Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[bland]

You are off your rocker....too consumed with hate to actually break down the play... Fox gives it to Panarin, and they shift, Panarin walks down, Kopitar has to slide down to prevent the cross ice pass, Panarin avoids Iafallo and makes the pass back to Fox, Kopitar is about 15-20 feet away at that point, cuts it to about 10-15 as he swings towards Fox, who 100% shows shot, Kopitar uses his stick to cut off the pass to Zibanejad which NYR were trying to do all night, Fox then cuts to the outside, Kopitar gets his stick in position for a shot block, Fox turns the corner, and fakes the shot at the circle dot, where Kopitar has nothing to bite on, he has his stick in position to block that shot, then Fox drifts below the Dot and Maata takes a weird ass angle to cut off something...and Roy is covering Quick, the pass comes through and Kreider scores,

That's not a broken down play per se, that's f***ed up coverage by Roy and Maata.

Like I said, you made up shit in your head, to give you an excuse to bitch about something that didn't happen.

Doesn't surprise me that you don't understand what you are watching.

This discussion is about removing the burden of penalty killing from Kopitar because he has lost a step. Usually that is just a phrase, but I just provided a literal example of a player being one step - one lousy little stride - away leading to a goal.

You absolutely cannot let a pointman walk right inside circles to make a cross ice pass into the slot. Its PK 101. One stride, just one push from Kopitar there puts Fox outside the dot.

Pking is about delaying plays so those behind you have an extra half second to read and react. The second you are beat up top you are forced into a scrambling situation where your teammates lose that second and become vulnerable.

Anze's weak effort there was the breakdown. Roy isn't going to assume that Fox is going to walk down that far or that one pass is going to beat two teammates. He has to trust his teammates. Maatta isn't going to leave the crease if Kopitar isn't beaten. You cannot play a game this fast by assuming that your teammates can't do their jobs. That trust has to be there so you can do your own job effectively. It is naive and childish to blame.the defensemen there for not trusting Kopitar to keep Fox outside the circles. That's the breakdown.

This is remedial level stuff. Quit your bitching and pay attention. This board would be better for it and you just might learn something.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Doesn't surprise me that you don't understand what you are watching.

This discussion is about removing the burden of penalty killing from Kopitar because he has lost a step. Usually that is just a phrase, but I just provided a literal example of a player being one step - one lousy little stride - away leading to a goal.

You absolutely cannot let a pointman walk right inside circles to make a cross ice pass into the slot. Its PK 101. One stride, just one push from Kopitar there puts Fox outside the dot.

Pking is about delaying plays so those behind you have an extra half second to read and react. The second you are beat up top you are forced into a scrambling situation where your teammates lose that second and become vulnerable.

Anze's weak effort there was the breakdown. Roy isn't going to assume that Fox is going to walk down that far or that one pass is going to beat two teammates. He has to trust his teammates. Maatta isn't going to leave the crease if Kopitar isn't beaten. You cannot play a game this fast by assuming that your teammates can't do their jobs. That trust has to be there so you can do your own job effectively. It is naive and childish to blame.the defensemen there for not trusting Kopitar to keep Fox outside the circles. That's the breakdown.

This is remedial level stuff. Quit your bitching and pay attention. This board would be better for it and you just might learn something.

Absolute idiotic to think that Roy isn't going to cover a guy, absolute idiotic to think Maata took the right angle....

Fox wasn't on the side of the dot, he was right on the outside lower dot...Kopitar did his job, pushed him to the outside, and prevented the cross ice pass,

Maata f***ed the dog by going down to a knee and protecting f*** all, Roy f***ed the dog by not tying up Kreider's stick right in front of the net...

Talk about not knowing what you are watching, shit, you take the cake for that....

And if you are really watching, tell me what Iafallo is doing besides running around like a chicken with his head cut off, he makes a great move on Panarin denying the cross ice, then when the pass is made to Fox, does a goddamn pirouette, he was in perfect position to take Fox but chose to go in Zibbys direction....why?

Does the PK need help, absolutely, but you mischaracterizing this goal and inventing shit just to rag on Kopitar is absolutely astounding.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Doesn't surprise me that you don't understand what you are watching.

This discussion is about removing the burden of penalty killing from Kopitar because he has lost a step. Usually that is just a phrase, but I just provided a literal example of a player being one step - one lousy little stride - away leading to a goal.

You absolutely cannot let a pointman walk right inside circles to make a cross ice pass into the slot. Its PK 101. One stride, just one push from Kopitar there puts Fox outside the dot.

Pking is about delaying plays so those behind you have an extra half second to read and react. The second you are beat up top you are forced into a scrambling situation where your teammates lose that second and become vulnerable.

Anze's weak effort there was the breakdown. Roy isn't going to assume that Fox is going to walk down that far or that one pass is going to beat two teammates. He has to trust his teammates. Maatta isn't going to leave the crease if Kopitar isn't beaten. You cannot play a game this fast by assuming that your teammates can't do their jobs. That trust has to be there so you can do your own job effectively. It is naive and childish to blame.the defensemen there for not trusting Kopitar to keep Fox outside the circles. That's the breakdown.

This is remedial level stuff. Quit your bitching and pay attention. This board would be better for it and you just might learn something.

Pause it on 7 marks, answer me this,

WTF was Maata protecting/covering?

Also, where was Fox again?

 

[bland]

Pause it on 7 marks, answer me this,

WTF was Maata protecting/covering?

Also, where was Fox again?

First Kopitar does NOT put Fox to the outside.

Do you even understand what "outside" means here? Fox makes that pass from the goddam dot because he has all the time he wants to easily WALK Kopitar and delay to draw Maatta out.

And this is all window dressing because you keep missing the point.

Kopitar is too old to play this many minutes. He gets frozen on the fake shot then does not keep the pointman outside, he lets him glide right into a much, much more dangerous spot.

There are less than 5 seconds left in the period, all you have to do is delay that play. Its the most dangerous pointman in the league, Anze knows he is going to try and make a play but he lets him drift right around him INSIDE the circle.

Does he do so because he doesn't understand whats happening? Does he let that happen because he is lazy?

Hell no. It happened because he is older, tired and less mobile than before. Its because he plays too many minutes in too many taxing situations.

The rest of your take is so fundamentally poor that it doesn't deserve a response. And I am tired of arguing with someone who is so aggressively ignorant of simple, basic hockey. Someone who can't form a cohesive argument. I am blocking you now because whatever drivel you type out isn't worth my time to read.

This is such a beautiful, intricate, complicated game. I hope you learn how its played one day.

 

[King'sPawn]

First Kopitar does NOT put Fox to the outside.

Do you even understand what "outside" means here? Fox makes that pass from the goddam dot because he has all the time he wants to easily WALK Kopitar and delay to draw Maatta out.

And this is all window dressing because you keep missing the point.

Kopitar is too old to play this many minutes. He gets frozen on the fake shot then does not keep the pointman outside, he lets him glide right into a much, much more dangerous spot.

There are less than 5 seconds left in the period, all you have to do is delay that play. Its the most dangerous pointman in the league, Anze knows he is going to try and make a play but he lets him drift right around him INSIDE the circle.

Does he do so because he doesn't understand whats happening? Does he let that happen because he is lazy?

Hell no. It happened because he is older, tired and less mobile than before. Its because he plays too many minutes in too many taxing situations.

The rest of your take is so fundamentally poor that it doesn't deserve a response. And I am tired of arguing with someone who is so aggressively ignorant of simple, basic hockey. Someone who can't form a cohesive argument. I am blocking you now because whatever drivel you type out isn't worth my time to read.

This is such a beautiful, intricate, complicated game. I hope you learn how its played one day.

Sorry, I agree with GBH here.

Fox is one of the most dangerous players in the league on the powerplay. The most important thing is to try to limit his options.

Kopitar forced him to the outside at a bad angle, where his shot was low percentage. From there, a pass is the biggest threat, and so the other defenders had to neutralize those options.

The open Kreider is literally the most dangerous option Fox had. Two defensemen failed to neutralize that threat.

I'm all for giving Kopitar fewer minutes, but him mitigating the threat of Fox as best as can be expected for anyone is not the evidence I'd use.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

First Kopitar does NOT put Fox to the outside.

Do you even understand what "outside" means here? Fox makes that pass from the goddam dot because he has all the time he wants to easily WALK Kopitar and delay to draw Maatta out.

And this is all window dressing because you keep missing the point.

Kopitar is too old to play this many minutes. He gets frozen on the fake shot then does not keep the pointman outside, he lets him glide right into a much, much more dangerous spot.

There are less than 5 seconds left in the period, all you have to do is delay that play. Its the most dangerous pointman in the league, Anze knows he is going to try and make a play but he lets him drift right around him INSIDE the circle.

Does he do so because he doesn't understand whats happening? Does he let that happen because he is lazy?

Hell no. It happened because he is older, tired and less mobile than before. Its because he plays too many minutes in too many taxing situations.

The rest of your take is so fundamentally poor that it doesn't deserve a response. And I am tired of arguing with someone who is so aggressively ignorant of simple, basic hockey. Someone who can't form a cohesive argument. I am blocking you now because whatever drivel you type out isn't worth my time to read.

This is such a beautiful, intricate, complicated game. I hope you learn how its played one day.

So he is older, tired, less mobile, from having 7 minutes into the 1st period, holy shit this is such a f***ing Pejorative Slured take,

Fox made that pass on the OUTSIDE DOT....I mean holy f***....it's literally there for you to look at, and you still f***ing miss it because you are so f***ing blind with contempt or whatever the f*** it is, you excuse Maata for covering nothing, you say Fox drew Maata out...he did, Maata was covering the goddamn pass from the goddamn corner in which no one was there, it was such a f***ing stupid angle that he took, and yet, you don't see it, because you are so all consumed about Kopitar minutes, you don't realize that Kopitar did the right thing,

You talk about learning hockey and you post baseless drivel on your complete misunderstanding of what happened, and then, say OMG I am gonna block you, what a gooddamn pansy....

 

[lexlavender]

Both the goals were Kopitar's fault, he gets walked on the PK and then he turns it over in 5 v 5 from a lazy clear attempt. Dude looks TIRED

 

[Kurrilino]

those jerseys look like knock offs of the 90's jerseys. they are terrible too

I love the uniforms

Got one for Christmas and i love the sparkle even at the elb0ws.
What did those jerseys ever do to you?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Both the goals were Kopitar's fault, he gets walked on the PK and then he turns it over in 5 v 5 from a lazy clear attempt. Dude looks TIRED

Almost as asinine of a take as bland's,

Might wanna redefine the defintion of walked....because that sure as hell didn't happen on the 1st goal,

The 2nd goal, lazy clear attempt, he had a guy on him instantly and that guy got stick on stick, that stuck the "lazy clearing attempt" I mean for f*** sake, the asinine takes you have to make just to shit on a guy is just weird at this point,

Did Kopitar make mistakes last night, absolutely, not one player on either team went mistake free, f***, not one player that played in ANY game on ANY night, on ANY year, went mistake free, but the two "mistakes" aren't bitching about, are only mistakes in your mind because you seem to be f***ing oblivious about the game itself.

 

[YP44]

I love the uniforms

Got one for Christmas and i love the sparkle even at the elb0ws.
What did those jerseys ever do to you?

I have nothing against the sparkly sliver, it's the striping at the bottom that looks like it is from Canadian Tire. Also not a fan of the elbow striping but it is better.

 

[BringTheReign]

I don’t doubt that Kopitar and Doughty have a say/influence on their ice time. However, that is definitely part of the problem if true. Yes Kopitar having the opportunity to have his say has absolutely been earned but the final decision should not ever be down to the player because fundamentally human nature prevents most people from being truly objective when assessing their own performance. Crosby is playing 19:29 per game, they are from the same draft class, so if he can have his minutes reduced so can Kopitar.

Given the tangible benefits to reducing the minutes of both players and the way the D corp stepped up in Doughty’s absence, the evidence is there to win any discussion on ice time. Crosby is playing 19:29 per game, they are from the same draft class, so if he can have his minutes reduced so can Kopitar. I just don’t see a strong argument for keeping their icetime up where it is. If either player were to pout or demand a trade then they can go. There should never be a scenario where the lunatics run the asylum. I am not saying that’s happening, I am talking hypothetically.

I wholeheartedly agree, but I'm not sure Crosby is the best comparison given his long injury history. Sid has had to deal with the reality of load management his whole career, whereas Doughty and Kopitar are two of the most durable star players in the game.

 

[YP44]

Anyone remember the adam sandler track "sex or weight lifting?"
I feel like that with the video of the Kreider goal. In Sandler voice, "Krieder wide open in front and this man blames Kopitar."

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I have nothing against the sparkly sliver, it's the striping at the bottom that looks like it is from Canadian Tire. Also not a fan of the elbow striping but it is better.

Who in their right mind buys jerseys from Canadian Tire?

That's like buying high quality steak....from No Frills....

 

[YP44]

Who in their right mind buys jerseys from Canadian Tire?

That's like buying high quality steak....from No Frills....

which is my point, this jersey looks low grade

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

which is my point, this jersey looks low grade

I get that....but you have to have some reference point to refer to Canadian Tire Jerseys....just saying lol

 

[YP44]

I have nothing against the sparkly sliver, it's the striping at the bottom that looks like it is from Canadian Tire. Also not a fan of the elbow striping but it is better.

Guess I should have said Walmart

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

View attachment 501756Guess I should have said Walmart

LOL yea, just as bad....

You can always try Play it Again Sports lol if you have them out west, I dont know

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Sorry, I agree with GBH here.

Fox is one of the most dangerous players in the league on the powerplay. The most important thing is to try to limit his options.

Kopitar forced him to the outside at a bad angle, where his shot was low percentage. From there, a pass is the biggest threat, and so the other defenders had to neutralize those options.

The open Kreider is literally the most dangerous option Fox had. Two defensemen failed to neutralize that threat.

I'm all for giving Kopitar fewer minutes, but him mitigating the threat of Fox as best as can be expected for anyone is not the evidence I'd use.

I actually think they're both right, especially as we've been too soft in front of the net lately and that's part of why the PK sucks, but the point is Kopitar is ALWAYS in conserve mode now, won't take the extra step to really stick a guy, and it's similar to a few scenarios recently in which an elite defender only has to avoid Kopitar's stick blade to make a cross pass. In past years, Kopitar doesn't just glide and reach on Hughes, Fox, et. al.--he either actually gets his stick on the puck or enough of himself in the way that a bodycheck forces them to peel off, not just sink down.

Almost as asinine of a take as bland's,

Might wanna redefine the defintion of walked....because that sure as hell didn't happen on the 1st goal,

The 2nd goal, lazy clear attempt, he had a guy on him instantly and that guy got stick on stick, that stuck the "lazy clearing attempt" I mean for f*** sake, the asinine takes you have to make just to shit on a guy is just weird at this point,

Did Kopitar make mistakes last night, absolutely, not one player on either team went mistake free, f***, not one player that played in ANY game on ANY night, on ANY year, went mistake free, but the two "mistakes" aren't bitching about, are only mistakes in your mind because you seem to be f***ing oblivious about the game itself.

But I think overall the thing is Kopitar is -8 and his 2C is +13 and thats obv not counting special teams. We can't just continue to redistribute his mistakes as they're VERY impactful because of the minutes he plays, he's not outplaying his problems right now. Like I said before most goals in hockey are 'shared responsibility' well Kopitar is sharing more than anyone on the team right now and we can't have that when you have guys like Maatta and kids behind him, especially if he's playing north of 20 minutes.

That's not to say no one else is making mistakes--but a lot of others are typically making aggressive or creative mistakes, and skating to cover them. Kopitar is making passive/effort/fatigue mistakes and dragging lower IQ players into systematic mistakes.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I actually think they're both right, especially as we've been too soft in front of the net lately and that's part of why the PK sucks, but the point is Kopitar is ALWAYS in conserve mode now, won't take the extra step to really stick a guy, and it's similar to a few scenarios recently in which an elite defender only has to avoid Kopitar's stick blade to make a cross pass. In past years, Kopitar doesn't just glide and reach on Hughes, Fox, et. al.--he either actually gets his stick on the puck or enough of himself in the way that a bodycheck forces them to peel off, not just sink down.




But I think overall the thing is Kopitar is -8 and his 2C is +13 and thats obv not counting special teams. We can't just continue to redistribute his mistakes as they're VERY impactful because of the minutes he plays, he's not outplaying his problems right now. Like I said before most goals in hockey are 'shared responsibility' well Kopitar is sharing more than anyone on the team right now and we can't have that when you have guys like Maatta and kids behind him, especially if he's playing north of 20 minutes.

That's not to say no one else is making mistakes--but a lot of others are typically making aggressive or creative mistakes, and skating to cover them. Kopitar is making passive/effort/fatigue mistakes and dragging lower IQ players into systematic mistakes.

Agreed, partially, only because honestly I don't remember Kopitar PK prowess from year to year, and I get the OVERALL argument, but when to me, when you have to make shit up, to actually make that argument, it weakens as a whole.

As far as shared responsibility, meh, most of the time yea, there's not one spot...like that last goal, there's no real one to blame, it was a great tip, good play, no real break down anywhere....

1st goal, sorry, Maata #1, Roy #2, and Kopitar a distance # 3 in "sharing responsibility" there are plays like that where you can 100% say, f*** that shouldn't have happened.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I actually think they're both right, especially as we've been too soft in front of the net lately and that's part of why the PK sucks, but the point is Kopitar is ALWAYS in conserve mode now, won't take the extra step to really stick a guy, and it's similar to a few scenarios recently in which an elite defender only has to avoid Kopitar's stick blade to make a cross pass. In past years, Kopitar doesn't just glide and reach on Hughes, Fox, et. al.--he either actually gets his stick on the puck or enough of himself in the way that a bodycheck forces them to peel off, not just sink down.




But I think overall the thing is Kopitar is -8 and his 2C is +13 and thats obv not counting special teams. We can't just continue to redistribute his mistakes as they're VERY impactful because of the minutes he plays, he's not outplaying his problems right now. Like I said before most goals in hockey are 'shared responsibility' well Kopitar is sharing more than anyone on the team right now and we can't have that when you have guys like Maatta and kids behind him, especially if he's playing north of 20 minutes.

That's not to say no one else is making mistakes--but a lot of others are typically making aggressive or creative mistakes, and skating to cover them. Kopitar is making passive/effort/fatigue mistakes and dragging lower IQ players into systematic mistakes.

And to go back to this.....If Maata takes the right angle OR Roy covers Kreider...then this a non-issue as Kopitar pushed Fox outside, to a spot where he couldn't shoot it....

That's how you can determine who f***ed up "the most" if you want to frame it that way.......if you wanna say years ago last year 2 years etc, that Kopitar gets there and makes the play on the stick, sure....won't argue that because I don't really know if that is right or not, but even not getting there, he still forced him to a low danger shot zone, and the D should have done their job

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Agreed, partially, only because honestly I don't remember Kopitar PK prowess from year to year, and I get the OVERALL argument, but when to me, when you have to make shit up, to actually make that argument, it weakens as a whole.

As far as shared responsibility, meh, most of the time yea, there's not one spot...like that last goal, there's no real one to blame, it was a great tip, good play, no real break down anywhere....

1st goal, sorry, Maata #1, Roy #2, and Kopitar a distance # 3 in "sharing responsibility" there are plays like that where you can 100% say, f*** that shouldn't have happened.

Ultimately even as bad as I think he's been overall I'm not even personally going to blame the PK in general on Kopitar, it seems overall a shitshow system and when you have two selke candiddates and a norris dman that can't figure it out to the tune of literally last in the league...that seems to me a systematic issue. Still, he does make mistakes within it, and very clear ones that other teams are exploiting right now, and the fact that the Lizotte and Danault forward pairings are so much lower in GA shows me there's something more in there that can be done (yeah softer matchups in general i'm sure but haven't dug that deep).

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

And to go back to this.....If Maata takes the right angle OR Roy covers Kreider...then this a non-issue as Kopitar pushed Fox outside, to a spot where he couldn't shoot it....

That's how you can determine who f***ed up "the most" if you want to frame it that way.......if you wanna say years ago last year 2 years etc, that Kopitar gets there and makes the play on the stick, sure....won't argue that because I don't really know if that is right or not, but even not getting there, he still forced him to a low danger shot zone, and the D should have done their job

That I agree on, everyone in the world is reading a pass there.

I think 'past Kopitar' doesn't even softly give the pass.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Ultimately even as bad as I think he's been overall I'm not even personally going to blame the PK in general on Kopitar, it seems overall a shitshow system and when you have two selke candiddates and a norris dman that can't figure it out to the tune of literally last in the league...that seems to me a systematic issue. Still, he does make mistakes within it, and very clear ones that other teams are exploiting right now, and the fact that the Lizotte and Danault forward pairings are so much lower in GA shows me there's something more in there that can be done (yeah softer matchups in general i'm sure but haven't dug that deep).

Someone mentioned that they went to a 2-1-1 which I don't get.....2-2 aggressive box, with the forwards they have, that should do it....

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

That I agree on, everyone in the world is reading a pass there.

I think 'past Kopitar' doesn't even softly give the pass.

Again, my past Kopitar memory is about a week....wait no, I remember when he cut aggressively to the middle with the puck, however long ago that was lol

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Again, my past Kopitar memory is about a week....wait no, I remember when he cut aggressively to the middle with the puck, however long ago that was lol

I remember that too, had to be a couple of weeks. He did it twice! And we've all been left wondering where's that guy...that's the assertiveness we love