Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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The trainer was holding Anderson's arm when they went off so maybe a broken collar bone. Anybody ever had a collapsed lung? That was another thought I had before looking at the video again.
Didn't he come back out for another shift before packing it in?
 
@Herby 'pathetic' 'attacking' holy eff you really need a break. Lighten up ffs. I'll gladly take an infraction IDGAF.

What is the point of your post? Why should someone "take a break" because they disagree with your opinion? I don't want you to take a break, I want to have a discussion with you about the team, whether I agree with you or not. I've already said the word "attack" was a poor choice of words from me. But if what I say bothers you so much that you want me to stop posting why not just ignore me instead of making a stupid senseless post.
 
The trainer was holding Anderson's arm when they went off so maybe a broken collar bone. Anybody ever had a collapsed lung? That was another thought I had before looking at the video again.

Yes, it hurts like hell everytime you breath. I don't know if there are different levels of it, but there was no way I could imagine going back out there into a hockey game. I got mine in a car accident in my early 20's.

I wish the NHL were more transparent with injuries like the NFL is. Crazy to think something like that would have resulted in an LTIR trip.
 
Lately the number has unfortunately gone up, but overall I disagree. I feel like for me personally I have great discussions here with the vast majority of people. Some I often agree with like Ziggy and BigKing and many I have my disagreements with like RJ and KP. But there is almost always a respect level and a good exchange whether we agree or not. I just don't get the point in the posts like I was replying to, if people don't want to hear what I have to say just ignore, there is a reason the forum has that feature. I've personally never used it (although I've been tempted to recently) but if what someone says bothers you enough to tell them to stop posting its maybe something that person should consider.
ok lets play the victim a little more. I never said to stop posting. I suggested you take the day off in jest after reading your lengthy post on how crappy the kings are going to be in the future. Never said you don't have some decent posts. Also, I laughed at you suggesting I ignore you then you say how you would never ignore anyone. I don't ignore people either. Some people are on edge, I guess. Duly noted Herby.
 
I still don't know how anyone can blame the coaching, other than for the special teams performances which have obviously been awful.

I am really surprised that Tmac gets as much grief as he gets on this board, the team is currently in 2nd place in the division through 64 games, and that is with Drew Doughty missing 25 games (and counting) and Kopitar finally starting to show cracks and having his worst season of his career.

This is a results oriented business, and the results have been there where it matters.
 
What is the point of your post? Why should someone "take a break" because they disagree with your opinion? I don't want you to take a break, I want to have a discussion with you about the team, whether I agree with you or not. I've already said the word "attack" was a poor choice of words from me. But if what I say bothers you so much that you want me to stop posting why not just ignore me instead of making a stupid senseless post.
bother me is another strong choice of words. I read it, it was depressing, I though of the SNL character. It was that simple.

P.S. I got over it
 
The trainer was holding Anderson's arm when they went off so maybe a broken collar bone. Anybody ever had a collapsed lung? That was another thought I had before looking at the video again.
i think he was just holding him up for the skate, mikey reached for his groin or hip a few times before just folding up, that was why live i assumed he just got the hardest cup check of his life. definitely got a solid whiplash, i think it was bigking that pointed that out.. hard to say cause that was the definition of full body contact, coulda scrambled his guts any number of ways
 
I think the moves made last summer set the expectation that this team was going to make the playoffs.

I think they maybe expected to get there a different way, maybe not with Danault and Kempe scoring this much and maybe with more from Iafallo and Byfield but I think last summers moves were made with the expectation of making the playoffs.
“This organization has to get better, we’re moving forward,” Todd McLellan said. “The ‘playoff’ word should be used in every locker room right now, of course. We need to improve before we declare ourselves playoff ready. Are we capable of it? I think we have the right players to do it, but can we get our game together quick enough, and maintain it long enough, over the season to compete for that, we’ll figure that out as we go.”
"It’s time to get better. That part is prominent on the minds of everyone, not only fans, but players and staff. We want to take steps to get better. I’m not sure I could honestly have said that the first couple of years. Because a lot of the moves didn’t necessarily make us better the next day. They would in time. But I think now a lot of the moves will be associated with getting better and moving forward." - Rob Blake

If playoffs were the main expectation, why wouldn't TMac and Blake be forcefully saying so before the season? Throwing the gauntlet down, lightning a fire under the team's asses, whatever you want to call it. I agree with you that those moves were meant to meaningfully improve this team, but I disagree that it was a make-or-break playoff year. Arvidsson was a reclamation project. Edler had been declining. Danault for sure was a big play, but we had no idea Moore and Arvidsson would blow up playing with him.

I think your point about getting contributions from different places than expected is a great one, but I think the fact that we're doing this well when some of the younger guys haven't emerged yet is even more encouraging for the future. I look at players like Kyrou and Terry elsewhere on top of the awesome development of our young defensemen. We had more spots on defense, and players stepped up. I've been frustrated more spots haven't been open in the top 9, but the forwards have demolished the AHL this year and guys like Kaliyev who did make it to the NHL have continually improved.

I'll stop this rant here, but I guess I'm just trying to paint an optimistic view of your points. I get not subscribing to it, but I'll throw it out there anyways.
 
ok lets play the victim a little more. I never said to stop posting. I suggested you take the day off in jest after reading your lengthy post on how crappy the kings are going to be in the future. Never said you don't have some decent posts. Also, I laughed at you suggesting I ignore you then you say how you would never ignore anyone. I don't ignore people either. Some people are on edge, I guess. Duly noted Herby.

I'm just calling it like I see it, the Kings invested a ton of draft capital in forwards who have all underwhelmed up until now and in many cases time is running out.

Kopitar is 35 next season and will be coming off his worst season as a pro, Danault has been great this year but he is going to probably score 25 goals this year when he has 30 the previous 3 seasons, sorry but I am worried if that is sustainable. Maybe I am wrong but if the Kings go into next season without a significant addition up front, Kopitar and Doughty a year older and counting on what up to now has been a very disappointing group of young forwards I think we could take a big step back. I'll see what Blake has up his sleeve this summer, but it needs to be something substantial and it needs to involve saying goodbye to some of his beloved draft picks.
 
there is another trade!

TRADE: Acquired Nelson Nogier (D) from Winnipeg in exchange for Markus Phillips (D).
everyone here is pretty sour on phillips right? don't watch the reign games but i haven't heard much good about him

nogier sounds very vanilla from what i've read so i guess this is a nothingburger AHL trade?
 
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I'm just calling it like I see it, the Kings invested a ton of draft capital in forwards who have all underwhelmed up until now and in many cases time is running out.

Kopitar is 35 next season and will be coming off his worst season as a pro, Danault has been great this year but he is going to probably score 25 goals this year when he has 30 the previous 3 seasons, sorry but I am worried if that is sustainable. Maybe I am wrong but if the Kings go into next season without a significant addition up front, Kopitar and Doughty a year older and counting on what up to now has been a very disappointing group of young forwards I think we could take a big step back. I'll see what Blake has up his sleeve this summer, but it needs to be something substantial and it needs to involve saying goodbye to some of his beloved draft picks.
I also call it like I see it. This assessment of the Kings is depressing. True? Maybe. Maybe closer to reality that many of us Kings fans want to think, but only time will tell. I'm more of a glass half full kinda guy.
 
There really weren't any deals made at this deadline that seemed like the Kings missed out on, and all the big names that were rumored to be moved, like J.T. Miller, Brock Boeser, Conor Garland, Jakob Chychrun, Lawson Crouse, etc., all stayed put.

I expect Blake to be busier this summer, where the Kings will have a lot more cap flexibility and can make a longer lasting, impact trade rather than overspending on a rental to fill a temporary hole in the lineup.
 
I'm just calling it like I see it, the Kings invested a ton of draft capital in forwards who have all underwhelmed up until now and in many cases time is running out.

Kopitar is 35 next season and will be coming off his worst season as a pro, Danault has been great this year but he is going to probably score 25 goals this year when he has 30 the previous 3 seasons, sorry but I am worried if that is sustainable. Maybe I am wrong but if the Kings go into next season without a significant addition up front, Kopitar and Doughty a year older and counting on what up to now has been a very disappointing group of young forwards I think we could take a big step back. I'll see what Blake has up his sleeve this summer, but it needs to be something substantial and it needs to involve saying goodbye to some of his beloved draft picks.

Wait...what? Danault's CAREER HIGH...is 19.....not 30...not for 3 years...
 
If playoffs were the main expectation, why wouldn't TMac and Blake be forcefully saying so before the season? Throwing the gauntlet down, lightning a fire under the team's asses, whatever you want to call it. I agree with you that those moves were meant to meaningfully improve this team, but I disagree that it was a make-or-break playoff year. Arvidsson was a reclamation project. Edler had been declining. Danault for sure was a big play, but we had no idea Moore and Arvidsson would blow up playing with him.

I think your point about getting contributions from different places than expected is a great one, but I think the fact that we're doing this well when some of the younger guys haven't emerged yet is even more encouraging for the future. I look at players like Kyrou and Terry elsewhere on top of the awesome development of our young defensemen. We had more spots on defense, and players stepped up. I've been frustrated more spots haven't been open in the top 9, but the forwards have demolished the AHL this year and guys like Kaliyev who did make it to the NHL have continually improved.

I'll stop this rant here, but I guess I'm just trying to paint an optimistic view of your points. I get not subscribing to it, but I'll throw it out there anyways.

Sounds like a lot of coach-speak to me. I trust actions more than words. Anytime a team brings in a 2nd line center, a 1st/2nd line winger and a 2nd pairing defender without giving up any NHL players off the roster it tells me they are trying to make the playoffs. I believe the playoffs was their goal all along, and credit to them, they are on pace to do it. We can argue whether it's the right long-term path, but Blake on his own or with a mandate from ownership tried to be way more competitive/make playoffs and went shopping this summer and did what he set out to accomplish, even with his best player being out for possibly half the season.

But long-term it has not been a positive, I can't see how anyone can view it as that. There just has to be more from young players, and it has to start very soon or it will go off the rails. I guess I am just pessimistic that players who have done nothing in the NHL are going to suddenly flip the switch and live up to draft projections or suddenly start scoring like the Kings will need. Could it happen? Sure, but with each passing month the chances of that happening become less and less. The Kings results as of now in developing these guys is just so poor it's hard to ignore. If a Top 3 pick isn't a decent NHL'er by his third season after being drafted the red flags go up and history isn't on their side. The red flags are 100% up with Dach and Kaako for instance, if both players were put on the market right now there is zero chance either comes close to bringing back the draft capital used to take them and they are fighting an uphill battle to avoid being busts. Byfield needs to be better next year or he risks going down the same path. Same thing with Turcotte, if he can't be an NHL regular by next year he is fighting an uphill going off of previous players of ever being anything useful in the NHL. Teams and GM's have pride and bias, GM's are always going to want to do everything they can to have their high picks in the lineup in many cases even when they are playing awful (QB). The fact that Blake brings in a free agent center and then signs Lizotte to an extension should give everyone a pretty good idea where he stands with his young centers, guarantee if all had gone well none of those moves happen.

This is where someone like Bland and I see eye to see. I've said numerous times I care about building a cup winner, not a Dave Taylor 7th seed and out team. I'll cheer on this team and hope they win and enjoy the 5-12 playoff games they'll likely play but it can still be a step back year in the overall rebuild. I would have traded this seasons results with the Sharks if it meant two of the Kings four first round picks took a big step towards being impact players in the NHL. I don't know how long you've been a fan, but I kind of look at this season as similar to 97-98. The Kings brought in some vets and made the playoffs, but Berg, Jokinen, Storr, MacLean, Rosa and Yachmenev who were the big shot prospects at the time all failed to live up to the hype. I think people often times underestimate how quickly young players go from prospects to either stars or busts. For every one Troy Terry who finds it late at 24 there are twenty Aki Berg's, Jeff Tambellini's and Jared Aulin's who dont.

Maybe my pessimism will be proven wrong next season and guys like Turcotte, Vilardi, Kupari and JAD suddenly find an offensive game in the NHL. I'm not pessimistic or optimistic on QB, I see both sides of the argument. I actually could see him exploding next season because its not a matter of skill like with Turcotte or skating with Vilardi, I think it's more mental and that can be more easily overcome. Just saying he needs to take a step to like the 40-45 range at minimum or the red flags are real.
 
People are disappointed that we didn't make a big move? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Why trade any picks prospects for what is most likely going to be a 1st round exit, if we even make the playoffs? This year was a surprise no matter how it ends, and it should be a year for experience with regards to the new kids in the block that haven't had the prior experiences that others on the team had. Next year will be different, assuming the team progresses instead of regressing. Make another move or 2 in the offseason as Blake did with Arvidsson and Danault and carry it forward.
 
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The only piece I wouldn’t have minded was Copp but he’s a ufa and who knows what he’s asking for. But Chychrun, Boeser, Garland, Sanheim, Provorov, Koenecy, Soucy, Eberle,Bertuzzi, all the pieces I thought would work or talked about to the Kings didn’t move so I’m ok with the deadline.

So many injuries it’s hard to acquire when bodies maybe back in a few weeks then possibly lose people to waivers.
 
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