Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[GoldenBearHockey]

Why?

Who is he better than in that lineup besides Lemieux, who would presumably be the teams “tough” player?

Grundstrom was significantly better last year.

The Kings will be trying to ice the best team possible in 2023 and picks made in 2017 don’t matter. We saw that last year when QB (a much more recent and higher pick was scratched frequently)

Playing 40 of 42 games down the stretch....is scratched frequently....holy shit.

 

[Herby]

Playing 40 of 42 games down the stretch....is scratched frequently....holy shit.

Sorry….benched….and….or….scratched…. Frequently….(insert needless profanity to act tough) + more incorrectly used ellipses.

The point remains. The Kings aren’t giving Vilardi a spot no matter what. They didn’t last year, and now we would be adding another wing to the lineup. If he wins a spot fine, but no way is he guaranteed a spot, last year proves that.

……holy….shit…….

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Sorry….benched….and….or….scratched…. Frequently….(insert needless profanity to act tough) + more incorrectly used ellipses.

The point remains. The Kings aren’t giving Vilardi a spot no matter what. They didn’t last year, and now we would be adding another wing to the lineup. If he wins a spot fine, but no way is he guaranteed a spot, last year proves that.

……holy….shit…….

No one is saying he should be given a spot....the one guy left him out of the lineup, the other guy questioned it, and you come on like...well..derr....Byfield was scratched frequently (f***ing lie) so why does Vilardi need anything....

Well, if he was to win a spot...he would need a contract...which is to what the guy was alluding to....but you just had to make an untrue post....again....to back up a point, that was never made....congrats.

 

[Schrute farms]

You two (GBH & Herby) have become like the old bitter, resentful married couple of this board.
We're all at a dinner party and the married couple is arguing constantly and trying to get others to support their incredibly loud & annoying habit of 'i'm right and he's wrong'.

 

[Herby]

You two (GBH & Herby) have become like the old bitter, resentful married couple of this board.
We're all at a dinner party and the married couple is arguing constantly and trying to get others to support their incredibly loud & annoying habit of 'i'm right and he's wrong'.

You are right. I meant to do what everyone else has done and just forgot to. Won’t happen anymore. Apologies

 

[No Name The Nameless]

can you guys block each other?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You two (GBH & Herby) have become like the old bitter, resentful married couple of this board.
We're all at a dinner party and the married couple is arguing constantly and trying to get others to support their incredibly loud & annoying habit of 'i'm right and he's wrong'.

Meh, it can read that way for sure.....when he's not indulging his hard on for Blake, or consistently lying about development patterns in the league, or how LA hates youth etc, sometimes, he will come up with a genuine point....

The problem really comes from the assumption that he thinks I am out to defend, Blake, Robitaille, TM, the janitor, the support staff, the jockstrap etc, he doesn't understand, I don't give a f*** who is in charge, there are staples to development, there are staples to building a team.....that is what I see when I see what DL was doing, what I see when I see what Blake is doing etc....

Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but look at the two top teams right now, COL, only SIX homegrown players....vs TB....a whopping TWELVE homegrown players, that tells you right there, there is no one...RIGHT formula.....

So when his consistent bitching and moaning becomes too much, I say something......of course, that's probably on me more than him, as with him it's relentless....

can you guys block each other?

I haven;t blocked anyone since I blocked SOL.....4-5-6 years ago whenever it was....I think people who resort to that tactic are just mentally weak.....either have a conversation or don't...either way I'm good.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Why?

Who is he better than in that lineup besides Lemieux, who would presumably be the teams “tough” player?

Grundstrom was significantly better last year.

The Kings will be trying to ice the best team possible in 2023 and picks made in 2017 don’t matter. We saw that last year when QB (a much more recent and higher pick was scratched frequently)

My point is, he didnt include Vilardi in the lines - so what happens to him? Im not advocating for him, more wondering if he implied Vilardi gets traded.. Durzi also needs a contract or a trade

 

[FSL KINGS]

Of all the rumored forwards available I think Forsberg, Fiala, and DeBrincat are the best but will also cost a lot. I think Garland is actually the best value. He's signed for 4 more years at 4.9mil. I know some will say he's undersized but he plays with an edge and I think he'd be perfect next to Byfield.

Kempe - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Iafallo - Byfield - Garland
Lemieux - Lizotte - Grundstrom

That's a good forward group imo

The BIG problem that jumps out is the center depth. Danault is fine as a top6 center, driving play & getting close to 30 goals.

Kopitar is closer to a 3rd line center. His ability to keep up with the play speed wise is an issue.

Byfield is 40 games into his NHL career & counting on him to be defensively responsible is a big ask.

Lizotte is great at drawing penalties when he gets run over. 4C

The top 6 center is Danault?

are you assuming Vilardi gets traded in this deal? if not he needs a contract and be somewhere in your lineup

Kings need a player with a good right hand shot on the power play. Unfortunately Vilardi is too slow to play center in this system & hasn't figured out how to use his size in the corner to hold onto the puck. Sign 4 years at 2M & use him as a PP specialist or just dump him somewhere. Philly? WPG? Whatever.

can you guys block each other?

Where's the fun in that?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

My point is, he didnt include Vilardi in the lines - so what happens to him? Im not advocating for him, more wondering if he implied Vilardi gets traded.. Durzi also needs a contract or a trade

Ideally, I'd want to package both of them, Vilardi, Durzi and a 1st.....for something we can use....top 6, LD etc....

This off-season is where we need to start consolidating the assets we have, before they get....."Hickeyed"

 

[AbsentMojo]

Ideally, I'd want to package both of them, Vilardi, Durzi and a 1st.....for something we can use....top 6, LD etc....

This off-season is where we need to start consolidating the assets we have, before they get....."Hickeyed"

Agreed..If they give Vilardi a 1 yr deal im ok with that and hope he can develop. Durzi value prob couldnt be much higher than it is now for where he was before he got brought up. That opens up the 3rd pair for Spence if they move him - and they dont even have to commit to him yet since he has more waiver eligibility. Need a finisher in general and esp for the PP.. the PP is my biggest concern. Also need scoring from the blue line, more size and a goalie prospect...

 

[DoktorJeep]

If Byfield, Kaliyev and Clarke are your untouchables, who is the top guy left to give up in order to get better?

It has to be Vilardi at forward and either Durzi or Faber on D right?

None of those guys by themselves is the anchor of a deal for a top 10 player at any position. So if your gunning for the likes of Garland, sending Vilardi the other way doesn’t hurt you next year. Neither does Faber. Durzi is a maybe.

Garland fits the elite scrub identity Blake is painstakingly building. He’s got Sakic’s patience with DT’s brain for roster building. Slow and steady dumpster dives with each year going a little deeper in the trash pile.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Meh, it can read that way for sure.....when he's not indulging his hard on for Blake, or consistently lying about development patterns in the league, or how LA hates youth etc, sometimes, he will come up with a genuine point....

The problem really comes from the assumption that he thinks I am out to defend, Blake, Robitaille, TM, the janitor, the support staff, the jockstrap etc, he doesn't understand, I don't give a f*** who is in charge, there are staples to development, there are staples to building a team.....that is what I see when I see what DL was doing, what I see when I see what Blake is doing etc....

Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but look at the two top teams right now, COL, only SIX homegrown players....vs TB....a whopping TWELVE homegrown players, that tells you right there, there is no one...RIGHT formula.....

So when his consistent bitching and moaning becomes too much, I say something......of course, that's probably on me more than him, as with him it's relentless....



I haven;t blocked anyone since I blocked SOL.....4-5-6 years ago whenever it was....I think people who resort to that tactic are just mentally weak.....either have a conversation or don't...either way I'm good.

If you guys can’t help but bicker then save the rest of us by eliminating the option of seeing each other. Nerds.

 

[verbalkint47]

Garland is signed 4 more years, at that 4.9.
I'd much much much rather sign Nichushkin or Burakovsky....Burakovsky has been injured and playing with an injury, so hard to judge his play this offseason, but he's been good...diving to block shots, etc.

Garland, you have to trade for and pay 4.9 for 4 more years...and if you can get size, with skill, offecnsive play, like 6'4" 210 Nichushkin, or 6'3" 210 Burakovsky and just sign them, I'd prefer that..and YES, the going rate....Nichushkin is about to cash in and will be worth it. He's been a force...and makes smart, quick, skilled plays, more than I knew.

The Kings lack size up front. Byfield may never use his size for power, but that may come, when he's filled out....Kaliyev may have power to hius game as well. But watch the finals and see how the players with size, strength, make an impact - MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen, Burakovsky, Killorn, etc...even Palat, to a degree.

Consider the difference of adding Garland, compared to Nuichuskin with Byfield. Not the same, Garland may be quick and has some skill, but give me Nichuskin, to create more space for QB. He can make any play Garland can. Would be a lot for defenses to handle, 2 big players. That's what made MacKinnon, Rantanen and Landeskog so good, when they all played together. All power and skill.

Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else, but isn't Burakovsky soft as butter? Nuke is interesting, but like Marchment, is like 27 and has 1 good season to his name. How confident are you that last season's production is what you'll get for the remainder of any deal you sign them to. I'm not a betting man but if I were, I'd be much more certain of Garland being a 20 goal, 50 pt guy and living up to his deal than Nuke or Marchment performing up to a potential 4-6 year deal worth 4.5 - 5.5 mil per. Maybe if they're willing to sign a shorter term deal, but UFAs usually chase the money.

As far as comparing size to the 2 cup finalists. A quick look at the rosters and listed heights shows we stack up pretty equal. All 3 teams have 4 or 5 players over 6'2". We actually have 5, both other teams have 4. Our forwards match up size wise. It's our defense that lacks size, especially compared to Tampa.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Agreed..If they give Vilardi a 1 yr deal im ok with that and hope he can develop. Durzi value prob couldnt be much higher than it is now for where he was before he got brought up. That opens up the 3rd pair for Spence if they move him - and they dont even have to commit to him yet since he has more waiver eligibility. Need a finisher in general and esp for the PP.. the PP is my biggest concern. Also need scoring from the blue line, more size and a goalie prospect...

More skill...not size...size...means nothing....without the accompanying skill.

I think the PP will revert back to the norm...just like shooting percentage....the PP is another chicken or egg, did it suck because of personnel, or did it suck because of system, if it's personnel, gotta change it up, if it's system, gotta change that up, but there are very very few DISTINCT PP's.....they all run the same....unless you have a Stamkos or Ovehckin....barring that...it's puck movement for someone to get open, a defender to miss a step....etc other than that, there's not much difference between all 32 PPs...so that leads to the fact that it's personnel....and the Kings don't have very many....puck handlers in the true sense of the word....they have guys that can shoot, guys that can move north and south, but very few that can make someone miss in a small space....

 

[verbalkint47]

are you assuming Vilardi gets traded in this deal? if not he needs a contract and be somewhere in your lineup

Yeah. I believe Vilardi and JAD (maybe Kupari also?) can't pass thru waivers. One or 2 of them can be moved to upgrade a winger and LD. Like @GoldenBearHockey mentioned, some of the kids need to stick on the roster or be moved before they're lost for free.

 

[Fat Elvis]

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[Fat Elvis]

Kopitar is closer to a 3rd line center. His ability to keep up with the play speed wise is an issue.

I got lambasted for saying this in February. It's not a slight on 11, it's just science. One player who is past his prime competing against players 10 years young who are entering their prime. Just a tough match up.

 

[verbalkint47]

The BIG problem that jumps out is the center depth. Danault is fine as a top6 center, driving play & getting close to 30 goals.

Kopitar is closer to a 3rd line center. His ability to keep up with the play speed wise is an issue.

Byfield is 40 games into his NHL career & counting on him to be defensively responsible is a big ask.

Lizotte is great at drawing penalties when he gets run over. 4C

The top 6 center is Danault?

Isn't the center depth in the lineup I posted more or less what we rolled out this past season?
My thinking is Iafallo and Garland are both solid, established pros. They can act as training wheels to help get Byfield looking like a future top line center. Ideally the Kopitar and Danault lines would get 18 - 20 minutes of ice time per night. The Byfield line would get about 15 minutes and the Lizotte line around 12 minutes .
Now whether TMac would actually roll the lines in this manner is another discussion.

 

[FSL KINGS]

I got lambasted for saying this in February. It's not a slight on 11, it's just science. One player who is past his prime competing against players 10 years young who are entering their prime. Just a tough match up.

Oh I'm sure it's coming. Still puts up points but gets burned by speed regularly when it never used to be an issue.

 

[King'sPawn]

can you guys block each other?

You can block, too, if it bothers you. It's a much more enjoyable experience when I don't read the nonsense of the Bad Faith Club, whose main goal is to suppress topics questioning organizational decisions.

It's not enjoyable or productive. Calm discussions get escalated, and a shitload of time presenting data and supporting references gets met with anger, vulgarity, questioning of qualifications and absurd accusations.

They don't post/write to discuss or understand. They post to demean and disrupt.

If you are asking them to do you the favor to block someone, they don't care about you. You're the one with the problem to them, because you're the one who "can't handle it."

 

[AbsentMojo]

More skill...not size...size...means nothing....without the accompanying skill.

I think the PP will revert back to the norm...just like shooting percentage....the PP is another chicken or egg, did it suck because of personnel, or did it suck because of system, if it's personnel, gotta change it up, if it's system, gotta change that up, but there are very very few DISTINCT PP's.....they all run the same....unless you have a Stamkos or Ovehckin....barring that...it's puck movement for someone to get open, a defender to miss a step....etc other than that, there's not much difference between all 32 PPs...so that leads to the fact that it's personnel....and the Kings don't have very many....puck handlers in the true sense of the word....they have guys that can shoot, guys that can move north and south, but very few that can make someone miss in a small space....

Size - meaning a little more toughness really - pretty much what DD was asking for. Some nasty, some guys that hit and keep the other team accountable. So size is the wrong word there.. but when i think of guys like that im thinking of a sergachev. Re the PP. The main problem with the PP is Kopitar. He should be moved to bumper or off completely. As distributer he has no quickness or deception in his passing, and it creates a giant energy suck on the PP. DD is also guilty of this - having both of them on PP1 makes it doomed. If TMac would use arvidson on pp1 then I think I could live with 8, 11, arvy, kempe, and moore or someone else speedy to collect pucks. But still with DD and Kopi there its never getting above 25 in the league.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You can block, too, if it bothers you. It's a much more enjoyable experience when I don't read the nonsense of the Bad Faith Club, whose main goal is to suppress topics questioning organizational decisions.

It's not enjoyable or productive. Calm discussions get escalated, and a shitload of time presenting data and supporting references gets met with anger, vulgarity, questioning of qualifications and absurd accusations.

They don't post/write to discuss or understand. They post to demean and disrupt.

If you are asking them to do you the favor to block someone, they don't care about you. You're the one with the problem to them, because you're the one who "can't handle it."

I'm quoting this KNOWING you won't see this....but what a bunch of sanctimonious bullshit...holy shit.

No one is trying to suppress anything.....as far as presenting "data" you know what they say about stats right? You can use them to show anything you want, hell, you've seen it here, you present a particular set of data points, and you have 10 different opinions, but apparently, when they don't like up with yours, then people are what did you say "posting to demean and disrupt"

Imagine, someone not taking what you say on face value....the life altering horror....

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

But also a lot more expensive, no?

I don't really care... just as a Slovak Kings fan, I'd like to have a Slovak player to cheer on in this team once again, that's all. Hrenák is making progress, but he's not quite up there yet, and who knows if he'll ever make it past the Reign. The upcoming draft doesn't look too promising, either – Slafkovský and Nemec are too high, and while Mešár and Sýkora are both, I believe, great players and will likely be available for the Kings, you all are likely sick of all these "undersized forwards".

I think Adam Sykora wold be a great add and has the best chance

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Size - meaning a little more toughness really - pretty much what DD was asking for. Some nasty, some guys that hit and keep the other team accountable. So size is the wrong word there.. but when i think of guys like that im thinking of a sergachev. Re the PP. The main problem with the PP is Kopitar. He should be moved to bumper or off completely. As distributer he has no quickness or deception in his passing, and it creates a giant energy suck on the PP. DD is also guilty of this - having both of them on PP1 makes it doomed. If TMac would use arvidson on pp1 then I think I could live with 8, 11, arvy, kempe, and moore or someone else speedy to collect pucks. But still with DD and Kopi there its never getting above 25 in the league.

Nastiness....I think you have that in Roy, you surely have that in Durzi....I get what you are saying there, I guess it really depends on the cost of acquisition and the opportunity cost of who doesn't play if you get that...

As far as the PP....I agree, and disagree, imagine that....I think DD and Kopitar are fine on the PP, I think positions matter, I don't think you want Kopi in the bumper, you want him on the left hand/side/point of the umbrella if you can picture that, you want Kempe on the right, you want DD in the middle, and you want guys who are like Arvy and Moore but can handle the puck better......who are down low on the bumpers who can get to the corner for a puck or an outlet, and have the hands to move it quickly.

I think Adam Sykora wold be a great add and has the best chance

Think he lasts until the 2nd round? And or, is he one that you move up for?