Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[funky]

Kempe, Roy, and a pick for Gavrikov

Only if he is extended. UFA I believe. Seems a bit steep as well

 

[Eagle Fang]

The issue is that Lombardi's rebuild featured exciting young talent v. Blake's that featured the old versions of DL's exciting young talent on top of a team that was unbelievable boring to watch. DL's bad teams lost a lot but Dustin Brown was throwing 300+ hits a year and you were looking at 10+ years of elite talent in 11/8/32. The Kings also had a Top 5 prospect pool with Kopitar and Doughty crushing the NHL and not being factored into those rankings. We also didn't know what it was like to win.

Now we know what it is like to win and we haven't witnessed a playoff series victory in over seven seasons with only three playoff appearances and four total playoff victories over that same time. Blake's rewards for purposely sucking have not panned out yet even though he has had six drafts.

Back to DL's bad teams...we had guys that you couldn't question when it came to desire and compete level. Matt f***ing Greene! This current team is promoted like Teen Beat (New Juice Pic was the tag line I saw on Kings Twitter last night) and they play like it.

STH'er since 2001-02. The Rob Blake era has been the worst stretch during my 20 whatever years of going to the games.

Great point. It'd be a very different perception of things if it were Byfield, Turcotte and Clarke leading the suck right now. At least there would be hope. As it stands, it's more just a waiting game until then.

The other part of that is Lombardi was smart enough to surround that old core with incredible support players. I have ZERO faith Blake is capable of doing that once the current 'future' steps into prominent roles.

 

[Fishhead]

Only if he is extended. UFA I believe. Seems a bit steep as well

Columbus can't absorb that kind of salary anyways going forward. They would want something like Kupari and a first and maybe something smaller, which is more his value.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It would be very Kings to go scout Gavrikov and come back with Marc Staal.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It would be very Kings to go scout Gavrikov and come back with Marc Staal.

Would be taking a page from Dave Taylor’s playbook of dumpster diving by obtaining another washed up version of Edler.

 

[tny760]

it's kinda wild that the only news a day after losing horrifically to one of the worst teams in the league, facing the best in the league tomorrow, has been.. we had practice today.

 

[bland]

It would be very Kings to go scout Gavrikov and come back with Marc Staal.

And still spending Turcotte to get him

 

[Kurrilino]

It would be very Kings to go scout Gavrikov and come back with Marc Staal.

This is not funny.....

Marc Staal for Vilardi incoming

 

[Surf Nutz]

So Forbes named the Kings the 6th most valuable franchise. No way in hell is Beckerman going to oust Blake as long as the optics are good and he doesn't have to get involved.

Um the optics just drove into another Fall blizzard and winter is not even here yet. Wiper blades are getting old.
However, the Kings are in the same position as last year and just weathered or broke down during an absolutely brutal early season schedule. Even the posters here are worn down from it.
There is time to turn it around and they did it last year, when I was calling for the ousting of the present regime.
I will give them a couple more months to turn the ship around despite some blow outs.
The season mantra of "Expectations" has again become Nextpectations for many here.
Clarke ain't ready, Spence maybe after what Edmonton taught him during the playoffs. QB is percolating nicely where he should have last year after he returned a notch lower after injury.
Durzi needs to be held and spend all summer working with a defensive defensman, To be a PP specialist and 3rd pair.
Anyone see Reaves detonate Hronek? What a nightmare it would be to see that happen to any of our guys especially a prospect. The inexperienced are the way most vulnerable. Not only are some of the touted not ready but the team is not ready to protect them, making it way to risky too call them up, to face an elite non ahl level, NHL level railroading. Ya Turcotte was a bit unlucky. Blake needs to wait until the sellers shake out, not get taken to the cleaners while the vultures circle. They have quality and need to pick the right pieces to be in the playoffs again.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Great point. It'd be a very different perception of things if it were Byfield, Turcotte and Clarke leading the suck right now. At least there would be hope. As it stands, it's more just a waiting game until then.

The other part of that is Lombardi was smart enough to surround that old core with incredible support players. I have ZERO faith Blake is capable of doing that once the current 'future' steps into prominent roles.

Blake’s idea of veteran support players are guys like Edler and Walker and, once upon a time, Kovalchuk.

Blake is a bad GM. It’s time for everyone to just admit it. He made some decent picks, and some decent trades, but overall, he doesn’t have the vision to take this team to the next level. He never did, and he never wanted to. That’s the hilarious and oft forgotten part surrounding the discourse on Rob Blake. He never intended to rebuild the LA Kings. He wanted to fly in with Luc and try to win another Cup with KC and the Sunshine Band. And when he fell on his face doing that, he hard pivoted to a “rebuild,” and now we’re here.

People who continue to defend him as a GM quite literally have not been paying attention for the past six years.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Kempe, Roy, and a pick for Gavrikov

For a UFA? Lombordi's poison pill is what you are recommending. Blake is not prone to the panic of this board. Very thankfully.
Lets not make a trade unless we have the right guy and know we can lock him up.
Lets not fire TMaxc or Blake unless we have the long term replacement agreeing to sign. At least until February.

 

[Trash Panda]

For a UFA? Lombordi's poison pill is what you are recommending. Blake is not prone to the panic of this board. Very thankfully.
Lets not make a trade unless we have the right guy and know we can lock him up.
Lets not fire TMaxc or Blake unless we have the long term replacement agreeing to sign. At least until February.

I’m not saying that I’m advocating for that particular trade, but Kempe and Roy are currently are able to be replaced from within by youth that needs ice time, whereas a physical LHD is not readily available.

Factor in salaries, and it’s east to see why Columbus would hang up the phone and block Robs number.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I’m not saying that I’m advocating for that particular trade, but Kempe and Roy are currently are able to be replaced from within by youth that needs ice time, whereas a physical LHD is not readily available.

Factor in salaries, and it’s east to see why Columbus would hang up the phone and block Robs number.

Oh Ok, but I think Columbus would make that trade, because I would. As we have seen from Durzi, Vilardi and Kempe, after any breakthrough there may be regression and a higher low. The trick is riding out that low or at least trade while at a high just like stocks. Also , I liked what another poster posted, Durzi's mistakes are amplified by playing on left and that dominoes into Roy's play. Wait until you see Reaves hit on Hronek. The Kings can not afford to lose any grit or toughness. Lemieux getting hurt illustrates this on this trip.

 

[RocketKing]

6. Is still new enough that his gaudy offensive numbers might really be worth something to a GM who is either:
a) In search of a 2nd unit PP QB
b) not informed enough

The return is diminishing, but might not yet be diminished! Deal him.

If a legit LD can’t be had in a hockey trade with Roy or Durzi to get a good long term fix at LD then they should be looking for a short term fix with a Luke Schenn (for pick/prospect) to put opposite Durzi. Any move should include a RD to open up that opportunity for Spence at least. Making a short term move isn’t going to necessarily be cheap but not doing it will pretty much end any hopes they might have for this season.

 

[KingsHockey24]

We should've picked up Reaves.

 

[Reaper45]

I said it a few games ago but Blake better not channel his inner Dave Taylor and trade Turcotte and Bjornfot for the Parrish and Sopel comparables.

It would be very Kings to go scout Gavrikov and come back with Marc Staal.

 

[Fishhead]

Oh Ok, but I think Columbus would make that trade, because I would. As we have seen from Durzi, Vilardi and Kempe, after any breakthrough there may be regression and a higher low. The trick is riding out that low or at least trade while at a high just like stocks.

It would be difficult for Columbus to make that trade with all of their free agents and around $72.5M already committed next year. It depends on the cap but they are going to need Nyquists $$$ to pay RFA's and fill out the roster. They certainly couldn't take on $8M+ from Kempe and Roy.

 

[shuchukfan]

Kings need to hire whoever was in charge of the PEDs for the Knights.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Kings need to hire whoever was in charge of the PEDs for the Knights.

You know the Kings are in the middle of a black hole season when this narrative returns.

 

[The Butcher]

For me a lot of the talk about moving on from Koala boils down to the old process vs results debate I've read on this forum many times. Sure, we are about where we were last season in terms of points and standings but when you listen to what the coach and GM are saying, the process appears much different than what they claim to want. The kings management say they want to be a team with a balanced structure and robust defensive system but what we are seeing on the ice is a team that wants to outscore all their problems. If they said publicly that they were committed to being a more high flying offensive team I might feel different about what is going on right now.

But we have someone who apparently is the HIGHEST paid coach in the league and, night after night, pretty much freely admits that him and his staff are not being listened to. This alone is the biggest problem in my eyes, but the refusal to call timeouts or make in-game or even game to game adjustments, the poor instinct in playoff series and the inabilty to trust younger guys who are clearly passing the eye and metrics tests are issues as well.

I understand the argument of "who are you going to get?" but frankly that is for Rob Blake to figure out and I'm close to losing faith is his ability to manage beyond making a few good trades. The Peterson contract, no stated or noted vision of future goaltending beyond 1 person, the mismanagement of our defensmen this season, the lack of any kind of feistiness or piss/vinegar in the roster are all problems that can be corrected but is he capable? I joked earlier that Blake used to get 2 apples and a goal every night and skate off a -2 at the end of the game. I'm starting to feel like he's building the team that way. We talk about Koala a lot but it's tough to see whats happening behind the scenes.

 

[Statto]

For me a lot of the talk about moving on from Koala boils down to the old process vs results debate I've read on this forum many times. Sure, we are about where we were last season in terms of points and standings but when you listen to what the coach and GM are saying, the process appears much different than what they claim to want. The kings management say they want to be a team with a balanced structure and robust defensive system but what we are seeing on the ice is a team that wants to outscore all their problems. If they said publicly that they were committed to being a more high flying offensive team I might feel different about what is going on right now.

But we have someone who apparently is the HIGHEST paid coach in the league and, night after night, pretty much freely admits that him and his staff are not being listened to. This alone is the biggest problem in my eyes, but the refusal to call timeouts or make in-game or even game to game adjustments, the poor instinct in playoff series and the inabilty to trust younger guys who are clearly passing the eye and metrics tests are issues as well.

I understand the argument of "who are you going to get?" but frankly that is for Rob Blake to figure out and I'm close to losing faith is his ability to manage beyond making a few good trades. The Peterson contract, no stated or noted vision of future goaltending beyond 1 person, the mismanagement of our defensmen this season, the lack of any kind of feistiness or piss/vinegar in the roster are all problems that can be corrected but is he capable? I joked earlier that Blake used to get 2 apples and a goal every night and skate off a -2 at the end of the game. I'm starting to feel like he's building the team that way. We talk about Koala a lot but it's tough to see whats happening behind the scenes.

This is it. All indications are that he’s lost the room and if that’s the case (the signs have been there for weeks but the last week or so it has been clear) then there will be no coming back from it. Dragging things out will be incredibly damaging to the younger players because it becomes a toxic culture. I’ve been involved with pro teams where this has happened and saw our best roster in years (on paper) turn into our worst ever team. This side reeks of the same stuff unfortunately. If he stays we are heading for a lottery pick.

 

[Sol]

Again, I think the issue at LD is so bad that if it comes to Kings getting bent over in a trade I still think its worth it. Im sick and tired of seeing Durzi, Edler, and Roy just spectate.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For me a lot of the talk about moving on from Koala boils down to the old process vs results debate I've read on this forum many times. Sure, we are about where we were last season in terms of points and standings but when you listen to what the coach and GM are saying, the process appears much different than what they claim to want. The kings management say they want to be a team with a balanced structure and robust defensive system but what we are seeing on the ice is a team that wants to outscore all their problems. If they said publicly that they were committed to being a more high flying offensive team I might feel different about what is going on right now.

But we have someone who apparently is the HIGHEST paid coach in the league and, night after night, pretty much freely admits that him and his staff are not being listened to. This alone is the biggest problem in my eyes, but the refusal to call timeouts or make in-game or even game to game adjustments, the poor instinct in playoff series and the inabilty to trust younger guys who are clearly passing the eye and metrics tests are issues as well.

I understand the argument of "who are you going to get?" but frankly that is for Rob Blake to figure out and I'm close to losing faith is his ability to manage beyond making a few good trades. The Peterson contract, no stated or noted vision of future goaltending beyond 1 person, the mismanagement of our defensmen this season, the lack of any kind of feistiness or piss/vinegar in the roster are all problems that can be corrected but is he capable? I joked earlier that Blake used to get 2 apples and a goal every night and skate off a -2 at the end of the game. I'm starting to feel like he's building the team that way. We talk about Koala a lot but it's tough to see whats happening behind the scenes.

Even here on the forum, the arguments have been process vs. results.

Quite a few of us didn't like how the roster was handled all year last year, or the lapses in their games, and we saw a roster with latent potential not playing to it, but the results were a 99 point team and nearly a 1st round upset of the best player in the world on an absolute bender.

This year the process issues are magnified, but the results are worse and visibly getting worse night after night too. And I think most will agree this roster is good enough to be at least competing for the division not hanging onto dear life for the last wild card.

We have a team with overplayed aging veterans not incorporating the youth--quite a few argued this year could be a step back because of that, though I don't think anyone saw it happening this way. And the team's only move has been to Old Yeller poor Cal Petersen for all the team's issues and that's it.

Have to think this trip was rock bottom for the franchise, and I imagine the Bruins are going to just absolutely execute us tonight.

 

[Trash Panda]

A public beheading by the Bruins would be the best possible outcome.

I’m tired of bottled lightning performances by individuals being used to cover up the state of rot this franchise has.

Sweeping changes to philosophy are needed, else we are doomed to repeat the late 90’s-era kings hockey.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Even here on the forum, the arguments have been process vs. results.

Quite a few of us didn't like how the roster was handled all year last year, or the lapses in their games, and we saw a roster with latent potential not playing to it, but the results were a 99 point team and nearly a 1st round upset of the best player in the world on an absolute bender.

This year the process issues are magnified, but the results are worse and visibly getting worse night after night too. And I think most will agree this roster is good enough to be at least competing for the division not hanging onto dear life for the last wild card.

We have a team with overplayed aging veterans not incorporating the youth--quite a few argued this year could be a step back because of that, though I don't think anyone saw it happening this way. And the team's only move has been to Old Yeller poor Cal Petersen for all the team's issues and that's it.

Have to think this trip was rock bottom for the franchise, and I imagine the Bruins are going to just absolutely execute us tonight.

Disagree, because all I've seen lately, is how this roster is poorly constructed etc....

Not saying they are right or wrong, but I am saying the argument is continually being made this is a poorly constructed roster, so....either it is......and you are wrong.......or it's not...and you are right.....

I happen to think there is a hole on LD, I wanted to see a Chycrun trade depending on cost....but thats the whole I thought we needed to fill.....after Fiala....