Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Raccoon Jesus]

Man, I must have missed when this got turned into HFkings tax info thread.

I can’t stand talking about taxes when it’s tax time, much less after I’ve already finished that particular trauma for the year. Christ.

Was gonna say it reminds me of that joke that the IRS knows what you make

 

[BringTheReign]

What about a trade in the offseason centered around Kempe for Kylington? They're both RFAs, and Calgary is facing difficult decisions on Gaudreau, Tkachuk, etc. If they lose a top 6 forward (which seems likely), and Kempe is asking for too much money, I could see a trade working out. I could also see us pony up a valuable pick or prospect to send Iafallo + A/B pick/prospect to give them some cap certainty.

Kylington is a puck-moving LD and has been superb playing with Tanev in the top 4. I could see him fitting well with Doughty, Roy, or even Faber in the future.

 

[MBH]

I can agree with you on almost everything here.

More than anything just addressing the myth that AA would be a boon to the bottom six. I don't believe that's the case at all. In a top six capacity, especially here since he'd be next to danault or Kopitar, I can get on board with that to some degree, though you see my concerns above. This sudden (whole forum, not you in particular) turn towards him as a solution with no attention to his drawbacks as if we were purposely sidelining a lethal weapon was strange.

What doesn't work is AA-Byfield.
Oil-vinegar.
At least, it was Oil-Vinegar when Brown was the third member of the line.
Kopitar/Danault are good enough to make up for AA's two-way shortcomings.

Byfield's trying to keep his head above water. You can't ask him to do that with AA (not good defensively) and Brown (too f***ing slow and useless everywhere but in front of the net).

I just took issue with the idea that AA should be in the AHL.

 

[David Catselhoff]

If Durzi had just sold it better, you know, rolled around in pain, been helped off the ice, then returned a few shift later....

His name would be Tim Stutzle

 

[Schrute farms]

The problem is what California considers a "resident". If you spend 183 days in the state then you are almost always considered a resident. Given that the hockey season starts in September and runs thru April, the math pretty much dictates that players are going to be deemed residents...especially if they purchase a house here.

CA residency is based on a facts & circumstances basis -- not a bright line days spent in California. There's about 20-25 factors considered to determine residency in CA. Time spent is just one factor of many (principal residence, where your wife is, kids & school, where you go to doctors/professionals, voting, drivers license, work, church, assets in state, etc., etc.). There are many CA team sport players that are non-residents of California.

Anywho -- come on Kings....go freaking Kings go....and get in these dang SC playoffs already

 

[johnjm22]

I wonder if the Kings will have interest in Dryden McKay.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wonder if the Kings will have interest in Dryden McKay.

They pretty much have to, i just wonder if it would be mutual based on Ranford's success and a pretty open pathway for McKay, like Petersen in the past.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

What doesn't work is AA-Byfield.
Oil-vinegar.
At least, it was Oil-Vinegar when Brown was the third member of the line.
Kopitar/Danault are good enough to make up for AA's two-way shortcomings.

Byfield's trying to keep his head above water. You can't ask him to do that with AA (not good defensively) and Brown (too f***ing slow and useless everywhere but in front of the net).

I just took issue with the idea that AA should be in the AHL.

I def. don't think he should be in the AHL, but he does require protection/specific deployment that Todd McLellan cannot handle

 

[Herby]

It's not so much that AA will be stud or a unicorn, it's just that his expected offensive production is going to exceed the offensive production the Kings are currently getting from their wingers he would be competing against. Does he possess the puck as well as some of those guys? No, is he as good defensively? No. But the Kings don't need more puck possession or defensive wingers, we have plenty of those, they need guys who are capable of finishing as we don't have many of those. I also question some of the hyperbole of his defensive shortcomings, if he were so bad defensively that he is costing the team goals-against at levels that more than cancel out his offense then how are the Kings so good with him in the lineup? Are we really going to deny that a guy who scored 9 times in his 22 games for a team that really struggles to score might just be the offensive production needed to push the team over the edge many nights when he is in the lineup?

The object of the game is to score more goals than your opponent, that is why the Kings are on the ropes for a playoff spot, if games were measured by possession metrics and shot generation the Kings would be Stanley Cup contenders, but those metrics matter more when you have atleast average finishers in the lineup, the Kings don't, they have poor finishers so those stats don't matter nearly as much. In a league that is at minimum a 3-2 league and many nights is a 4-3 league the Kings score less than 3 goals in more than half their games, that is why despite amazing defensive performances by both the coaches and the players we are on the fringes. I am not denying the possession and shot generation stats do matter, they certainly do, but for a team like the Kings who don't even have anything close to average finishers they matter less. As we learned with Nick Shore, you can be a possession stud and be a pretty good defensive player but if you can't generate any offense it doesn't matter. You can possess the puck 60% of the time but if the opponent is outscoring you when they have it 40% of the time you are going to end up playing in Europe or the minors, because you aren't helping your team. We aren't winning games with, "they possessed it well" and "the offense is just around the corner" or "they are so due". Tangible production is more important for a team like the Kings than intangible observation.

AA has 9 goals and 14 points in 22 games, over a full 82 that is a 35 goal and 52 point pace.

Here is the production for every other winger on the team in their last 22 games

Kempe - 7G, 6A, 13 Pts
Moore - 6G, 9A, 15 Pts
Arviddson - 10G, 7A, 17 Pts
Iafallo - 1G, 5A, 6 Pts
Kaliyev - 4G, 4A, 8 Pts
Vilardi - 3G, 0A, 3 Pts (20 games)
Kupari - 1G, 4A, 5 Pts
Lemieux - 1G, 2A, 3 Pts

It's just not enough guys, not enough to sit a guy who has been able to produce something tangible this year, not with the talent on the teams we are chasing, we aren't going to beat Edmonton and Calgary 2-1 every night, we need to find ways to create more goals. If you want to keep all the young players in despite the lack of production, that is fine, but then you have to sit Iafallo. You just can't keep trotting out that many offensive black holes every night and expect to score the 3 goals needed to atleast have a chance to win most nights.

 

[kingsfan28]

I wonder if the Kings will have interest in Dryden McKay.

6-0" is kinda on the small size for today's goalie. He's 24 too, and has been passed over a few drafts, and still isn't signed. There must be a reason why nobody's signed him.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Just listened to the latest KOTP…loved hearing DB call out specific Twitter followers by username. Made me think it had to be some of the future NHL GMs/coaches from this board.

 

[Reaper45]

Just listened to the latest KOTP…loved hearing DB call out specific Twitter followers by username. Made me think it had to be some of the future NHL GMs/coaches from this board.

That screams giant f***ing tool. I know plenty of people banned by him and the Mayor for calling them out. Yet he publicly gets to drag people through the mud? Top notch “journalists”.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

That screams giant f***ing tool. I know plenty of people banned by him and the Mayor for calling them out. Yet he publicly gets to drag people through the mud? Top notch “journalists”.

What are you talking about, he doesn’t have their real names.

 

[johnjm22]

6-0" is kinda on the small size for today's goalie. He's 24 too, and has been passed over a few drafts, and still isn't signed. There must be a reason why nobody's signed him.

Yeah. HockeyDB has him listed as 5'11".

The vast majority of successful goalies in the NHL these days are 6'2" or taller it seems.

Saros is the only top goalie right now I can think of that's 5'11".

You also have to wonder how much of McKay's success is due to team play.

Still it's worth a shot. Nothing to lose. He couldn't sign with anyone while playing in the NCAA.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's not so much that AA will be stud or a unicorn, it's just that his expected offensive production is going to exceed the offensive production the Kings are currently getting from their wingers he would be competing against. Does he possess the puck as well as some of those guys? No, is he as good defensively? No. But the Kings don't need more puck possession or defensive wingers, we have plenty of those, they need guys who are capable of finishing as we don't have many of those. I also question some of the hyperbole of his defensive shortcomings, if he were so bad defensively that he is costing the team goals-against at levels that more than cancel out his offense then how are the Kings so good with him in the lineup? Are we really going to deny that a guy who scored 9 times in his 22 games for a team that really struggles to score might just be the offensive production needed to push the team over the edge many nights when he is in the lineup?

The object of the game is to score more goals than your opponent, that is why the Kings are on the ropes for a playoff spot, if games were measured by possession metrics and shot generation the Kings would be Stanley Cup contenders, but those metrics matter more when you have atleast average finishers in the lineup, the Kings don't, they have poor finishers so those stats don't matter nearly as much. In a league that is at minimum a 3-2 league and many nights is a 4-3 league the Kings score less than 3 goals in more than half their games, that is why despite amazing defensive performances by both the coaches and the players we are on the fringes. I am not denying the possession and shot generation stats do matter, they certainly do, but for a team like the Kings who don't even have anything close to average finishers they matter less. As we learned with Nick Shore, you can be a possession stud and be a pretty good defensive player but if you can't generate any offense it doesn't matter. You can possess the puck 60% of the time but if the opponent is outscoring you when they have it 40% of the time you are going to end up playing in Europe or the minors, because you aren't helping your team. We aren't winning games with, "they possessed it well" and "the offense is just around the corner" or "they are so due". Tangible production is more important for a team like the Kings than intangible observation.

AA has 9 goals and 14 points in 22 games, over a full 82 that is a 35 goal and 52 point pace.

Here is the production for every other winger on the team in their last 22 games

Kempe - 7G, 6A, 13 Pts
Moore - 6G, 9A, 15 Pts
Arviddson - 10G, 7A, 17 Pts
Iafallo - 1G, 5A, 6 Pts
Kaliyev - 4G, 4A, 8 Pts
Vilardi - 3G, 0A, 3 Pts (20 games)
Kupari - 1G, 4A, 5 Pts
Lemieux - 1G, 2A, 3 Pts

It's just not enough guys, not enough to sit a guy who has been able to produce something tangible this year, not with the talent on the teams we are chasing, we aren't going to beat Edmonton and Calgary 2-1 every night, we need to find ways to create more goals. If you want to keep all the young players in despite the lack of production, that is fine, but then you have to sit Iafallo. You just can't keep trotting out that many offensive black holes every night and expect to score the 3 goals needed to atleast have a chance to win most nights.

In short, yes, the defensive shortcomings ARE that bad.

When he's playing with Danault and Moore, they're doing great. He's about a 10% corsi and GF drag on everyone else, though. And for a team that's constantly hovering about 50% GF/GA at even strength, these numbers are really, REALLY problematic. It's not hyperbole, and that's why I keep resisting it so much.

It's funny because when those were Byfields numbers you were on a tear shredding him...why is AA so special?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Just listened to the latest KOTP…loved hearing DB call out specific Twitter followers by username. Made me think it had to be some of the future NHL GMs/coaches from this board.

Ah yeah, class act for social media representatives of the organization--block people who disagree with you then smear them on your podcast.

That's what you choose to cheer for. Nice.

These guys become more of a clown show by the day.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Ah yeah, class act for social media representatives of the organization--block people who disagree with you then smear them on your podcast.

That's what you choose to cheer for. Nice.

These guys become more of a clown show by the day.

Who said they were blocked?

I don’t get it, you are saying it’s cool to be an ass to a public figure, but if they respond to you, it’s then unprofessional? Hmm, ok.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Who said they were blocked?

I don’t get it, you are saying it’s cool to be an ass to a public figure, but if they respond to you, it’s then unprofessional? Hmm, ok.

Go ahead and re-read, Dennis. Never said that. And twitter is a terrible place, I don't blame them for drowning out some noise. But to use that noise to attack the fans is unprofessional, yes.

But the point is this is just another instance of them picking on a few idiots to generalize and being smug assholes to the fanbase at large. It's a pattern.

Edit: oh god it's worse than I thought, they were wrapping up the show and they made it a point to stop right there JUST to call them out and it was simply because one of them says "you need to ask todd tougher questions" and he's like who are you to judge ... THAT'S what sets you off against the whole fanbase so much that you need to interrupt your own show? What a f***ing tool.

I've said it before and I'll say it again--there are plenty of new guys in town who are doing much more substantial content with much less access and FAR better attitudes/interactions, these clowns have somehow inflated their own egos to think they're more important than everyone and it's only a matter of time before they play themselves out at this rate.

 

[Reaper45]

What are you talking about, he doesn’t have their real names.

I don’t use Twitter. I assumed username meant real name. Either way it’s crap.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Go ahead and re-read, Dennis. Never said that. And twitter is a terrible place, I don't blame them for drowning out some noise.

But the point is this is just another instance of them picking on a few idiots to generalize and being smug assholes to the fanbase at large. It's a pattern.

Funny you use the term ‘smug’ as I would consider you the smuggiest of them all around here.

I’m not necessarily a fan of either of those guys, but I do find that podcast to be the most informative out there. Don’t blame Bernstein when you are dealing with a bunch of dicks hiding behind their keyboards.

Btw, my name is Tim.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Funny you use the term ‘smug’ as I would consider you the smuggiest of them all around here.

I’m not necessarily a fan of either of those guys, but I do find that podcast to be the most informative out there. Don’t blame Bernstein when you are dealing with a bunch of dicks hiding behind their keyboards.

Btw, my name is Tim.

That's fine, You know you can talk to me and I'll respond--I won't just block you and go on my large media platform marketed by the Kings to go"hey, wait till you get a load of what this idiot Tim said."

 

[KingsHockey24]

This could be Vilardi if he played with more confidence.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

That's fine, You know you can talk to me and I'll respond--I won't just block you and go on my large media platform marketed by the Kings to go"hey, wait till you get a load of what this idiot Tim said."

Well actually, you would just ban them.

Obviously, he hasn’t blocked these guys as he refers to their constant harassment.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Well actually, you would just ban them.

Obviously, he hasn’t blocked these guys as he refers to their constant harassment.

You've seen how many people talk shit to me every day, if I just banned everyone that simply disagreed with me, it would be pretty quiet around here. That's a hell of a bunk accusation. There have been maybe 5 posters banned in my what, 15 years here? This board gets away with a lot of shit, I have to just roll my eyes when people cry "omg censorship."

If their constant harassment is "ask harder questions" these p***yes are even softer than I thought. I though he was going to reference people going in hard on them but it was a lot of crybaby bullshit considering the lashout.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

This could be Vilardi if he played with more confidence.

Frolov wasn't full Frolov until 23-24 though, and those clips are from when he was 26+....I''m confident Vilardi will get there too, you can see the Perry/Frolov in his game around the net! He's due a couple of goals at this point imo.