Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[Kurrilino]

I want to touch on this..
I don’t think he’s having a good year but he is trying, I think he and others are simply trying too much..

Fair point but the NHLis no development league. Trying is not enough.
Same point for Sutters favorite phrase "We did the little things right"

In the NHL you have to play reliable a top level and do the biggest things right on a constant base and with confidence.
I you have player who can't, you don't win the cup, which is the point of the whole circus.

We have to start holding players accountable for the position they signed for.

Top defender pair is supposed to shut down opponents top lines, top 6 forwards are supposed to force their play on other teams.

 

[Kurrilino]

We have three guys in the top 50 points scorers among defensemen. Durzi (19th), Doughty (24th), and Roy (40th).

This is true but we don't even have a defender in top 100 in the +/- stats which is very concerning
Anderson is 167th and Doughty is 255th.

As example the Devils top pair is 1st and 6th and this directly reflects in the standing

 

[shuchukfan]

How many coaches in the NHL actually fulfill their entire tenure as coach and don't get fired beforehand? Seems like most either get an extension or get terminated. Unless I'm mistaken, they rarely get to the end of their contract and move on.

Also, what legacy will Tmac leave with this team? Terry Murray instilled a home plate mentality and got them playing excellent defense. Sutter tweaked Murray's system and brought in a hardworking forecheck. John Stevens brought in ice cream. Willie D brought the worst coaching I've ever seen for LA. Tmac?

 

[kings11]

Fair point but the NHLis no development league. Trying is not enough.
Same point for Sutters favorite phrase "We did the little things right"

In the NHL you have to play reliable a top level and do the biggest things right on a constant base and with confidence.
I you have player who can't, you don't win the cup, which is the point of the whole circus.

We have to start holding players accountable for the position they signed for.

Top defender pair is supposed to shut down opponents top lines, top 6 forwards are supposed to force their play on other teams.

I agree, and was hoping to see the following no such luck from toddy todd

Doughty off the PP1 and reduced overall minutes

Durzi limited to the PP1 and the 3rd pairing with a limit on 5v5 time.. but this would just increase the minutes on the top 4 which should be more evenly spread out. He needs to be traded

Roy is the biggest disappointment as he’s been regressing for the second year in a row. Either they pair him with Bjornfot and get a shutdown pairing or they move him and clear space for both Spence and Clarke

Anderson - Doughty

TRADE - Spence

Bjornfot - Clarke

If they want that difference making LHD, then the following are all on the table

Kempe
Durzi
Roy
Kupari
Grans
Grundstrom
With Moore supposedly close to signing.. maybe Ardvisson

Kempe + Roy gets you a really nice LHD, add in Durzi and who knows

 

[Statto]

I want to touch on this..
I don’t think he’s having a good year but he is trying, I think he and others are simply trying too much..
doughty and Durzi are pushing the play to hard and it’s leading to all these TOs. Matt Roy hasn’t been the same since our own Kevin Fiala slobberknocked him.
At this point it’s time to cash in on Durzi and Roy while inserting Spence, Bjornfot and Clarke.
I still think Drew cares very deeply but I also think he’s starting to realize that he’s not a #1 Dman

Doughty actually has a better turnover rate than last season, sorry I’m pedantic about this stuff - it’s a compulsion. However I do agree he is trying, I just think the issue is that’s he’s still racking up minutes that I think would be too high if he were 25.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Cool. Glad we're continuing to keep Durzi-Roy as a thing:

 

[King'sPawn]

I know, every other team has exceptions and reasons for why things happen, the Kings are just terrible. Can believe in Sea, despite being coached by Hakstol. Can't believe in the Kings, because they're coached by McLellan.

No.

Every team, including the Kings, has reasons why they may make it and reasons why they may not. With the Kings, the foundation of their success the past 14 years (structure, defense, and goaltending) has imploded.

The Kings, with improved offense last year, couldn't outscore their problems. Now they need to outscore their problems even more.

That's not a reasonable expectation.

 

[King'sPawn]

Makes sense. Clearly Quick was the reason the Kings lost 5-0.

 

[bland]

Makes sense. Clearly Quick was the reason the Kings lost 5-0.

Imagine being Fagemo and Bjornfot.

Called up, succeed, then sat while the team loses their mud. Then sat again.

This is gross mismanagement. Continual gross mismanagement.

 

[kilowatt]

This is true but we don't even have a defender in top 100 in the +/- stats which is very concerning
Anderson is 167th and Doughty is 255th.

As example the Devils top pair is 1st and 6th and this directly reflects in the standing

I'd love to see a bit of progress at home before we go out and make a big move. Here's what I'd do next game:

Fiala - Kopitar - Kempe
Iafallo - Byfield - Vilardi
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Kaliyev

Anderson - Doughty
Bjornfot - Roy
Moverare - Durzi

Quick
Copley

Roll the top three lines equally at even strength.

PP1:
Vilardi - Byfield - Kaliyev
Fiala - Durzi

PP2:
Danault - Kopitar - Arvidsson
Bjornfot - Kempe

PK1:
Moore - Danault

PK2:
Lizotte - Grundstrom

PK3:
Kopitar - Iafallo

Rotate Anderson/Doughty and Bjornfot/Roy through those three pairs as needed.

 

[KingsFan7824]

There are crazy GM's that trade for guys like Lucic & Risto. OEL to Van comes to mind. 2 of those guys no longer GM's, but it just takes one.

Moving Doughty to the left: Durzi struggles on his off side trying to make passed up ice. Doughty mostly regroups & goes behind the net anyways so moving the puck up ice quickly on his backhand shouldn't be an issue.

Doughty's inability to move the puck quickly should have him paired with a puck mover. Clarke, Spence, Durzi are all Righties. I'd give Doughty a shot on the left side. Having Clarke, Spence & Durzi in the lineup probably helps more than Doughty on offside hurts.

Trading for an offensive top pair left defender is going to be expensive & may be unnecessary with the defenders the King's have coming if Doughty can make the switch.

Lucic was traded in the last year of a contract. Risto had 1 year left. Not the same. Not close.

OEL, sure, but Ari also got nothing but bad players and contracts back. but they didn't care, because they were rebuilding. But the Kings aren't in the same position. Just like the Kings have never been in a similar situation with Kopitar and Doughty as the Hawks with Kane and Toews this year.

No.

Every team, including the Kings, has reasons why they may make it and reasons why they may not. With the Kings, the foundation of their success the past 14 years (structure, defense, and goaltending) has imploded.

The Kings, with improved offense last year, couldn't outscore their problems. Now they need to outscore their problems even more.

That's not a reasonable expectation.

Yes, they're currently in the crap with the rest of the crap in the West, but not in the basement. If the Kings get even worse, yes, it'll be unlikely to make the playoffs. But as of today, the teams chasing them are just as bad, if not worse. To say they're very unlikely to make thew playoffs as of right now, is just not true. There simply aren't enough good teams in the West to say that.

 

[King'sPawn]

Imagine being Fagemo and Bjornfot.

Called up, succeed, then sat while the team loses their mud. Then sat again.

This is gross mismanagement. Continual gross mismanagement.

Vets get time to make it work. Prospects get punished.

 

[kings11]

Doughty actually has a better turnover rate than last season, sorry I’m pedantic about this stuff - it’s a compulsion. However I do agree he is trying, I just think the issue is that’s he’s still racking up minutes that I think would be too high if he were 25.

Yup, it’s the same shit Todd is doing to Kopitar..
They need to reduce his minutes, get him less PP time

What this team really needs is a big-ish defensive LHD but who TF is available? I’d start with Kempe + so who can we get to stabilize the backend?

 

[bland]

Vets get time to make it work. Prospects get punished.

I just want one questioned answered. What is the upside to handling your roster in this manner?

This team is just nowhere near being constructed to win a playoff series. Nobody at all suited for trench warfare. Hell, the softest teams in the league manhandle the Kings in single games, they have no chance at all in a series.

There is no rhyme or reason to prospect development - only a bona-fide idiot thinks its better for kids NOT to play, especially coming off of truncated covid years.

Its just been one misstep after another during Blake's tenure and his team is no closer to success than the moment he took over. He has simply failed at every turn.

 

[unicornpig]

How many coaches in the NHL actually fulfill their entire tenure as coach and don't get fired beforehand? Seems like most either get an extension or get terminated. Unless I'm mistaken, they rarely get to the end of their contract and move on.

Also, what legacy will Tmac leave with this team? Terry Murray instilled a home plate mentality and got them playing excellent defense. Sutter tweaked Murray's system and brought in a hardworking forecheck. John Stevens brought in ice cream. Willie D brought the worst coaching I've ever seen for LA. Tmac?

How many coaches in the NHL actually fulfill their entire tenure as coach and don't get fired beforehand? Seems like most either get an extension or get terminated. Unless I'm mistaken, they rarely get to the end of their contract and move on.

Also, what legacy will Tmac leave with this team? Terry Murray instilled a home plate mentality and got them playing excellent defense. Sutter tweaked Murray's system and brought in a hardworking forecheck. John Stevens brought in ice cream. Willie D brought the worst coaching I've ever seen for LA. Tmac?

Willie d was an interim coach with a team that needed to be blown up. TM is the second highest paid coach who's made one playoff run at the expense of developing young players, which he continues to do this season

 

[AbsentMojo]

Imagine being Fagemo and Bjornfot.

Called up, succeed, then sat while the team loses their mud. Then sat again.

This is gross mismanagement. Continual gross mismanagement.

Undeniably true. Making the playoffs last year only gave this fool more time to get himself fired... this team isnt moving forward, its moving in tighter circles as if down a toilet

 

[unicornpig]

Makes sense. Clearly Quick was the reason the Kings lost 5-0.

Kings playing a bb relax lol

 

[AbsentMojo]

Makes sense. Clearly Quick was the reason the Kings lost 5-0.

This is about the only thing Im happy about.. Let Copley get some games and see what he can do.. JQ is not having a good year so far, not that he is to blame for hapless performance against the Leafs.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Willie d was an interim coach with a team that needed to be blown up. TM is the second highest paid coach who's made one playoff run at the expense of developing young players, which he continues to do this season

Yes Willie D was the supreme tank commander- deserving of a purple heart for the bravery required to lose games on purpose

 

[bland]

This is about the only thing Im happy about.. Let Copley get some games and see what he can do.. JQ is not having a good year so far, not that he is to blame for hapless performance against the Leafs.

That's the thing about Quick though. Even if he plays well it still often isn't enough because his style has been figured out and all the kids and sticks nowadays are ready to go bar down.

Goalies that drop early are just sitting ducks. He could make one quality save after another, let in no softies, and STILL get beat for four because every one can pick corners now. He doesn't have the reflexes he had in his prime to cover for the fewer opponents that could pick their spots 8-10 years ago.

 

[Nasti]

Makes sense. Clearly Quick was the reason the Kings lost 5-0.

I don’t know about you, but I’m sick and tired of seeing Quick out there on every power play.

 

[YAYSAY]

I agree, and was hoping to see the following no such luck from toddy todd

Doughty off the PP1 and reduced overall minutes

Durzi limited to the PP1 and the 3rd pairing with a limit on 5v5 time.. but this would just increase the minutes on the top 4 which should be more evenly spread out. He needs to be traded

Roy is the biggest disappointment as he’s been regressing for the second year in a row. Either they pair him with Bjornfot and get a shutdown pairing or they move him and clear space for both Spence and Clarke

Anderson - Doughty

TRADE - Spence

Bjornfot - Clarke

If they want that difference making LHD, then the following are all on the table

Kempe
Durzi
Roy
Kupari
Grans
Grundstrom
With Moore supposedly close to signing.. maybe Ardvisson

Kempe + Roy gets you a really nice LHD, add in Durzi and who knows

They're not trading Spence.

 

[Cianide]

It’s not though, he played plenty of RW in junior and had his most productive spell on the wing.

Why do you try to paint him as a winger? He's not and it's clear. Maybe he played a couple shifts as one but the guy's a natural center.

 

[YAYSAY]

Why do you try to paint him as a winger? He's not and it's clear. Maybe he played a couple shifts as one but the guy's a natural center.

And yet he's had way more success in his pro career at wing than at center.

 

[Cianide]

And yet he's had way more success in his pro career at wing than at center.

That's because when he broke into the league dude looked lost in the neutral zone. Management couldn't have been patient with him because they don't know if they want to win now or develop the kids.