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imo if that's 2 big guys shouldering up, refs tell em good hard play, whistles stay down

big guy and a small guy, that's what happens.. it's not like robertson didn't see it coming, he was leaning in too, he was just in a weaker position and smaller
 

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In the Roy Robertson thing yesterday .. they were both going for a 50/50 puck - and normally refs allow plenty of contact in those scenarios...is there a rule that addresses it, or is it just reffing convention.. e.g. if Roy dont give him that extra shove, all good right?


That was a tough one because 9 times out 10, both players initiate contact....thats not what happened here...it's clear interference, but I got a feeling it was only called because of the violence/injury on it.
 

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The Kings were in over there heads but tied 0-0 when Lizotte speared that Leaf after he head shotted AK34.
Lizzo should have confronted him yes, but without the spear and also avoiding an instigator. Thats when the dam broke. Lizotte has a huge heart and often shows up the other players and motivates them with his effort. However, Lizzo has made some costly mistakes this year the Kings need a bigger 4c, with some toughness in addition to addressing the crossroads at goaltending and getting an upgrade on 2 LHD. Due to the goaltending situation I think you need to give Copley more looks and he should start against the team of the snobby French people. That said, Quick had the Kings hanging in the game for the first period and I don't consider him the main culprit last night
 
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That was a tough one because 9 times out 10, both players initiate contact....thats not what happened here...it's clear interference, but I got a feeling it was only called because of the violence/injury on it.
Probably.. Also Roy didnt attempt to play the puck, he seemed to treat as if Robertson had possession and finished his check instead of battling toward the puck (which is also why Robertson was not prepared for that hit).. but I do think you are right that if Robertson hadnt been injured it may have been a no call. Just more wondered if there is something in the rule book that says what kind of contact is not interference when both players are going for an unpossessed puck at same time.
 
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Is it really all that bad if the Kings do not make the playoffs this year? Granted, it would be a BIG disappointment considering DD is back, added Fiala, etc. But the current problems are more roster setup that can be fixed with proper hockey trades and player utilization (minutes, lines, etc.). The D especially can be fixed very easily.

So let's say GV continues playing well; young guys get more time the rest of the season and showing they belong (AK34, Bjorn, Spence, Clarke); QB eventually comes back and shows he can be a true #3 (and eventually more); etc. But we just miss out on the playoffs -- due to bad goaltending and some shoddy LHD, PK.

We get a very good draft pick in a loaded draft -- not to mention being in the lottery with the potential to move higher up. We have loads of assets to trade this offseason to fix holes -- Durzi, Arvi, Rasmus, Kempe, prospects, draft picks, etc.

Maybe we get a new coach due to missing out on the playoffs too. Someone who won't continue to ride DD/Kopi to death among other issues.
Do you see Vilardi even remotely interested in being on a losing LA team? The Kings have jerked the kids around so hard, with nothing to show for it. It’s hard to build for the future when the building blocks are not likely to stick around.
 
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Probably.. Also Roy didnt attempt to play the puck, he seemed to treat as if Robertson had possession and finished his check instead of battling toward the puck (which is also why Robertson was not prepared for that hit).. but I do think you are right that if Robertson hadnt been injured it may have been a no call. Just more wondered if there is something in the rule book that says what kind of contact is not interference when both players are going for an unpossessed puck at same time.

Generally it's when both players initiate....there is nothing in the rule book that says such and such contact is penalized etc,

It was clear interference as Robertson never had possession of the puck, but like I said 9 out of 10 times, both players are iniating contact, that was not one of them.
 
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AEG/Roski bought the Kings in Oct 95. Taylor was GM from 97 to 06. Just under 10 years.

Leiweke started in 96 with AEG and it took him 10 years to wake up and hire an actual executive. He was caught up with getting the salary cap in place before he decided that letting someone with a high school diploma was a bad choice to run a multi-million dollar franchise.

Hopefully Dan Beckerman is waking up from his Covid nightmare and aware that a guy who can barely speak English is a bad choice for president of your NHL franchise. If it takes 10 years to get rid of Luc and Rob the main victims will be Kings fans. Collateral damage will be draft picks in the first or second round.

Someone should explain to Dan Beckerman what happened to Boyle, Tambellini and Pushkarev. In the meantime someone should explain to BLuc that living in Burbank and Hermosa is a sweet retirement. And having to work out of town if your wife doesn’t want you in the house isn’t the worst thing in the world.
 

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AEG/Roski bought the Kings in Oct 95. Taylor was GM from 97 to 06. Just under 10 years.

Leiweke started in 96 with AEG and it took him 10 years to wake up and hire an actual executive. He was caught up with getting the salary cap in place before he decided that letting someone with a high school diploma was a bad choice to run a multi-million dollar franchise.

Hopefully Dan Beckerman is waking up from his Covid nightmare and aware that a guy who can barely speak English is a bad choice for president of your NHL franchise. If it takes 10 years to get rid of Luc and Rob the main victims will be Kings fans. Collateral damage will be draft picks in the first or second round.

Someone should explain to Dan Beckerman what happened to Boyle, Tambellini and Pushkarev.

As opposed to Brown and Kopitar and Quick...who were all Taylor draft picks as well......
 

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Do you see Vilardi even remotely interested in being on a losing LA team? The Kings have jerked the kids around so hard, with nothing to show for it. It’s hard to build for the future when the building blocks are not likely to stick around.
Doesn't really matter since he's a RFA who hasn't had a good contract yet. He'll be here for a minimum of 5 more years, I'm guessing. Getting a solid contract is more important than winning to 95% of the guys in the NHL anyways.
 

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2019 draft class stats (notable: Cozens point a game this year)... sigh

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Do you see Vilardi even remotely interested in being on a losing LA team? The Kings have jerked the kids around so hard, with nothing to show for it. It’s hard to build for the future when the building blocks are not likely to stick around.
He seems really happy and will still be an RFA. So unless he want to sit out, which would shock me, he will be resigned. Sometimes when people make you earn it and assist you in becoming a really good player , it means a lot more when you do. So I believe he will stick around and be happy.
 

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Imagine taking Seider......hell or even Knight........
Yes Seider - but another RHD tho. A lot of them after Turcotte are hitting - Cozens is surprising... I guess we'll just have to consol ourselves that Kaliyev dropped to us in round 2..

oh god, not this crap again. I thought we left this stuff in the off-season thread...
Huh? Its an ongoing story that keeps developing - its interesting to see who is breaking out, out of that class... i hope at this time next year we Turcotte putting up some numbers w NHL club.
 
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Yes Seider - but another RHD tho. A lot of them after Turcotte are hitting - Cozens is surprising... I guess we'll just have to consol ourselves that Kaliyev dropped to us in round 2..


Huh? Its an ongoing story that keeps developing - its interesting to see who is breaking out, out of that class... i hope at this time next year we Turcotte putting up some numbers w NHL club.

Sorry, didn't mean to snap at your post.
Same here. If we finally get a healthy productive Turcotte in the next few years, it could be like Valardi 2.0. Unfortunately , nobody could have seen drafting the sick/injured guy [other than Byrum] and it's taking longer for him to get to the nhl. If Petersen hadn't been such a high prospect at the time, they may have gone after Knight, but it would've been pretty risky taking a goalie at 5.
 

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Sorry, didn't mean to snap at your post.
Same here. If we finally get a healthy productive Turcotte in the next few years, it could be like Valardi 2.0. Unfortunately , nobody could have seen drafting the sick/injured guy [other than Byrum] and it's taking longer for him to get to the nhl. If Petersen hadn't been such a high prospect at the time, they may have gone after Knight, but it would've been pretty risky taking a goalie at 5.
In that McKenna interview he was really puzzled how they gave Cal the contract.. this is a guy that knows what goalies should be paid.. i think most everyone here thought it was crazy.. but a few said its the going rate...Its a very bad misstep - esp if it prevented getting the future guy like Knight or Wallstedt. Turcotte could develop.. he's basically lost a full year to injuries of some sort.
 
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Doesn't really matter since he's a RFA who hasn't had a good contract yet. He'll be here for a minimum of 5 more years, I'm guessing. Getting a solid contract is more important than winning to 95% of the guys in the NHL anyways.
RFA just means one more season. Not exactly a future. Why would he re-sign if he has been yo yo’d up and down the AHL, NHL and the lineups and what looked to be in every trade conversations. If you are not winning, why would he stick around unless he was overpaid?
 

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Are we just all assuming that Turcotte’s dead in the water? He’s played a grand total of 8 games through no fault of his own. He’s a really talented hockey player. He still has a bright future in LA.
 

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Are we just all assuming that Turcotte’s dead in the water? He’s played a grand total of 8 games through no fault of his own. He’s a really talented hockey player. He still has a bright future in LA.

No, I was theorizing what if the Kings had the balls to take Seider.....then that begs the question, do they take Clarke? If not Clarke then who?
 

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RFA just means one more season. Not exactly a future. Why would he re-sign if he has been yo yo’d up and down the AHL, NHL and the lineups and what looked to be in every trade conversations. If you are not winning, why would he stick around unless he was overpaid?
Vilardi cannot become a UFA for 4 years at the earliest.

And what trade conversations? Ones around here? I doubt he reads the boards. And if players only stuck around if they were winning, how would the NHL even have 30 teams? Guys would be asking for trades left and right.
 

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No, I was theorizing what if the Kings had the balls to take Seider.....then that begs the question, do they take Clarke? If not Clarke then who?
What do you mean "the balls to take Seider"? That pick was bonkers. There's no reason to believe the Kings or any other team outside Detroit had Seider ranked ahead of Broberg or York or Harley. How do you know that if Blake had the balls to reach for a defenseman that Seider would have even been the pick?
 

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What do you mean "the balls to take Seider"? That pick was bonkers. There's no reason to believe the Kings or any other team outside Detroit had Seider ranked ahead of Broberg or York or Harley. How do you know that if Blake had the balls to reach for a defenseman that Seider would have even been the pick?

Meaning, take a player completely off grid that you 100% believe in, or do you not think that's what Detroit did?
 

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Meaning, take a player completely off grid that you 100% believe in, or do you not think that's what Detroit did?
I do think that's what Detroit did. My point is if Blake did have the balls to take a player completely off the grid that he 100% believed in there is no reason to believe that Seider would have been that player. Maybe Blake did have the balls to take a player completely off the grid he 100% believed in there just wasn't an off the grid player he 100% believed in. The Detroit Seider pick came out of nowhere.

I.e. its akin to saying "I wish Lombardi had the balls to take McDonagh/Shattenkirk/Subban in 2007".....he did have the balls...he just thought Hickey was the ballsy pick.
 
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