff team. But you think that is just fine, because ofcourse you do. Blake could trade Drew Doughty for Milan Lucic and you would defend it.

BTW, your supposed "gotcha moment" with the article you posted is laughable. Check the date, the article you posted was from JUNE 2019 and we are discussing a development decision made in March 2020.

.....Here is a .....more....relevant article...to.... the..... decision.... made... on... Caufield....

Caufield opts not to turn pro with Canadiens, will return to Wisconsin | NHL.com

Forward was selected by Montreal with No. 15 pick in 2019 Draft, led Big Ten in scoring as freshman

www.nhl.com

Now check Blake's quotes from the same week. It just shows you there was a big philosophical difference between how the Kings wished to develop similar prospects. So two years later, what development decision was wiser?

Again, you said Caufield WANTED TO TURN PRO.....and Montreal said no.....nothing you have posted supports that.....I posted an article that says he was fine with either....

Not sure you know what linear means....because Caufield was anything BUT linear.......jumped in to playoffs, did well.....started the year off in Montreal....was absolutely f***ing putrid....they sent him down......then new coach, fresh start...comes up and does ok.......

Boldy, played 14 games in the AHL after college.....then spent 10 games into this past season in the AHL and MIN was wracked with injuries, called him up, and he played well.....if you think they didn't get wrecked with injuries, would he be called up? Who knows....oh shit..no....you know....of course you do.....THAT is the dishonest part....

Your entire posting history contains 20/20 hindsight bullshit claiming that you would have done things differently because.......

I did not think QB played like he was scared to make a mistake the more he played, kinda the opposite. I thought he was timid at first but then started trying to make some plays. It lead to more mistakes but I was ok with it because he was trying different things and was less scared to attempt deaks to beat guys 1 on 1.



no thank you

Agreed, his puck protection was brutal....but it wasn't because he was timid.....more that, he thought what he could do in junior would translate to the pros, and it doesnt.

 

[YP44]

Again, you said Caufield WANTED TO TURN PRO.....and Montreal said no.....nothing you have posted supports that.....I posted an article that says he was fine with either....

Not sure you know what linear means....because Caufield was anything BUT linear.......jumped in to playoffs, did well.....started the year off in Montreal....was absolutely f***ing putrid....they sent him down......then new coach, fresh start...comes up and does ok.......

Boldy, played 14 games in the AHL after college.....then spent 10 games into this past season in the AHL and MIN was wracked with injuries, called him up, and he played well.....if you think they didn't get wrecked with injuries, would he be called up? Who knows....oh shit..no....you know....of course you do.....THAT is the dishonest part....

Your entire posting history contains 20/20 hindsight bullshit claiming that you would have done things differently because.......



Agreed, his puck protection was brutal....but it wasn't because he was timid.....more that, he thought what he could do in junior would translate to the pros, and it doesnt.

And I am ok with him trying the stuff in junior and realizing what works and what doesn't. That is part of the development.