Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[kings11]

You're thinking about that wrong, a potential extension for the 37 year old Kopitar isn't going to take priority over resigning Byfield and Kaliyev.

Its not if we sign Forsberg, we'll have trouble signing Byfield and Kaliyev in 3 years because Blake might want to resign Kopitar.

Its if we sign Forsberg, Blake might not be able to resign Kopitar in 3 years because Byfield and Kaliyev will need new deals.

You said we better hope the kids don't break out and we need to find spots/money for them. If the kids break out, you get rid of the other players.

Extending Kopi won’t take priority over the Kids but it might over Forsberg.. it’s a waste of money really, unless he brings the level of play Kopi had at the same age, how do you justify giving him $10 mill?? I’ve asked this questions 4 times and have yet to get anything other than fantasy hockey replies..
If you want goals, you’re better off trading for a for a forward with a reasonable contract..
over a full seasons, what can we expect from a combination of Doughty, Clarke, Spence, Durzi and/or Grans? Because scoring from the backend is what’s currently killing us. Defenses can sag on our offense because they know our guys can’t do shit from the blue line..
Guys on here have the wrong idea of what this team needs… 2 major needs before a scoring forward..
Scoring defensemen as mentioned
Toughness… Bertuzzi brings that and he can score, grime it up and won’t cost whatever FF goes for.. there’s other options, this team will likely improve the forward position via another trade.. we have near-ripe/ripe/slightly overripe fruit down in Ontario.. they can’t stay down there forever..

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Complaining about lack of offense...
And yet AA has 9 goals in 22 games. And you want him in the minors.
I guess it depends what you want from the rest of the schedule.
Kings record with AA in the lineup
14-3-5 .750
Kings record without AA in the lineup.
24-22-5 .519

Obviously, other factors play into this.
But 9 goals in 22 games in 3rd line minutes. (Take away that god awful stint with Byfield and it's even higher)
.750 record with him in the lineup.

And he's treated like dog turds around here.

Can you imagine Durzi and Bjornfot on the ice with AA

You could have Jesus and Lucifer out there and you'd still lose 20-10.

Also, not one of those goals was scored in third line minutes. I'm not going to go over that again but basically all but one of his goals were next to Danault or Moore.

I'm all for a lineup shakeup but I'm sick of this AA is a unicorn myth.

 

[kings11]

iafallo is the winger to move. even if you dont get much for him 4 million in cap is significant.

I’m sure Buffalo would love a local kid in a reasonable contract… they have lots of picks and maybe even Ryan J., more assets to use in a trade

 

[redcard]

Extending Kopi won’t take priority over the Kids but it might over Forsberg.. it’s a waste of money really, unless he brings the level of play Kopi had at the same age, how do you justify giving him $10 mill?? I’ve asked this questions 4 times and have yet to get anything other than fantasy hockey replies..
If you want goals, you’re better off trading for a for a forward with a reasonable contract..
over a full seasons, what can we expect from a combination of Doughty, Clarke, Spence, Durzi and/or Grans? Because scoring from the backend is what’s currently killing us. Defenses can sag on our offense because they know our guys can’t do shit from the blue line..
Guys on here have the wrong idea of what this team needs… 2 major needs before a scoring forward..
Scoring defensemen as mentioned
Toughness… Bertuzzi brings that and he can score, grime it up and won’t cost whatever FF goes for.. there’s other options, this team will likely improve the forward position via another trade.. we have near-ripe/ripe/slightly overripe fruit down in Ontario.. they can’t stay down there forever..

I'm not arguing we should give Forsberg $10 mil, I'm arguing against the notion that we can't afford it. We have cap flexibility to make an acquisition whether that's Forsberg or any of the other issues you identified, and the kids potentially breaking out is not a deterrent to that.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I’m sure Buffalo would love a local kid in a reasonable contract… they have lots of picks and maybe even Ryan J., more assets to use in a trade

2 possible scenarios; either way, he stays. Kings will stay black hole team, without a legit NHL playoff level top 6.
1. AI goes last 9 with 1 goal and 2 assists (and Todd talks about how he's now producing a lot) and is considered top echelon, cemented in leadership group.
He keeps his A, gets his 22 minutes and #1 PP status forever.
2. He goes 0 goals 1 assist and becomes untradeable.

 

[lumbergh]

real question is $10M on Foresberg or a mill more for Gaudreau?

Forsberg easy.

 

[kings11]

I'm not arguing we should give Forsberg $10 mil, I'm arguing against the notion that we can't afford it. We have cap flexibility to make an acquisition whether that's Forsberg or any of the other issues you identified, and the kids potentially breaking out is not a deterrent to that.

Yes we can afford to pay Forsberg $10 mil today but it’s hot just the monetary cost that I’m considering… you sign Forsberg and you get the following..
Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe
Forsberg-Danault-Ardvisson
Moore-Byfield-Vilardi
Lemieux-Lizotte-Kaliyev
You stall a kid like Kaliyev who in my eyes has rounded out his game and should be in the top 6 next season.. before anyone says that not the 1st line.. remember we have TMac!
I’ve said this since he was UFA, I’d move AI and used the return on a LHD.. that allows Kaliyev to move into the top 6.. then you have to extend Moore, likely to Blake a Coleman monies… you might need to trade Arvidsson ti accommodate that and then you’ll have an unhappy FF…
You see, my point is that’s it’s more than just signing him to money/term, it’s also the domino effect it has on the rest of the team..
that’s still excluding Turcotte, Fagemo, Kupari and whatever other kids breakout..

I maintain my point that we simply can’t afford him…

 

[BigKing]

Yes we can afford to pay Forsberg $10 mil today but it’s hot just the monetary cost that I’m considering… you sign Forsberg and you get the following..
Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe
Forsberg-Danault-Ardvisson
Moore-Byfield-Vilardi
Lemieux-Lizotte-Kaliyev
You stall a kid like Kaliyev who in my eyes has rounded out his game and should be in the top 6 next season.. before anyone says that not the 1st line.. remember we have TMac!
I’ve said this since he was UFA, I’d move AI and used the return on a LHD.. that allows Kaliyev to move into the top 6.. then you have to extend Moore, likely to Blake a Coleman monies… you might need to trade Arvidsson ti accommodate that and then you’ll have an unhappy FF…
You see, my point is that’s it’s more than just signing him to money/term, it’s also the domino effect it has on the rest of the team..
that’s still excluding Turcotte, Fagemo, Kupari and whatever other kids breakout..

I maintain my point that we simply can’t afford him…

Iafallo does not have to be on the 1st line. Vilardi isn't guaranteed a spot either.

I'm not advocating a Forsberg signing as I haven't really thought about it but I'm pretty sure Blake and Co. feel that the scoring expectations of the forward prospects as a whole aren't what they were even at this time last year. They already went with one in the hand is worth more than two in the bush with the Danault signing. With Kaliyev the only natural goal scoring winger emerging from the tank job prospect pool, they may feel that they need to strike while the iron is hot.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Yes we can afford to pay Forsberg $10 mil today but it’s hot just the monetary cost that I’m considering… you sign Forsberg and you get the following..
Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe
Forsberg-Danault-Ardvisson
Moore-Byfield-Vilardi
Lemieux-Lizotte-Kaliyev
You stall a kid like Kaliyev who in my eyes has rounded out his game and should be in the top 6 next season.. before anyone says that not the 1st line.. remember we have TMac!
I’ve said this since he was UFA, I’d move AI and used the return on a LHD.. that allows Kaliyev to move into the top 6.. then you have to extend Moore, likely to Blake a Coleman monies… you might need to trade Arvidsson ti accommodate that and then you’ll have an unhappy FF…
You see, my point is that’s it’s more than just signing him to money/term, it’s also the domino effect it has on the rest of the team..
that’s still excluding Turcotte, Fagemo, Kupari and whatever other kids breakout..

I maintain my point that we simply can’t afford him…

AI can GTF off the first line next season. Put him on the forth line or trade him. AK and Kempe goes to the second line. ARvy and Forsberg are on the first line.

 

[YAYSAY]

So you honestly see the Kings giving him $9+ mill per?? He isn’t worth that.. Moore has a big raise ahead, that would be a bigger priority for me

Can they switch Moore and Iafallo's contracts?

 

[kings11]

Iafallo does not have to be on the 1st line. Vilardi isn't guaranteed a spot either.

I'm not advocating a Forsberg signing as I haven't really thought about it but I'm pretty sure Blake and Co. feel that the scoring expectations of the forward prospects as a whole aren't what they were even at this time last year. They already went with one in the hand is worth more than two in the bush with the Danault signing. With Kaliyev the only natural goal scoring winger emerging from the tank job prospect pool, they may feel that they need to strike while the iron is hot.

As long as TMac is the coach, I don’t think AI moves away from Kopitar… I’ll go as far as to say Kopitar doesn’t give a shit who he plays with really, but based off past results a guy like Bertuzzi would be a great complimentary player for him.. it would also allow them to drop Kempe to Byfield/Vilardi line as their shooter.. and move Kaliyev to the top line
Bertuzzi-Kopitar-Kaliyev
Moore-Danault-Arvidsson
Kempe-Byfield-Vilardi
Pepe-Lizotte-open

 

[YP44]

First thing first is the player would want to sign in LA. A lot on here have pointed to how most big name free agency do not sign in LA.
Just fun to think about.

 

[YP44]

As long as TMac is the coach, I don’t think AI moves away from Kopitar… I’ll go as far as to say Kopitar doesn’t give a shit who he plays with really, but based off past results a guy like Bertuzzi would be a great complimentary player for him.. it would also allow them to drop Kempe to Byfield/Vilardi line as their shooter.. and move Kaliyev to the top line
Bertuzzi-Kopitar-Kaliyev
Moore-Danault-Arvidsson
Kempe-Byfield-Vilardi
Pepe-Lizotte-open

I am a big fan of Bertuzzi. Not sure on Kempe on the third line, but would be a good problem to have.

 

[redcard]

Yes we can afford to pay Forsberg $10 mil today but it’s hot just the monetary cost that I’m considering… you sign Forsberg and you get the following..
Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe
Forsberg-Danault-Ardvisson
Moore-Byfield-Vilardi
Lemieux-Lizotte-Kaliyev
You stall a kid like Kaliyev who in my eyes has rounded out his game and should be in the top 6 next season.. before anyone says that not the 1st line.. remember we have TMac!
I’ve said this since he was UFA, I’d move AI and used the return on a LHD.. that allows Kaliyev to move into the top 6.. then you have to extend Moore, likely to Blake a Coleman monies… you might need to trade Arvidsson ti accommodate that and then you’ll have an unhappy FF…
You see, my point is that’s it’s more than just signing him to money/term, it’s also the domino effect it has on the rest of the team..
that’s still excluding Turcotte, Fagemo, Kupari and whatever other kids breakout..

I maintain my point that we simply can’t afford him…

If you sign Forsberg you take someone out. If Kaliyev deserves a top 6 roll you take someone out. If Byfield becomes a 1st line center you take someone out. If Fagemo, Turcotte, Kupari etc. show they can be top 6 players you take someone out. If the kids deserve spots, you make spots for them.

Kempe, Moore, and Arvidsson are very important players to the team right now. But if you've signed Forsberg, and have Kaliyev and Fagemo contributing 20+ goals each the importance of the former 3 diminishes and you trade them. If the kids are good, we don't have to worry about the vets.

 

[Herby]

real question is $10M on Foresberg or a mill more for Gaudreau?

For most teams I’d say Gaudreau, but the Kings need finishers more than distributors. But either guy would be a great addition.

 

[YP44]

For most teams I’d say Gaudreau, but the Kings need finishers more than distributors. But either guy would be a great addition.

fair, I have been a neigh sayer on Johnny since his arrival in Calgary. This year is different for him. He is not one dimensional, and he is scoring more than he is setting up. Is this due to a contract year, or sutter or both. Not sure, but he has really impressed me.
What scares me now about him is what if this is his one good year. Like the year Hall won the heart, than just goes back to being really really good, but no elite.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Can't buy the idea that Forsberg is going to sign with any California team absent a $1 million overpayment. Going from a 0% state tax rate to a 13% state tax rate would be a tough pill to swallow without getting paid the difference to do it.

Definitely not a tax pro at all here...but thinking outloud, what prevents a player from forming a corporation, LLC in a non tax state, and then having the team pay his corporation, and the corporation pay him, less taxes etc I'm clearly missing something as if it was such a good idea, I surely couldn't be the first one to think of it, so more than likely it's a crappy idea and I can't see why

 

[onlyalad]

Definitely not a tax pro at all here...but thinking outloud, what prevents a player from forming a corporation, LLC in a non tax state, and then having the team pay his corporation, and the corporation pay him, less taxes etc I'm clearly missing something as if it was such a good idea, I surely couldn't be the first one to think of it, so more than likely it's a crappy idea and I can't see why

I believe California law has a work around to prevent that. I work for a company based outside California and I get taxed California rates.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I believe California law has a work around to prevent that. I work for a company based outside California and I get taxed California rates.

See....knew there was a reason lol

 

[Peter James Bond II]

As posted by Kenny44 on lakingsinsider:

league powerplay stats. Players with 120 TOI
Searching forwards for total points per 60 on the PP, the Kings have 3 of the bottom 5
- Danault worst, Brown, then Iafallo.
I think Phil is helpful on draws, but he needs to be on the second unit and Brown and AI should never be on the PP ever again. Kings need to target a few players in the top 50 on this list and put Arvidsson on unit 1.

click: points per / 60

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Definitely not a tax pro at all here...but thinking outloud, what prevents a player from forming a corporation, LLC in a non tax state, and then having the team pay his corporation, and the corporation pay him, less taxes etc I'm clearly missing something as if it was such a good idea, I surely couldn't be the first one to think of it, so more than likely it's a crappy idea and I can't see why

I think anohter poster also pointed out that the way its' all set up you're only taxed in your home state on your home games and pay other taxes when in other locations so it's not as dramatic as it sounds

I'm not 100% on the details

 

[apocalypse]

Yeah, the biggest issue with Bjornfot's game is having to play with Durzi. Nobody could succeed with a partner who is in the wrong places at the wrong times the vast majority of the time. Durzi is a total disaster unless he is actively moving forward and there is no way to predict where he is going or what he is thinking and even the most polished of veterans would struggle in that kind of partnership.

That's funny. I never really notice Durzi. He never stands out to me. Seems like his game is pretty solid.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I think anohter poster also pointed out that the way its' all set up you're only taxed in your home state on your home games and pay other taxes when in other locations so it's not as dramatic as it sounds

I'm not 100% on the details

Fair enough, like I said no tax pro at all.....but yea, I would say taxes, then travel are the two top drawbacks of signing with a CA team

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

That's funny. I never really notice Durzi. He never stands out to me. Seems like his game is pretty solid.

Dude Durzi out there is the epitome of a chicken running around with his head cut off.....

 

[No Name The Nameless]

That's funny. I never really notice Durzi. He never stands out to me. Seems like his game is pretty solid.

Come on man. Don’t troll us.