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If it were the Sens it would have to be a top 10 protected 1st. We both gamble on that for this season imo Roy is good but not sell your house good imo.

I like the idea of the 2nd + some prospects like maybe Thompson/Kleven or Boucher. But hey that's just like, my own opinion man 👌



Two 2nds would be a done deal for me.

Someone had said Kleven and a 2nd and I'd do it.

I think Roy has a little more than that to someone else--like a late 1st--but i wouldn't lose sleep over it. But I'd also hate to see him go because we'd need an immediate replacement, too. I usually only see a world in which he's traded when we make a move for an NHL 2nd pairing or + LHD.
 
Someone had said Kleven and a 2nd and I'd do it.

I think Roy has a little more than that to someone else--like a late 1st--but i wouldn't lose sleep over it. But I'd also hate to see him go because we'd need an immediate replacement, too. I usually only see a world in which he's traded when we make a move for an NHL 2nd pairing or + LHD.
Another Sens fan here, I'd love to try to acquire Roy off y'all. Would be fine to give up Holden, a 2nd and another prospect aside from Kleven since he's one of the only guys we have on the backend that has any physicality.
 
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Sens fan here chiming in...

Curious what kind of return you guys are expecting to get back on Roy? I couldn't help but notice you guys expect to move on from him. Any big reason why?

Seems like a decent contract for what he is as a player.
Kings have a log jam on rhd. Spence and Clarke incoming.

A decision has to be made on Durzi, Roy, and Walker. Of the three, Roy plays the game LA needs the most. Not sure he will be moved but the premium on defenders raises the cost. It would have to be a significant upgrade coming back.
 
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Another Sens fan here, I'd love to try to acquire Roy off y'all. Would be fine to give up Holden, a 2nd and another prospect aside from Kleven since he's one of the only guys we have on the backend that has any physicality.

THat's unfortunately exactly why we'd want him too, though, haha. LA has a big need at LHD. And the problem with moving Roy is you need an immediate very, very good 2nd pairing dman to replace him immediately (some would say Spence/Bjornfot here but you'd still need some stability next to Durzi). So it would take a "make me do it" kind of move which I'm not sure that offer would be (even if the value is totally reasonable in a vacuum).
 
So much focus on Chychrun.....when maybe we need to be focusing on springing Vejmelka out of Arizona. Perhaps someone who knows more about Ontario and our other kids than I do can correct me, but the goalie pipeline looks brutal. Basically counting on Quick finding the fountain of youth, Copley not looking down to realize he ran out over the cliff a few weeks ago, or getting an exorcist for Cal. Long-ass odds considering the margin of error for getting into the playoffs.
 
Another Sens fan here, I'd love to try to acquire Roy off y'all. Would be fine to give up Holden, a 2nd and another prospect aside from Kleven since he's one of the only guys we have on the backend that has any physicality.
Kings do not need Holden.

If it is not a Kleven or Merilainen you can forget about trading for Roy.

LA needs physical LD (Kleven) or elite goaltending prospect (Merilainen).
 
Kings do not need Holden.

If it is not a Kleven or Merilainen you can forget about trading for Roy.

LA needs physical LD (Kleven) or elite goaltending prospect (Merilainen).
I'd do Merilainen and a 2nd. Sogaard is our best goalie prospect and we're hoping he can come into the league next year and start making a case for himself, makes Merilainen an option.
 
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I'd do Merilainen and a 2nd. Sogaard is our best goalie prospect and we're hoping he can come into the league next year and start making a case for himself, makes Merilainen an option.
Sounds like more of an offseason move that I would be down for.
Sens are not likely making it this year anyway.
 
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THat's unfortunately exactly why we'd want him too, though, haha. LA has a big need at LHD. And the problem with moving Roy is you need an immediate very, very good 2nd pairing dman to replace him immediately (some would say Spence/Bjornfot here but you'd still need some stability next to Durzi). So it would take a "make me do it" kind of move which I'm not sure that offer would be (even if the value is totally reasonable in a vacuum).
Yeah, trading Roy and expecting Clarke, Spence, or Durzi to replace him defensively is a really bad idea. Just look down the freeway to see what a team with no experienced competent defensive defensmen looks like.
 
If it were the Sens it would have to be a top 10 protected 1st. We both gamble on that for this season imo Roy is good but not sell your house good imo.

I like the idea of the 2nd + some prospects like maybe Thompson/Kleven or Boucher. But hey that's just like, my own opinion man 👌



Two 2nds would be a done deal for me.
I would do Tyler Kleven + 2nd for Roy. i think that's better than a late first or two 2nds.
Kleven is a guy i wanted us to draft and is a something we need with size and physicality. It's still questionable if he will eventually make it to the NHL with big areas to work on. But it'd be worth it for the Kings with their lack of LHD and size/toughness.
 
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Sens fan here chiming in...

Curious what kind of return you guys are expecting to get back on Roy? I couldn't help but notice you guys expect to move on from him. Any big reason why?

Seems like a decent contract for what he is as a player.
Only a few armchair GMs on this board expect to move Roy. Absolutely no real basis for the Kings to even think about moving Roy this season.
 
Only a few armchair GMs on this board expect to move Roy. Absolutely no real basis for the Kings to even think about moving Roy this season.
If the right deal was presented of course you move him since you have a glut of RD and Spence NHL ready.. which in turn could open up cap space for a rental. The odds of that are slim but not out of question.
 
Sens fan here chiming in...

Curious what kind of return you guys are expecting to get back on Roy? I couldn't help but notice you guys expect to move on from him. Any big reason why?

Seems like a decent contract for what he is as a player.
Younger players are move than ready for a spot.
Roy would be going for what most Dmen got at the TDL… 1st +… maybe ++
Defensive stats are good/great for Roy but his offense is stymied here as he’s asked to be a defensive rock. Think Weegar-lite, on a team that gives him a bit more freedom he probably pots 6-8 goals and 25-30pts with above average defense.

Sorry for the long winded reply but he’d be pricey and they’d be a lot and I mean a lot of teams interested in him as he’ll be 28YO next season.

When you see guys like Gavrikov go for a 1st, then it only makes sense Roy would go for more because he's just as good (if not better), and he's signed for two more seasons at a very low price.

Defensemen like that are expensive.

A late 1st, and 2nd or equivalent assets.
I get shit for saying this but it’s true…
Matt Roy’s career is trending similar to MacKenzie Weegar.. Matt will be a 6-8 goal and 25-30 pt guy the next few seasons especially on another team
 
So much focus on Chychrun.....when maybe we need to be focusing on springing Vejmelka out of Arizona. Perhaps someone who knows more about Ontario and our other kids than I do can correct me, but the goalie pipeline looks brutal. Basically counting on Quick finding the fountain of youth, Copley not looking down to realize he ran out over the cliff a few weeks ago, or getting an exorcist for Cal. Long-ass odds considering the margin of error for getting into the playoffs.
I think Cal needs to be moved. When you watch a teammate self-immolate like he has, its really hard to get out of your head for both player and teammates... Blake went into this season using a prayer on the goaltending position - that was sort of answered with Copley but its very tenuous. A contender cannot have this big a hole at such a key position, you need a backup that is better than Copley let alone a starter... so depth-wise the Kings lack a #1 and #2 at goaltender.
 
I think Cal needs to be moved. When you watch a teammate self-immolate like he has, its really hard to get out of your head for both player and teammates... Blake went into this season using a prayer on the goaltending position - that was sort of answered with Copley but its very tenuous. A contender cannot have this big a hole at such a key position, you need a backup that is better than Copley let alone a starter... so depth-wise the Kings lack a #1 and #2 at goaltender.
The cost would be astronomical to move him. It is also still early in the sense that we can make it until next season to see where he is at next training camp. Not to mention, if Quick retires and is done after this year, we should be fine with at least having him as a backup on the roster to see if he regains some semblance of form or value.

If he is a boat anchor half way into next season then yeah, you may have to pay the 1st+ to get rid of him or step on the buyout landmine, but until then there is no rush.
 
Rosen had some interesting things to say about Turcotte and a not very meaningful but interesting fact he pointed out yesterday is that if Turcotte plays one game for the Kings will tie the record for the most former 1st round picks to play for the Kings in a single season under the age of 25.

But mainly that there was conflict within the organization between taking Turcotte or Zegras and there is little optimism over his future and reiterating that they are open to trading him.


On Alex Turcotte and the call-ups. There’s a fresh face at every curve within Los Angeles’ dressing room. Their average age after Thursday’s call-ups is 27.1, significantly younger than Dallas’ sage 28.4. And though neither Turcotte nor Bjornfot are expected to get into tonight’s game, when he does enter in, Turcotte will become the seventh former first round draft pick under 25 to play for the Kings this season, tying a record set by Bob Carpenter, Craig Duncanson, Dan Gratton, Chris Kontos, Wayne McBean and Craig Redmond of the 1987-88 Kings.
Draft position, of course, means little once a player secures an NHL spot. “I don’t care if they’re drafted first overall or in the second round. I value Blake Lizotte’s ability to contribute to the team as much as I do Quinton Byfield’s,” McLellan said.

But there obviously exists much greater focus on a player drafted with a lottery pick after a dismal year, as is the case with Byfield, selected second overall in 2020, and Turcotte, selected fifth in 2019. That players selected in their shadow have excelled does not at all shift this gaze. Tim Stutzle, who maintained his point-a-game pace with his 20th goal of the season last night, was viewed as the only skater on a similar tier to Byfield when he was drafted one spot later, while Turcotte, one of just six of players taken in the 2019 first round yet to reach 10 NHL games, has a long way to go to escape the shadows of Moritz Seider and Trevor Zegras, selected sixth and ninth overall.

The team certainly doesn’t want Turcotte preoccupied with the 10,000 foot view, but it’s an important chapter not only in the story of the 2022-23 team but also the ceiling to which this current generation can ascend. There were voices within the team’s scouting and drafting cognoscenti making a strong case for Zegras over Turcotte, according to multiple Forum Report sources, and though there’s still ample room for the hardened, two-way center to emerge from a brutal run of injuries and grow as a professional, I can’t say there’s a great deal of optimism within the organization towards Turcotte, who has been included in trade discussions since at least this past summer.
 
The cost would be astronomical to move him. It is also still early in the sense that we can make it until next season to see where he is at next training camp. Not to mention, if Quick retires and is done after this year, we should be fine with at least having him as a backup on the roster to see if he regains some semblance of form or value.

If he is a boat anchor half way into next season then yeah, you may have to pay the 1st+ to get rid of him or step on the buyout landmine, but until then there is no rush.
True all that. I think the strategy should be to keep him in Ontario as the #3 - get the 1m in cap relief until the buyout becomes reasonable... and essentially move fwd without him in mind for any spot on the NHL roster.
 
Rosen had some interesting things to say about Turcotte and a not very meaningful but interesting fact he pointed out yesterday is that if Turcotte plays one game for the Kings will tie the record for the most former 1st round picks to play for the Kings in a single season under the age of 25.

But mainly that there was conflict within the organization between taking Turcotte or Zegras and there is little optimism over his future and reiterating that they are open to trading him.

I love Rosen’s insight and what he brings but that seems a bit off.. two things
1) Todd needs to go as he absolutely fails to see the value of our young forwards and what they could potentially bring to the Org. Blake really does needs to make space for some of them and he also needs to start preparing to hire a coach that can take this team to the next level.
2) on Turcotte, this is the same shit we heard about Vilardi and all of his injuries. I doubt the team has little optimism over his future unless they think he’ll go Deadmarsh. The kid has outstanding skill and talent though one could call him brittle. IMO, I think Todd prefers a veteran team and is probably voicing his thought to management. Love Kopi and Drew as much as the next guy but if Todd still thinks they can build around them then he’s a bigger idiot than I thought.

Back to Turcotte, so far in limited action in Ontario he’s looked like one of the 2-3 best players on a consistent basis. I see no reason to give up on him though I am curious as to who those sources are because Blake and Yannetti were pretty high on him.
 
“I don’t care if they’re drafted first overall or in the second round. I value Blake Lizotte’s ability to contribute to the team as much as I do Quinton Byfield’s,” McLellan said.
I know you have to say things a certain way in front of the media. But if Todd actually believes this statement he needs to go. I need the coach to focus more on the future 1C who has a massive amount of organizational capital at stake not the spark plug bottom sixer who is a great guy and more of a veteran known quantity. No wonder Lizotte gets more minutes. This is late-stage Darryl at his worst.
Jesus we are fuct while this guy is our HC.
 
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