Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[kings11]

I have really not been impressed with Arvidsson's overall game. he goes down way to often and easy for me.
That said he is the most shoot first forward we have, and is constantly in the right position to get the puck, I would pair Vilardi with him.

Next season we might be asking if we should just go with Fagemo and move Arvy in a package for an elite goalie prospect or that missing LHD

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Next season we might be asking if we should just go with Fagemo and move Arvy in a package for an elite goalie prospect or that missing LHD

I hope Arvy helps bring in Forsberg and stays.

 

[kings11]

I hope Arvy helps bring in Forsberg and stays.

So you honestly see the Kings giving him $9+ mill per?? He isn’t worth that.. Moore has a big raise ahead, that would be a bigger priority for me

 

[cyclones22]

Moore transcends, as he does not model his game after the Kopis, Browns and AI's, but probably Patrick Kane and Kucherov. He will thus execute and bury pucks. Never celebrates. His face shows that he's all business and expects more from himself. Always pushing himself. Going to the net with power whenever he can. Unlike other Kings.

That might have been the single most explosive play I've seen from the Kings all season. Actually, it's not a debate. It was. That was an elite display of speed and skill.

 

[SFKingshomer]

I don't see a scenario where we will outbid for a top UFA but many didn't expect Danault to sign here. I cringe at the thought of signing 1 of these guys after a career year but much of it can be off set by Brown and possibly Walker?

 

[Peter James Bond II]

So you honestly see the Kings giving him $9+ mill per?? He isn’t worth that.. Moore has a big raise ahead, that would be a bigger priority for me

The Kings have not had a 40 goal scorer since 1993-94. Robitaille had 44 and Gretzky had 38.
There have been few 30+ goal scorers since Palffy.
This is a huge problem, not having elite goal scorers for over 3 decades.
The Cup teams had several 20+ goal scorers and some of the best veterans and also size.
There's no CUP, without Quick being unreal and defense of DD, Voynov, Mitchell, Greene, Scuderi,
Regehr. Unmatched. Talented. Big. Unrelenting for offenses to beat. Carter added the needed offense punch for 2012 cup and Gaborik for the 2014 cup.
It's very difficult to find top 6 players that are also great vets and leaders, that can produce.
They were lucky to get Wiliams, Richards and Cater in their prime.
Blake was able to get Danault and Arvidsson at 28 and that was somewhat akin to getting that kind of quality in their prime....but the Kings do not have a legion of 20+ goal scorers.

The Kings top scorer is 34 yr old Kopitar, at #51 in the NHL and behind Morgan Reilly. This is a huge problem and actually a joke. It appears as though none of Byfield, Kupari, Vilardi, Turcotte are close to becoming impact players in the next year. Many teams have 1 or 2 of their top picks from the last 5 drafts producing and making impacts. Maybe Chromiak transcends and becomes an imapct player in 1-2 years. Maybe Arty becomes a 30 goal scorer. But when there is a legit, perennial 30+ goal socrer in his prime at 27 available (and your odffense is one of the worst for years) you get that player.

They need a game breaker and perennial 30+ goal scorer. Paying 10 million for Forsberg at 27 and in his prime is a no brainer.

Brown's 5.875 ends now
AA's 2.7 ends now
Maattas's 3.3 ends now
Edler's 3.5 ends now
Carter's 2.6 portion ends now
That's 17.975 million.
Sure, you have to sign Kempe, Mikey Anderson and probably Lemieux and Vilardi. But there's room for
an elite player.

You can and should trade AI and his 4 million. He's a 4th line player. No jam, no finish, no physicality (10 PM over 2 years!) For anything. Matters not what you get. He's destined for bottom 6 and he will not like that very much and only do worse. (serious)

Now, there's 21.975 million...or deal AI for a 2.0 million player. There's still 20 million.
Quicks contract ends next year. Kopi in 2 years. Both should let go. The time is now to get an elite player.

 

[kings11]

I don't see a scenario where we will outbid for a top UFA but many didn't expect Danault to sign here. I cringe at the thought of signing 1 of these guys after a career year but much of it can be off set by Brown and possibly Walker?

Same is true of Kempe when people on here say he’s getting $6-7 mill per… he’s having a great year as a goal scorer but he also has a ridiculously low assist total for someone with as much creativity… he’s in the $5-$5.5 range in my eyes..
it’ll be interesting to see what Blake and Co do in the off-season… I think they have their budget sorted out for the next few seasons, meaning they target guys who signed before all these crazy contracts were given away…
I’m sure Canuck’s are high in their list..
Boeser
Garland

Maybe…
Konecny
Bertuzzi
DeBrincat
Guentzel
Tarasenko

 

[lumbergh]

Moore transcends, as he does not model his game after the Kopis, Browns and AI's, but probably Patrick Kane and Kucherov. He will thus execute and bury pucks. Never celebrates. His face shows that he's all business and expects more from himself. Always pushing himself. Going to the net with power whenever he can. Unlike other Kings.

It's time for the 4 +1 'Doughty, Kopi, Brown and Quick' and the 'no business A' on AI, to be supplanted with a new leadership group: Danault, Moore, Roy.

It's funny you said that, because Moore used Kopi's can opener move last night on that shorthanded breakaway.

 

[kings11]

The Kings have not had a 40 goal scorer since 1993-94. Robitaille had 44 and Gretzky had 38.
There have been few 30+ goal scorers since Palffy.
This is a huge problem, not having elite goal scorers for over 3 decades.
The Cup teams had several 20+ goal scorers and some of the best veterans and also size.
There's no CUP, without Quick being unreal and defense of DD, Voynov, Mitchell, Greene, Scuderi,
Regehr. Unmatched. Talented. Big. Unrelenting for offenses to beat. Carter added the needed offense punch for 2012 cup and Gaborik for the 2014 cup.
It's very difficult to find top 6 players that are also great vets and leaders, that can produce.
They were lucky to get Wiliams, Richards and Cater in their prime.
Blake was able to get Danault and Arvidsson at 28 and that was somewhat akin to getting that kind of quality in their prime....but the Kings do not have a legion of 20+ goal scorers.

The Kings top scorer is 34 yr old Kopitar, at #51 in the NHL and behind Morgan Reilly. This is a huge problem and actually a joke. It appears as though none of Byfield, Kupari, Vilardi, Turcotte are close to becoming impact players in the next year. Many teams have 1 or 2 of their top picks from the last 5 drafts producing and making impacts. Maybe Chromiak transcends and becomes an imapct player in 1-2 years. Maybe Arty becomes a 30 goal scorer. But when there is a legit, perennial 30+ goal socrer in his prime at 27 available (and your odffense is one of the worst for years) you get that player.

They need a game breaker and perennial 30+ goal scorer. Paying 10 million for Forsberg at 27 and in his prime is a no brainer.

Brown's 5.875 ends now
AA's 2.7 ends now
Maattas's 3.3 ends now
Edler's 3.5 ends now
Carter's 2.6 portion ends now
That's 17.975 million.
Sure, you have to sign Kempe, Mikey Anderson and probably Lemieux and Vilardi. But there's room for
an elite player.

You can and should trade AI and his 4 million. He's a 4th line player. No jam, no finish, no physicality (10 PM over 2 years!) For anything. Matters not what you get. He's destined for bottom 6 and he will not like that very much and only do worse. (serious)

Now, there's 21.975 million...or deal AI for a 2.0 million player. There's still 20 million.
Quicks contract ends next year. Kopi in 2 years. Both should let go. The time is now to get an elite player.

This is a great fantasy to keep repeating but how does this team justify 3 x $10 mil per players? How much is Moore getting in his new deal next season?
You have to literally hope none of the forward prospects breakout because then you’re up shits creek..
Kaliyev likely takes a top 6 spot and with 4-6 min more per game I’m sure he’s easy LT hitting the 20 goal mark with a 75% chance he hits 30.. what’s that worth?
Byfield picks it up next season and hits the 40 pt mark, what’s his bridge deal looking like?? I really hope you’re not ass-summing these kids would sign for $2-$3 mill per?? You’re looking at $8-$10 mill per combined..
now you have $40 mill of a $82 mill cap on 6 players, add in Cal and it’s $45m, add in either Kupari, Turcotte, Spence or Durzi and now we’re properly f***ed!

 

[Herby]

Not sure that moving Arvidsson anytime soon is something that should be considered by one of the worst offensive teams in the NHL. We should be looking at picking up another Arvidsson type player not subtracting one we have.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

It's funny you said that, because Moore used Kopi's can opener move last night on that shorthanded breakaway.

But, Moore's first 3 steps were quicker than Kopi or his comfort dog, Gustl, even.

 

[tomd]

Can't buy the idea that Forsberg is going to sign with any California team absent a $1 million overpayment. Going from a 0% state tax rate to a 13% state tax rate would be a tough pill to swallow without getting paid the difference to do it.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

This is a great fantasy to keep repeating but how does this team justify 3 x $10 mil per players? How much is Moore getting in his new deal next season?
You have to literally hope none of the forward prospects breakout because then you’re up shits creek..
Kaliyev likely takes a top 6 spot and with 4-6 min more per game I’m sure he’s easy LT hitting the 20 goal mark with a 75% chance he hits 30.. what’s that worth?
Byfield picks it up next season and hits the 40 pt mark, what’s his bridge deal looking like?? I really hope you’re not ass-summing these kids would sign for $2-$3 mill per?? You’re looking at $8-$10 mill per combined..
now you have $40 mill of a $82 mill cap on 6 players, add in Cal and it’s $45m, add in either Kupari, Turcotte, Spence or Durzi and now we’re properly f***ed!

That's a lot of what if's. Phanuef's 1.06 falls off after next yr. As does Quick's 5.8. Followed by Kopi's 10 million the following. I don't think Durzi stays...love his jam and offense and all...but his defense will never make him one of the 3-4 to keep on the Right, with DD, Clarke, Faber, Roy, Spence, Grans. No way, all of Byfield, Kupari, Vilardi, Turcotte all reach their / or near their hoped potential...if they do, great, that means the Kings will be Cup contenders.

I truly feel that Clarke and Faber are both the real deals and will make great impacts...both within 2 yrs.

 

[YP44]

So you honestly see the Kings giving him $9+ mill per?? He isn’t worth that.. Moore has a big raise ahead, that would be a bigger priority for me

Moore has been great but he is no Foresberg and never will be. Depending on term I would be ok with it. Not sure what Blake would have to do in order to make it fit but should be aggressive and try IMO

 

[redcard]

This is a great fantasy to keep repeating but how does this team justify 3 x $10 mil per players? How much is Moore getting in his new deal next season?
You have to literally hope none of the forward prospects breakout because then you’re up shits creek..
Kaliyev likely takes a top 6 spot and with 4-6 min more per game I’m sure he’s easy LT hitting the 20 goal mark with a 75% chance he hits 30.. what’s that worth?
Byfield picks it up next season and hits the 40 pt mark, what’s his bridge deal looking like?? I really hope you’re not ass-summing these kids would sign for $2-$3 mill per?? You’re looking at $8-$10 mill per combined..
now you have $40 mill of a $82 mill cap on 6 players, add in Cal and it’s $45m, add in either Kupari, Turcotte, Spence or Durzi and now we’re properly f***ed!

Kopitar's deal does expires by the time Byfield and Kaliyev need new contracts, as does Arvidsson's for that matter. The real question mark is Kempe, what's he going to cost. Moore I'm not concerned with, because if you're bringing in a $10 mil winger, you can consider using Moore as a trade chip.

 

[kings11]

Not sure that moving Arvidsson anytime soon is something that should be considered by one of the worst offensive teams in the NHL. We should be looking at picking up another Arvidsson type player not subtracting one we have.

We have one in Fagemo and he’d look good on Byfield’s line

 

[kilowatt]

I'm gonna be honest with you guys, I did not see this level of production coming from Moore... ever. Really glad he's breaking out for us.

 

[kings11]

Kopitar's deal does expires by the time Byfield and Kaliyev need new contracts, as does Arvidsson's for that matter. The real question mark is Kempe, what's he going to cost. Moore I'm not concerned with, because if you're bringing in a $10 mil winger, you can consider using Moore as a trade chip.

You’re assuming Kopitar retires, I’ll go out in a limb and say that if he wants to return, Blake would offer him a 2 year deal at roughly half his current salary.
This again falls under a lot of assumptions occurring that strictly benefit the team..
Most importantly, what happens to the kids everyone wants to see take a top spot if they bring in a FF?? That’s one less spot isn’t it?
That’s exactly what happens the next two seasons that Kopitar is under contract, note I said under contract because as I mentioned earlier…. we don’t how much longer he wishes to play

 

[kings11]

Moore has been great but he is no Foresberg and never will be. Depending on term I would be ok with it. Not sure what Blake would have to do in order to make it fit but should be aggressive and try IMO

I don’t think anyone really did, though I will say he looked fantastic in the WCs

 

[unicornpig]

iafallo is the winger to move. even if you dont get much for him 4 million in cap is significant.

 

[MBH]

I thought Vilardi was one of the better forwards last night.
I would rathe AA be in the minors than Kupari or Vilardi. I am not sold that QB would not be best suited playing big minutes in the AHL.

Complaining about lack of offense...
And yet AA has 9 goals in 22 games. And you want him in the minors.
I guess it depends what you want from the rest of the schedule.
Kings record with AA in the lineup
14-3-5 .750
Kings record without AA in the lineup.
24-22-5 .519

Obviously, other factors play into this.
But 9 goals in 22 games in 3rd line minutes. (Take away that god awful stint with Byfield and it's even higher)
.750 record with him in the lineup.

And he's treated like dog turds around here.

 

[redcard]

You’re assuming Kopitar retires, I’ll go out in a limb and say that if he wants to return, Blake would offer him a 2 year deal at roughly half his current salary.
This again falls under a lot of assumptions occurring that strictly benefit the team..
Most importantly, what happens to the kids everyone wants to see take a top spot if they bring in a FF?? That’s one less spot isn’t it?
That’s exactly what happens the next two seasons that Kopitar is under contract, note I said under contract because as I mentioned earlier…. we don’t how much longer he wishes to play

You're thinking about that wrong, a potential extension for the 37 year old Kopitar isn't going to take priority over resigning Byfield and Kaliyev.

Its not if we sign Forsberg, we'll have trouble signing Byfield and Kaliyev in 3 years because Blake might want to resign Kopitar.

Its if we sign Forsberg, Blake might not be able to resign Kopitar in 3 years because Byfield and Kaliyev will need new deals.

You said we better hope the kids don't break out and we need to find spots/money for them. If the kids break out, you get rid of the other players.

 

[BigKing]

What world are we living in when we are worried about prospects breaking out?

We should all be hoping every prospect is a 50 goal scorer. Let's be a legit Cup contender before worrying about how to fit Kaliyev's next contract under the cap if he breaks out. I'm sure I'm going to worry about how to keep a bubble playoff team together. We need these prospects to break out or none of this matters.

 

[YP44]

real question is $10M on Foresberg or a mill more for Gaudreau?

 

[YP44]

Complaining about lack of offense...
And yet AA has 9 goals in 22 games. And you want him in the minors.
I guess it depends what you want from the rest of the schedule.
Kings record with AA in the lineup
14-3-5 .750
Kings record without AA in the lineup.
24-22-5 .519

Obviously, other factors play into this.
But 9 goals in 22 games in 3rd line minutes. (Take away that god awful stint with Byfield and it's even higher)
.750 record with him in the lineup.

And he's treated like dog turds around here.

The thing is Vilardi and Kupari, I think, have developed as much as they are going to in the AHL. Given they are more likely long term kings than AA I would have them playing in the NHL than him.
Once everyone is healthy it will be a good problem to have