Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[KingsFan7824]

It would be the Kings way to keep bad contracts until they "run out". We shouldn't keep a goalie making 5 million in the AHL next year. He is either our #1 or we take the hit and move on.

Most bad contracts are kept until they run out. The way of the league. Or they're traded for slightly worse contracts and you get a pick, or a slightly better contract and you give the pick.

But apparently his bought out cap hit next year would be larger than his cap hit if he just remained. He's likely not getting bought out in a few months. He's 1 of the 2 goalies next year, and then see what happens. His 2024 buyout is the better option if that needs to be done.

 

[dman3474]

So Copley is the new number 1 goalie?

 

[lumbergh]

Last 10 games:

Kings record: 4 wins 6 losses

42 goals against, 36 goals for
Net -5 on special teams

Kopitar (7 goals) and Fiala (9 assists) leading forwards with 11 points, Durzi leading defensemen with 10 points

Trevor Moore (2 points) and Vilardi (3 points) not producing

Even strength Goals For %:
Best:
Iafallo 4 GF 1 GA, 80%
Anderson 13 GF 7 GA 65%
Kopitar 15 GF 9 GA 62.5%
Fiala 13 GF 8 GA 61.9%
Kempe 9 GF 6 GA 60%
...
Worst:
Danault 1 GF 9 GA 10%
Moore 1 GF 8 GA 11.1%
Arvidsson 3 GF 9 GA 25%
Edler 4 GF 7 GF 36.4%

I keep seeing all these posts complaining about Kopitar in the GDTs, yet he's doing what he does, leading the team all over the ice. I don't see many of you calling out the giant problem that is the Danault line. Getting outscored 1 to 9 is not acceptable. That line is sinking the Kings while many are pointing fingers at the guys actually propping this team up.

 

[BigKing]

He won a Cup with Detroit as an assistant and came up in the coaching tree of Mike Babcock when that still meant something good. We had to give him extra years and extra dollars to get him to come to a rebuild, plain and simple. I agree that he is showing this season that he isn't the right coach for this team, but saying he should have come for cheap is ridiculous. Look at NHL coaching jobs. It's a carousel of similar names, and if you've got a Cup on your resume or have come from a successful organization you're going to be even more in demand.

He's got 150 more wins than losses even after going through the Kings rebuild, and as much as we love bashing the Sharks he got them into the 2nd or 3rd round half the seasons he was there. Most teams would kill for that type of playoff record (especially owners making home game revenue).

As I've said before with him; however, is that he has these items on his resume:

- Lost in Round 1 as a #1 seed
- Reverse sweep
- Edmonton choke job against the Ducks

He gets fired and those clowns in SJ immediately go to the SCF.

 

[Mats26]

Most bad contracts are kept until they run out. The way of the league. Or they're traded for slightly worse contracts and you get a pick, or a slightly better contract and you give the pick.

But apparently his bought out cap hit next year would be larger than his cap hit if he just remained. He's likely not getting bought out in a few months. He's 1 of the 2 goalies next year, and then see what happens. His 2024 buyout is the better option if that needs to be done.

I can live with this if we buy him out this summer. 166,000$ over his cap for one year but we are practically freed of his 5 million cap the rest of the 3 years. He needs to show he can at least be a backup next year at the NHL level. He is not worth much, passing through waivers, so even in a trade we'll need to retain alot more in 2 years than than the last 3 years of a buyout. Simply a bad signing from day 1.

Cap Hit Calculations​

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( LAK)
2023-24	$1,000,000	$5,000,000	$4,000,000	$1,166,667	$5,166,667	-$166,667	$5,166,667
2024-25	$6,000,000	$5,000,000	$0	$1,166,667	$1,166,667	$4,833,333	$166,667
2025-26	$0	$0	$0	$1,166,667	$1,166,667	-$1,166,667	$1,166,667
2026-27	$0	$0	$0	$1,166,667	$1,166,667	-$1,166,667	$1,166,667
TOTAL	$7,000,000	$10,000,000	$4,000,000	$4,666,667	$8,666,667	$2,333,333	$7,666,668

 

[crassbonanza]

Well first, you have to take into account, the status of each club, would you want to coach a club with at the time, Huberdeau, Barkov, Ekblad all in their prime, or a rebuilding LA team with big question marks?

Then you have to take into account travel/away from family, much more in LA than in FL....and those two things alone, mean you have to overpay to get a quality coach.....

But yea....I have no f***ing idea what I am talking about....forgot about that, you are right, the hired him SOLELY BASED ON HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH BLAKE.....there you go, that makes more f***ing sense...right?

There has only been one 5 year contract given out since TMac got his. Those contracts have a lot of risk due to their length, that is compounded by it also being one of the biggest salaries. It is a fairly rare contract and one that is typically given to a coach with a lot more success than TMac has had throughout his coaching career.

 

[crassbonanza]

Not a Tmac defender or hater really. He seems to come off as a well spoken dude and has earned some respect from me. I do think there are always areas he could improve on i.e. adjusting quicker and roster decisions.

I thought Blake said a reason for the 5 year deal was a message to the players. That he was gonna be there for awhile so get used to it kinda thing.

I can see that, but it also kind of ties Blake's hands. Blake had just fired Sutter, Stevens and WD in just over a year prior to hiring TMac, so I'm sure AEG is not all that interested in paying off multiple years of TMac's contract if Blake wants to move on.

 

[johnjm22]

If Vilardi's scoring to open the year was just a flash in the pan, the Kings might consider moving him while is value is relatively high. He's still on pace for 34 goals.

 

[YP44]

If Vilardi's scoring to open the year was just a flash in the pan, the Kings might consider moving him while is value is relatively high. He's still on pace for 34 goals.

I think it was a hot streak, but now he is on a cold streak. Most less experienced players go through these swings.

 

[johnjm22]

Also, I would consider moving Moore.

I love him, but it probably doesn't make sense to re-sign him. And he should have pretty good value IMO.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Disagree, because all I've seen lately, is how this roster is poorly constructed etc....

Not saying they are right or wrong, but I am saying the argument is continually being made this is a poorly constructed roster, so....either it is......and you are wrong.......or it's not...and you are right.....

I happen to think there is a hole on LD, I wanted to see a Chycrun trade depending on cost....but thats the whole I thought we needed to fill.....after Fiala....

Rumored cost for Chychrun is 2X 1st & a Fagemo, Grans level prospect. That is way too much for a second pair defender. Also don't see how the oft injured player helps the King's keep the puck out of the net. Kings have multiple left handed players with better shots & aren't struggling to score goals this year.

Too much in assets for a completely unnecessary player.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Rumored cost for Chychrun is 2X 1st & a Fagemo, Grans level prospect. That is way too much for a second pair defender. Also don't see how the oft injured player helps the King's keep the puck out of the net. Kings have multiple left handed players with better shots & aren't struggling to score goals this year.

Too much in assets for a completely unnecessary player.

Ok, I get your point, answer me this......how are two lottery tickets going to help this team, now and in the future?

 

[KingsHockey24]

I miss Brendan Lemieux.

 

[BringTheReign]

Imagine what the Sharks could have done with someone different? Those teams were so good.

Maybe. I think TM's game management was fine in our series against Edmonton; we just didn't have the horses they did.

I think those Sharks teams were let down by goaltending and lack of depth scoring. Thornton and Marleau never had it in the playoffs, but Pavelski and Couture were killers. I typically subscribe to the puck luck arguments rather than perennial chokers for teams that came close but never made it, but I get the other perspective (especially in specific instances

As I've said before with him; however, is that he has these items on his resume:

- Lost in Round 1 as a #1 seed
- Reverse sweep
- Edmonton choke job against the Ducks

He gets fired and those clowns in SJ immediately go to the SCF.

Claude Julien was reverse swept and then won a Cup the next season. I’m also not sure a game 7 loss to an excellent Ducks team is a choke, but fine.

 

[Trash Panda]

Also, I would consider moving Moore.

I love him, but it probably doesn't make sense to re-sign him. And he should have pretty good value IMO.

You move Kempe or Arvidsson before even entertaining the thought of letting Moore walk.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Ok, I get your point, answer me this......how are two lottery tickets going to help this team, now and in the future?

Lotto picks sometimes work out nicely. Chabot being available with the puck traded for Lucic would have been nice. The picks could also be traded for a player that is actually good at keeping the puck out of the net.

 

[johnjm22]

You move Kempe or Arvidsson before even entertaining the thought of letting Moore walk.

I don't think signing Moore to an Iafallo+ contract makes much sense.

 

[kenito7]

Ok, I get your point, answer me this......how are two lottery tickets going to help this team, now and in the future?

You probably don,t know what the lottery tickets get you for 4 or 5 years but what does Chychrun get you? It might solve a problem at LD but that still leaves you no goaltenders and a couple of very high priced old guys that will never again be what they once were.

 

[dman3474]

I don't think signing Moore to an Iafallo+ contract makes much sense.

Unless you are moving Iafallo and/or Ardvisson

 

[kenito7]

I don't think signing Moore to an Iafallo+ contract makes much sense.

How about sign Moore trade Iafallo?

 

[King'sPawn]

Why are we still talking about spending valuable assets acquiring an offensive left defenseman when offense is the last thing affecting this team right now?

 

[kings11]

Last 10 games:

Kings record: 4 wins 6 losses

42 goals against, 36 goals for
Net -5 on special teams

Kopitar (7 goals) and Fiala (9 assists) leading forwards with 11 points, Durzi leading defensemen with 10 points

Trevor Moore (2 points) and Vilardi (3 points) not producing

Even strength Goals For %:
Best:
Iafallo 4 GF 1 GA, 80%
Anderson 13 GF 7 GA 65%
Kopitar 15 GF 9 GA 62.5%
Fiala 13 GF 8 GA 61.9%
Kempe 9 GF 6 GA 60%
...
Worst:
Danault 1 GF 9 GA 10%
Moore 1 GF 8 GA 11.1%
Arvidsson 3 GF 9 GA 25%
Edler 4 GF 7 GF 36.4%

I keep seeing all these posts complaining about Kopitar in the GDTs, yet he's doing what he does, leading the team all over the ice. I don't see many of you calling out the giant problem that is the Danault line. Getting outscored 1 to 9 is not acceptable. That line is sinking the Kings while many are pointing fingers at the guys actually propping this team up.

Because it’s easy to harp and nitpick an aging superstar and current captain..

Has not one muthaf***er on our Kings board notice yet that the 2nd line is Danault… while Moore is a hustle guy, Arvy is a volume shooter who can be neutralized with minimal contact. He also puts the Kings at a disadvantage each time he shots because 99% of the time he completely misses the net and it makes its way around the boards towards the blue line??!!?? Durzi is in the same boat…. This team has bigger issues than Kopitar isn’t what he use to be!

Fiala - Kopitar - Kaliyev… are vibing and should stay intact
Everything else is up for grabs imo, maybe reunite Iafallo-Danault-Kempe and see if it reignites them and if not, move one or both
Byfield will return and should absolutely reunite with Vilardi.. maybe through Moore or Arvy there and see who works better then possibly move the other..
What I’m trying to do is get rid of redundant players who could be replaced by someone in the AHL

Long post and I’m sorry, but this is what I’m hoping to see in our lineups.. size, skill and speed

Fiala - Kopitar - Kaliyev

Iafallo - Danault - Kempe

Moore - Byfield - Vilardi

Grundstrom - Kupari - Fagemo

Lizotte - Pepe

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I think it was a hot streak, but now he is on a cold streak. Most less experienced players go through these swings.

Vilardi is a tough player to get a read on and always has been.

Hard to ignore his total lack of production when guys like Fiala and even Kopitar are consistently producing.

I don’t think the hot streak was a total fluke but it was definitely closer to a fluke than it was a new norm. Vilardi appears to need very specific linemates and deployment to produce.

 

[lumbergh]

Because it’s easy to harp and nitpick an aging superstar and current captain..

Has not one muthaf***er on our Kings board notice yet that the 2nd line is Danault… while Moore is a hustle guy, Arvy is a volume shooter who can be neutralized with minimal contact. He also puts the Kings at a disadvantage each time he shots because 99% of the time he completely misses the net and it makes its way around the boards towards the blue line??!!?? Durzi is in the same boat…. This team has bigger issues than Kopitar isn’t what he use to be!

Fiala - Kopitar - Kaliyev… are vibing and should stay intact
Everything else is up for grabs imo, maybe reunite Iafallo-Danault-Kempe and see if it reignites them and if not, move one or both
Byfield will return and should absolutely reunite with Vilardi.. maybe through Moore or Arvy there and see who works better then possibly move the other..
What I’m trying to do is get rid of redundant players who could be replaced by someone in the AHL

Long post and I’m sorry, but this is what I’m hoping to see in our lineups.. size, skill and speed

Fiala - Kopitar - Kaliyev

Iafallo - Danault - Kempe

Moore - Byfield - Vilardi

Grundstrom - Kupari - Fagemo

Lizotte - Pepe

Give me:

Fiala - Kopitar - Vilardi

Moore - Danault - Kaliyev

Iafallo - Byfield - Kempe

Grundstrom - Kupari/JAD - Fagemo

Lizzo - Kupari/JAD

More importantly, the Kings have to break up the Durzi-Roy combo, which has not worked all year:

Durzi - Doughty

Anderson/Bjornfot - Roy

Bjornfot/Anderson - Spence

Edler

 

[Schmooley]

Last 10 games:

Kings record: 4 wins 6 losses

42 goals against, 36 goals for
Net -5 on special teams

Kopitar (7 goals) and Fiala (9 assists) leading forwards with 11 points, Durzi leading defensemen with 10 points

Trevor Moore (2 points) and Vilardi (3 points) not producing

Even strength Goals For %:
Best:
Iafallo 4 GF 1 GA, 80%
Anderson 13 GF 7 GA 65%
Kopitar 15 GF 9 GA 62.5%
Fiala 13 GF 8 GA 61.9%
Kempe 9 GF 6 GA 60%
...
Worst:
Danault 1 GF 9 GA 10%
Moore 1 GF 8 GA 11.1%
Arvidsson 3 GF 9 GA 25%
Edler 4 GF 7 GF 36.4%

I keep seeing all these posts complaining about Kopitar in the GDTs, yet he's doing what he does, leading the team all over the ice. I don't see many of you calling out the giant problem that is the Danault line. Getting outscored 1 to 9 is not acceptable. That line is sinking the Kings while many are pointing fingers at the guys actually propping this team up.

I was on Kopitars case because he was playing badly. Since around the time Cal got sent down he has been playing much better for the most part. I havent seen anyone nitpicking him recently for his play but mostly his leadership and saying its time for a change of the core.
I have been saying Danault has been bad since training camp and no one has agreed. Arvidsson is getting points but looks really bad this year also. Feel for Moore because he is putting in work and playing like he always does but cant carry a line by himself.