Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[YP44]

That says he's probably not a 55g guy.



If he gets 50pts this year, he's getting $5m.

if he gets $5M i hope it is over 8 years. Go big or go home gamble for LA.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Durzi woudl get benched by Sutter keeping an eye on this

 

[Statto]

Durzi woudl get benched by Sutter keeping an eye on this

Durzi gets 3 pp goals, we concede 6 at even strength in a 3-6 loss. Durzi is -4 and we all argue relentlessly about how good/bad he is for the next month…. Well, we continue to argue about it, just with a touch more bitterness.

 

[bmr]

In Vilardi's first 15 games, he had 10 goals and 5 assists for 15 points.

In the last 12 games, he has 3 goals and 1 assist for 4 points.

True breakout year or fluke start?

Breakout - he still needs to learn how to keep this pace across an entire season. Conditioning, proper diet and more experience will help with that.

 

[Little Psycho]

Didn’t know the game was against the lafs. Gonna miss most it, I hate these 4pm starts.

 

[Schrute farms]

Durzi gets 3 pp goals, we concede 6 at even strength in a 3-6 loss. Durzi is -4 ....

Is that even mathematically possible? I know it was a joke. But now I am wondering if there something i'm missing in understanding +/- ? I'm thinking it's very straightforward; and thus -3 would be the worst you could get in a 3-6 loss that you were on the scoring side of all three goals for.

 

[Trash Panda]

Is that even mathematically possible? I know it was a joke. But now I am wondering if there something i'm missing in understanding +/- ? I'm thinking it's very straightforward; and thus -3 would be the worst you could get in a 3-6 loss that you were on the scoring side of all three goals for.

No plus for goals scored on the PP.

 

[Statto]

Is that even mathematically possible? I know it was a joke. But now I am wondering if there something i'm missing in understanding +/- ? I'm thinking it's very straightforward; and thus -3 would be the worst you could get in a 3-6 loss that you were on the scoring side of all three goals for.

You get a + for a even strength or short handed goal scored for, whilst you are on the ice. Conversely a minus for a es/sh goal against. If the goal is scored whilst a shift change is occurring and both players changing have their skates on the ice, the guy leaving the play is credited.

Occasionally some weird situation occurs where the guy coming on touches the puck, the referee misses the two many men call and the stats guy has to make a judgement call. Damn annoying, but it did happen at least once a season for me but the officials in the uk were a very mixed bag.

 

[King'sPawn]

Is that even mathematically possible? I know it was a joke. But now I am wondering if there something i'm missing in understanding +/- ? I'm thinking it's very straightforward; and thus -3 would be the worst you could get in a 3-6 loss that you were on the scoring side of all three goals for.

+/- only applies to even strength or when a shorthanded goal is scored. If a team scores while on the powerplay, they don't get a + and the shorthanded team doesn't get a -. However, if a shorthanded team scores, they get a + and the other team gets a -.

Edit: didn't read the whole thread

 

[Schrute farms]

You get a + for a even strength or short handed goal scored for, whilst you are on the ice. Conversely a minus for a es/sh goal against. If the goal is scored whilst a shift change is occurring and both players changing have their skates on the ice, the guy leaving the play is credited.

Occasionally some weird situation occurs where the guy coming on touches the puck, the referee misses the two many men call and the stats guy has to make a judgement call. Damn annoying, but it did happen at least once a season for me but the officials in the uk were a very mixed bag.

ok, it's confirmed -- i'm dumber than i thought. All this time i thought +/- was simply this very basic goals for/against stat. Never knew there was more to it. It's still a basic stat, but a little more to it. I've learned my one thing for the day before 1pm -- solid day!

 

[Cianide]

Wing is better - takes less energy. Jeff Carter came up as a center and played wing a lot and switched back and forth. There's hardly a difference other than the amount of skating.. centers skate more, have harder def assignments and take faceoffs. How does playing center give him more capability in your mind?

There's more space down the middle of the ice. Vilardi excels when he uses that space.

 

[Statto]

There's more space down the middle of the ice. Vilardi excels when he uses that space.

I agree he uses space well but he’s been very good at finding those soft spots playing wing.

 

[Statto]

I’ve started doing some analysis on giveaways, comparing this year to last season and it’s quite interesting. It’s just a slice up of one stat and you’d need to look at a whole bunch of stuff to decide if it’s a cause or a symptom but it’s quite revealing.

I have focused on D so far but giveaways are definitely up, significantly. It’ll be no shock that Durzi leads the way in terms of raw numbers and per 60 minutes both years but I am slightly surprised that Roy is second in both categories.

Interestingly Doughty has improved on last season, Spence and Bjornfot last season both had good numbers broadly in line with the average. Elders are up significantly this year and Clarke’s p/60 is 3rd best on the team but it’s a very small sample with just 3 in total. Just a few highlights.

I’ll write it up tomorrow as a fun bit of analysis, just to give us something new to argue about . I might do some more of this for fun… I need to find a new lady companion desperately, my inner stats nerd is escaping

 

[YAYSAY]

Holding onto the 3rd position in the division for dear life, Edmonton 2 points behind with 2 games in hand, Calgary 3 points behind with 3 games in hand.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

I miss Vilardi. The Vilardi that started the year.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I miss Vilardi. The Vilardi that started the year.

Todd took him out behind the Kopitar shed and beat him to death. Sorry.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Holding onto the 3rd position in the division for dear life, Edmonton 2 points behind with 2 games in hand, Calgary 3 points behind with 3 games in hand.

It’s very unlikely this team makes the playoffs.

The only reason they snuck in last season was because Vegas had a weird off year with a ton of injuries and turnover.

Seattle is great this year, too. Next to no chance LA beats out BOTH Calgary and Edmonton. Not with this awful roster.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

There are so many problems with this team....maybe over 50.
Obscure ones like this, that may never ever be detected.

5'8" 172 LB 4th line center, Blake Lizotte *leads the team in PIM with 23 PIM.
Yes, that's a problem. Team is small and charmin mega roll soft.

*Lemieux has more, but is out and not a fixture here, anyway.

Name another obscure, undetected problem. Look and you'll find some.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Been cleaning out the garage for a few days. What did I miss?

 

[Statto]

So, giveaways….

Last season the team was running at 6.79 giveaways per 60 minute, 4.84 in the DZ.

Selected players 21/22
GP64 Durzi 2.54 (2.1 DZ)
GP67 Roy at 2.09 (1.88)
GP40 Byfield 1.73 (0.49)
GP81 Kopitar 1.07 (0.61)
GP80 Kaliyev 1.18 (0.89)
GP39 Doughty 1.44 (1.14)
GP57 Anderson 1.36 (1.2)
GP41 Edler 1.27 (1.11)
GP70 Bjornfot 1.53 (1.43)
GP24 Spence 1.4 (1.27)
GP6 Walker 0.55 (0.55)

Note: Because they didn’t all play at the same amount of time you can’t add up the individual numbers to get the team totals… it’s slightly confusing. You’d have to factor in ice time shares etc… I don’t have time for that.

So this season.

Team 8.19 (5.36)

Selected Players 22/23
GP26 Durzi 2.99 (2.3)
GP29 Roy 2.61 (2.61)
GP8 Byfield 1.28 (1.28)
GP29 Kopitar 2.69 (1.66)
GP28 Kaliyev 1.83 (0.73)
GP29 Doughty 1.26 (1.1)
GP29 Anderson 0.96 (0.87)
GP25 Edler 2.23(2.07)
GP2 Bjornfot 0 (0)
GP24 Walker 1.86 (1.52)
GP9 Clarke 1.48 (0.98)

There’s also quite a big Corsi/Fenwick drop off throughout.

Discuss… symptom or cause (it’s both in reality). It’s a big increase with Kopitar and Edler both red flags (outliers in terms of increase), Durzi and Roy’s numbers are just ugly. Roy is worse because he’s supposed to be a defense first guy. Sample size plays a big part for guys like Clarke due to low total minutes, so 1 bad game can make a big difference.

 

[tkb81]

Turcotte for Patrick Kane

Blake and Co then are shocked at his lack of backchecking and put him on the 4th line and PK

hahaha i can absolutely see that happening

 

[kings11]

So, giveaways….

Last season the team was running at 6.79 giveaways per 60 minute, 4.84 in the DZ.

Selected players 21/22
GP64 Durzi 2.54 (2.1 DZ)
GP67 Roy at 2.09 (1.88)
GP40 Byfield 1.73 (0.49)
GP81 Kopitar 1.07 (0.61)
GP80 Kaliyev 1.18 (0.89)
GP39 Doughty 1.44 (1.14)
GP57 Anderson 1.36 (1.2)
GP41 Edler 1.27 (1.11)
GP70 Bjornfot 1.53 (1.43)
GP24 Spence 1.4 (1.27)
GP6 Walker 0.55 (0.55)

Note: Because they didn’t all play at the same amount of time you can’t add up the individual numbers to get the team totals… it’s slightly confusing. You’d have to factor in ice time shares etc… I don’t have time for that.

So this season.

Team 8.19 (5.36)

Selected Players 22/23
GP26 Durzi 2.99 (2.3)
GP29 Roy 2.61 (2.61)
GP8 Byfield 1.28 (1.28)
GP29 Kopitar 2.69 (1.66)
GP28 Kaliyev 1.83 (0.73)
GP29 Doughty 1.26 (1.1)
GP29 Anderson 0.96 (0.87)
GP25 Edler 2.23(2.07)
GP2 Bjornfot 0 (0)
GP24 Walker 1.86 (1.52)
GP9 Clarke 1.48 (0.98)

There’s also quite a big Corsi/Fenwick drop off throughout.

Discuss… symptom or cause (it’s both in reality). It’s a big increase with Kopitar and Edler both red flags (outliers in terms of increase), Durzi and Roy’s numbers are just ugly. Roy is worse because he’s supposed to be a defense first guy. Sample size plays a big part for guys like Clarke due to low total minutes, so 1 bad game can make a big difference.

I’m more worried about Durzi/Roy since the majority of their giveaways tend to happen in our end and frequently behind goal.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Durzi is a PP specialist. He should be played like one. Minimal 5x5 play, zero PK. Folks like to talk about his point total, but his 5x5 point total is basically the same as Mikey's minus the defense. I say play him on the 4th line with PP time. Get him as far away from any defensive responsibility or decision making as possible.
That, or trade his flow and turnover asap.

 

[bland]

I’m more worried about Durzi/Roy since the majority of their giveaways tend to happen in our end and frequently behind goal.

Roy has been exceptionally poor on the puck this year, but a huge portion of that has to be attributed to playing with a partner who is rarely in the right place at the right time, and the extra second or so that it takes to try and pick out his stick position for a clean pass. When its not there, he just limply pushes the puck up the boards. He looked SO much better with Edler and Bjornfot.

 

[DoktorJeep]

I’m ready to put the consistency bogeyman to bed with the team under 36 hours away from game 30.

This team lives and dies by the rush game. If they are given the middle of the ice on a breakout situation, they look good. Now the opposition is preventing breakouts like 90% of the time.

This team used to be known for breaking out as a group from below the goal line. When’s the last time Kopitar was praised for always coming from down low in the defensive zone?

Todd’s rush game system has been figured out. The reasons why the team isn’t better than last year after spending to the cap are a one trick pony system, objectively bad goaltending, and letting last years third best defenseman, Maata, depart without an upgrade.

When you look at those reasons for why the team isn’t better despite the offseason moves, it points to last years results being smoke and mirrors. If a bunch of surprises lead to success, how much can you expect a repeat year over year?