Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[kings11]

I don't know if Roy's always been like that but he completely sucks at blocking cross ice passes.
Time and again on the PK the puck just goes between his feet or under his stick, and on odd man rushes, no attempt at blocking the pass (ex. last night).
Fox properly called it out later on without naming him.
But what happened to getting a stick down or getting on one knee to block a pass? Is that not a good way to defend anymore? I just don't see it much.

Roy is an above average defender but this are his flaws and it really stems from the fact that he plays a smothering defense rather than a preemptive one.
One of the guys post last season that Roy is one of the worse Dmen at preventing zone entry to add to your post and of course now add Durzi.
There seems to have been a change of some kind in how they PK because not only have they gotten worse, they also barely attach the pass as a group and are lame ducks out there.. we need a new coach or staff at Thai point.

 

[Kudelski37]

I don't know if Roy's always been like that but he completely sucks at blocking cross ice passes.
Time and again on the PK the puck just goes between his feet or under his stick, and on odd man rushes, no attempt at blocking the pass (ex. last night).
Fox properly called it out later on without naming him.
But what happened to getting a stick down or getting on one knee to block a pass? Is that not a good way to defend anymore? I just don't see it much.

Fox could have been talking about Durzi allowing the pass twice on the short handed goal.

 

[unicornpig]

What's funny is Blake set the current comp for goalies with the cal deal. This with cal never playing a full season and with less than 50 total played games. Some real galaxy brain GMing

 

[Kudelski37]

What's funny is Blake set the current comp for goalies with the cal deal. This with cal never playing a full season and with less than 50 total played games. Some real galaxy brain GMing

No. The Rangers set the comps when they extended an even less experienced Shesterkin a month before Blake extended Cal. Cal had played 54 NHL games compared to 48 for Shesterkin at the time of signing of their extensions.

 

[YP44]

No. The Rangers set the comps when they extended an even less experienced Shesterkin a month before Blake extended Cal. Cal had played 54 NHL games compared to 48 for Shesterkin at the time of signing of their extensions.

wasn't merzlikins signed right around then too?

 

[FSL KINGS]

What's funny is Blake set the current comp for goalies with the cal deal. This with cal never playing a full season and with less than 50 total played games. Some real galaxy brain GMing

Completely owned the Oilers though.


7.9, 11, 5.5
1.9*, 5.5, 4.3
4, 1.7, 0.83*
1.3, 0.75, 0.89

* Are RFA's that should jump to around the 4M mark for next season.

A look at salary distribution for the forward positions with Kempe moved back to wing. Next year there is going to be a lot of money spent on the wing. King's also need to integrate, Kaliyev, Fagemo & Kupari into the lineup.

Center seems like it is under invested in. They no doubt wanted to leave a spot for Byfield. The smarter move is to bring Byfield in at Lizotte's position & get a reliable 3C.

 

[Master Yoda]

Fox could have been talking about Durzi allowing the pass twice on the short handed goal.

He was specifically talking about the 2v1 where Laine scored. He said the dman (Roy) should be more aware who's on the ice and should've done more to prevent the pass to Laine.

There's been too many 2v1s where the dman neither takes away the pass nor tries to block the shot. Just skating backwards and letting them do whatever they want.

On the shorty, I think Durzi actually played that okay. He tipped the first cross pass and that should have been enough to nullify the situation.
The forwards were lazy and just stopped skating back and the BJs had so much time that even with Durzi tipping the pass they made a second cross ice pass without a backchecker.
Durzi did all he could on that play.

 

[bouncesonly]

Fox really expected Roy to block the cross ice pass on a 2-on-1 where the pass happened above the circles? It would have been nice but that's a great shot by Laine from that far out.

 

[Kudelski37]

He was specifically talking about the 2v1 where Laine scored. He said the dman (Roy) should be more aware who's on the ice and should've done more to prevent the pass to Laine.

There's been too many 2v1s where the dman neither takes away the pass nor tries to block the shot. Just skating backwards and letting them do whatever they want.

On the shorty, I think Durzi actually played that okay. He tipped the first cross pass and that should have been enough to nullify the situation.
The forwards were lazy and just stopped skating back and the BJs had so much time that even with Durzi tipping the pass they made a second cross ice pass without a backchecker.
Durzi did all he could on that play.

He stopped defending after the first pass. If he can't do more than that, he needs to go.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Fox really expected Roy to block the cross ice pass on a 2-on-1 where the pass happened above the circles? It would have been nice but that's a great shot by Laine from that far out.

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Yes, Dman's job there...is to prevent that pass, let Quick take the shooter.....

 

[SettlementRichie10]

An ideal line up for any hockey team would include at least one goaltender. The Kings need goaltending at least as much as they do another Dman. While the rest of the lineup is pretty good next year would not be any better without a decent goalie.

Ideal is relative. Ideal for a contending team? Yeah, they need at least one solid goalie. But the Kings’s goaltending situation is a disaster, so we have to temper expectations.

Quick is under contract through 23/24. He’s not going anywhere next season. Who knows what happens to Peterson at this point.

 

[Kudelski37]

Ideal is relative. Ideal for a contending team? Yeah, they need at least one solid goalie. But the Kings’s goaltending situation is a disaster, so we have to temper expectations.

Quick is under contract through 23/24. He’s not going anywhere next season. Who knows what happens to Peterson at this point.

Quick does not have a contract for next season.

 

[Telos]

Fox really expected Roy to block the cross ice pass on a 2-on-1 where the pass happened above the circles? It would have been nice but that's a great shot by Laine from that far out.

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I get what you're saying but there isn't a coach alive that is going to say stand there and coast back into your goaltender and not do anything. You have to make a call. The correct call that gets drilled into everyone since peewee is to get in between there, disrupt the pass, look for a rebound, and box out a man from the crease. A scoring chance shot is likely to be taken, but it is the goaltender's job to take the shooter with the puck, and it is always the defenseman's job to take the passing lane. Roy literally ended up doing absolutely nothing on the play. Quick actually played it perfectly, he was high out of his crease and made a nice side-to-side sprawl. Laine's shot was absolutely perfect over Quick's shoulder high. The only player out of the four involved that could have done anything different was Roy, outside of the rest on the ice not allowing the odd man rush in the first place.

I am fine is giving it to Quick, he is a vet and a fierce competitor, he can take it, but there's literally nothing else for him to do here. Same with the next one as the defense allows two cross-ice passes for another one-timer. He deserves some shit for goals 1, 4, and 6 although all were difficult high-scoring chances he should have made at least one of those, he had absolutely no chance on 2 and 3, while literally all of them could have been prevented with a sliver of defensive awareness, but that goes without saying.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Not casting blame on any one player, it's a team thing. Though, still not a fan of Durzi..

If the team stays Status quo, I hope they do not resign Quick for next season and beyond.

 

[YP44]

Yes, Dman's job there...is to prevent that pass, let Quick take the shooter.....

I think the point there is the pass happened above the circles. If Roy or any D-man was that aggressive they would be just as likely to get burned and have a 2-0 from that point inwards

 

[Telos]

Not casting blame on any one player, it's a team thing. Though, still not a fan of Durzi..

If the team stays Status quo, I hope they do not resign Quick for next season and beyond.

I agree on both counts unless they keep Petersen and go into next season with him. If they aren't able to find a decent ~1B or solid real backup then it would be hard to let Quick walk and go into next season with Petersen/Copley or something like that. At that point I would knock on Quick's door for a cheap one-year deal and hope he talks an Edler contract; however, he likely would look for and probably would get a two-year deal elsewhere for more. People knock him a lot but he is loved around the league and there are far worse options at backup than a guy that has his experience and could potentially come in during a clutch situation and steal the show, especially with a lot of rest.

As for Durzi, I have had him on the trade bus since 3/4 of the way into last season. He isn't bad value to hold onto at his current contract although his trade value may never be better. I would be open to dealing him although there aren't many teams or deals out there I can think of it working. It isn't really Durzi's fault either as he is just being relied upon too high in the lineup. He would be pretty good if he was a 3rd pairing powerplay specialist. He probably could yield a very high price if we were able to protect him and utilize him as such.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I get what you're saying but there isn't a coach alive that is going to say stand there and coast back into your goaltender and not do anything. You have to make a call. The correct call that gets drilled into everyone since peewee is to get in between there, disrupt the pass, look for a rebound, and box out a man from the crease. A scoring chance shot is likely to be taken, but it is the goaltender's job to take the shooter with the puck, and it is always the defenseman's job to take the passing lane. Roy literally ended up doing absolutely nothing on the play. Quick actually played it perfectly, he was high out of his crease and made a nice side-to-side sprawl. Laine's shot was absolutely perfect over Quick's shoulder high. The only player out of the four involved that could have done anything different was Roy, outside of the rest on the ice not allowing the odd man rush in the first place.

I am fine is giving it to Quick, he is a vet and a fierce competitor, he can take it, but there's literally nothing else for him to do here. Same with the next one as the defense allows two cross-ice passes for another one-timer. He deserves some shit for goals 1, 4, and 6 although all were difficult high-scoring chances he should have made at least one of those, he had absolutely no chance on 2 and 3, while literally all of them could have been prevented with a sliver of defensive awareness, but that goes without saying.

1 yes, 4 I don't remember....was that the PP goal that he was screened on, and 6 you are out of your mind, he made a great save on the 1st shot.....nothing you can do on that rebound when he has to A. hit it out of the air with his hand, and B. have Fiala mishandle it....into the net...

I think the point there is the pass happened above the circles. If Roy or any D-man was that aggressive they would be just as likely to get burned and have a 2-0 from that point inwards

No....no chance of a 2-0 unless Roy suddently sprints for the offensive zone

 

[Kudelski37]

I think the point there is the pass happened above the circles. If Roy or any D-man was that aggressive they would be just as likely to get burned and have a 2-0 from that point inwards

This is why Doughty has been so good on odd man breaks in his career. He slides towards the puck carrier when he goes belly down to cut off the passing lane. It pressures the puck while eliminating the pass. How many times has the puck ended up either in the corner or under Drew on this kind of play?

 

[Telos]

1 yes, 4 I don't remember....was that the PP goal that he was screened on, and 6 you are out of your mind, he made a great save on the 1st shot.....nothing you can do on that rebound when he has to A. hit it out of the air with his hand, and B. have Fiala mishandle it....into the net...

I agree but the pitchforks are out for him on the board and you know people are going to criticize him for "playing himself out of position" on the play although I think he would have had it if Fiala didn't touch it, at the same time, I don't fault Fiala there either because it is split second and you can't rely on hoping Quick getting a hand on it. If you're there you do something. It was an unfortunate play or bounce, but people are here specifically knocking Quick, some fairly and some unfairly, for being out of position after the initial shot and taking himself out of the play.

 

[YP44]

the winner was a flukey goal, but the team needs to be better net out.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

This is why Doughty has been so good on odd man breaks in his career. He slides towards the puck carrier when he goes belly down to cut off the passing lane. It pressures the puck while eliminating the pass. How many times has the puck ended up either in the corner or under Drew on this kind of play?

DD fearlessness may be his best quality now days. That’s not a slight. The guy is brass.

 

[Telos]

Doughty gets shit on a lot because he clearly isn't the $10 million man anymore, but he is and has always been easily the best defenseman on the roster. Flaws and all there is no one else you want out there if you need to defend a lead. While not terrible though, he isn't the best option to have out there when you absolutely need a goal and can't drive offense, but he is very good at retrieving and getting the puck up the ice. He'd be awesome if his contract was ~$2M cheaper and he had someone on his pairing that could either drive offense or he could have his minutes reduced, but it is what it is. Doughty is likely to be here for full price the next 3-4 years.

 

[Bandit]

The only goalie that has played more games than Quick so far this year is Carter Hart. He has ONE more game than Quick. He’s also 12 years younger. Twelve.

Of the other 4 goalies that have played the same number of games as Quick, he is AT LEAST 7 years older than all of them.

Up. Yours. Blake.

 

[kingsholygrail]

No. The Rangers set the comps when they extended an even less experienced Shesterkin a month before Blake extended Cal. Cal had played 54 NHL games compared to 48 for Shesterkin at the time of signing of their extensions.

And if all the GMs jumped off a bridge, Blake should do it too right?

 

[Bandit]

And if all the GMs jumped off a bridge, Blake should do it too right?

If that’s what it takes, I’m willing to sacrifice all the other GMs. I know a good bridge in Pasadena for this…