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Raccoon Jesus said:
I personally don't see Kupari as a 'scoring prospect' any more anyway, frankly. He's just a gigantic Trevor Lewis, and I say that affectionately. He can be an absolute force if he continues to embrace that. High end bottom sixer. Big, fast, can check, good IQ, will score if you treat them like a 'non-dangerous' 4th line.
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That's a good comparable. I think the faith TM showed him by using him on the PK really gave him confidence. The bit during the telecast the other night about TM discussing selke vs hart really made him realize some strengths he might not have even noticed he had.
 
Clarke being sent back to Juniors puts the emphasis and where he's headed this year. Personally would have liked Dylan Guenther the scorer ahead of Clarke our "10th" RD-man. Sure you draft the BPA but this got stupid
 
RayMartyniukTotems said:
Clarke being sent back to Juniors puts the emphasis and where he's headed this year. Personally would have liked Dylan Guenther the scorer ahead of Clarke our "10th" RD-man. Sure you draft the BPA but this got stupid
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Dylan Guenther is going to be a dime a dozen rw that every team has. He's getting a bump because of the WJC . The only thing the kings have more than RHD is RW prospects.
 
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Statto said:
Nope, never were. It’s why I immediately switch off when an argument on a players ability (or teams level) is based around one or two stats


Fair enough 😊

I think he Yanetti something like his confidence might have rubbed some people up the wrong way, but that they had no concerns and liked his attitude … (it was a them problem) something along those lines..
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just going to say Cameron Gaunce needs a role with the Kings after his playing days. I could listen to him break down hockey all day.

Shout out to @All The Kings Men as the last All the Kings Men podcast was awesome. Whoever has not listened to it should. Jesse has Cameron break down what he saw from all 3 of our prospects involved and sheds light into what the public could actually take out of a tourney like this.

On an completely different topic, hopefully next year one of our prospects playing in the Tourney is a goalie.
 
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funky said:
just going to say Cameron Gaunce needs a role with the Kings after his playing days. I could listen to him break down hockey all day.

Shout out to @All The Kings Men as the last All the Kings Men podcast was awesome. Whoever has not listened to it should. Jesse has Cameron break down what he saw from all 3 of our prospects involved and sheds light into what the public could actually take out of a tourney like this.
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Cameron Gaunce is awesome.
 
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I actually like the belief TM has had in Durzi. Do I think it’s cost us a few points? Yes, but today’s quotes from him on playing his off side seem to support just how much of an adjustment that is. He has that dog in him, and showed it last season. I think he can blossom into a good leader. He oozes passion for the game. He doesn’t play scared and what’s the quote, it’s easier to tame a tiger vs painting stripes on a cat, ehhh something like that. He seems like he can become a game breaker type that elevates his play when it matters most.
 
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LeftKinger said:
I actually like the belief TM has had in Durzi. Do I think it’s cost us a few points? Yes, but today’s quotes from him on playing his off side seem to support just how much of an adjustment that is. He has that dog in him, and showed it last season. I think he can blossom into a good leader. He oozes passion for the game. He doesn’t play scared and what’s the quote, it’s easier to tame a tiger vs painting stripes on a cat, ehhh something like that. He seems like he can become a game breaker type that elevates his play when it matters most.
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Durzi playing PK make no sense to me, maybe as the 6th option on D. PK maybe the one place I out Edler ahead of Durzi on the depth chart.
Support him all he wants but TM should take Durzi off the PK.
 
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YP44 said:
Durzi playing PK make no sense to me, maybe as the 6th option on D. PK maybe the one place I out Edler ahead of Durzi on the depth chart.
Support him all he wants but TM should take Durzi off the PK.
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PK is a different story. I agree that he shouldn’t be on the PK, at least not as much as we’ve seen. I just meant in a general sense, after making mistakes, etc.
 
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I am very confused about all this Clarke has to get bigger and stronger. He is clearly an extremely talented offensive defenseman, the likes of which the Kings have not had in what feels like a million years. Steve Duchesne? Larry Murphy? He is not going to be Nic Lidstrom or Drew Doughty defensively. He is an elite offensive talent at the defense position. Erik Karlsson is 3 inches shorter (5'11) and 5 pounds heavier (190 lb) than Clarke right now. When drafted, Karlsson was the same height (5'11") and weighed 25 pounds (165') less than Clarke. The player description of Karlsson when drafted looks incredibly similar to Clarke's.

bleacherreport.com

Erik Karlsson:A Look At The Sens' No.1 Pick

Erik Karlsson was drafted in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft by the Ottawa Senators, No.1 pick, 15th overall, and here's a look at this young talented Swede...
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Karlsson played 65 games for Ottawa one year after being drafted. Talents like Clarke do not come around often.
Put him in the NHL, let him figure his game out against the best. Let him begin growing his talent and start maturing NOW! Then watch the production/experience/IQ multiply as he matures. And as he makes mistakes, and learns from them. (Hell, Karlsson still makes the same bonehead defensive mistakes he's always made...) Clarke will learn if you are willing to put him in the crucible...and the team will benefit in the long-term as well.

Very frustrating for this long time Kings fan (who thanked God Kaliyev fell to Kings in the 2nd round after screaming for them to take him at 22...he learned in the crucible...as has Vilardi).
 
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Fishhead said:
Some GF% vs Competition charts since we are around the halfway point.


Forwards (not sure why Roy is in there):

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Vilardi, Fiala, and Kaliyev are really causing problems for the opposition playing "down" the lineup, even though ice time is pretty spread. Having 3 that can score and still play enough defense to slow the opposition is really, really effective. You can see Kempe's struggles vs last year a bit here, but he'll likely hit a streak and still end up around 30g, 50pts. You can also see Grundy's lack of effectiveness compared to how well he was playing.

I was also ready to give on Kupari, but he's been fantastic lately. Putting him down on the 4th has been a keen move, especially with JAD. I know there is always a lot of grumbling about putting a scoring prospect down the lineup as it's not putting them in a position to succeed, but Kupari is an example of a player that has flourished. Even though he's not on the chart due to injury, Byfield has played his best hockey by far up with Kopitar (he would be right next to Fiala but with Q of competition slightly positive. Every player is different, and the coaches have figured a lot out through trial and error.

I know AI comes up constantly as a trade offering, but he always faces top competition and he's always damn effective. He's a fantastic play-driver, and an absolute bargain at his salary. Arvidsson has been a beast this year.

Here is the Defense:


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Not hard to see that the 3rd pairing is really the only weakness on this team. Durzi and Roy have been passable, just inconsistent. They've been pretty solid lately. Anderson has been consistently effective game in and game out, he's one of the games better shut-down D at 23. When Durzi makes a mistake it's dreadful, but overall he's been better than last year and against much better competition.

Note that Edler and Walker really aren't that terrible, it's not like they are bleeding goals, but you can really see how the injuries both had have slowed them (in addition to Edler being a greybeard).

He's not on this chart due to sample size, but Clarke has a GF% of 44 which is lower than anyone on here. That's against competition slightly lower than Roy/Durzi. However, when it comes to dangerous chances for/against he's fantastic. He's got a DFF% of 61.2 which is phenomenal (DD is 2nd at 53.9 among the regulars). He was really dangerous but unlucky. It's a moot point now, but he can handle the NHL just fine at 19.

Lastly, Bjornfot faces competition equal to Edler/Walker, but is right at 50% for GF%. We know he's been better than both of them, this just reinforces that. He's had far better possession numbers as well and has played much better with and away from the puck.

Just a snapshot of overall effectiveness.
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Outstanding post, thanks for the data and thoughtful writeup. :clap:
 
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psych3man said:
I am very confused about all this Clarke has to get bigger and stronger. He is clearly an extremely talented offensive defenseman, the likes of which the Kings have not had in what feels like a million years. Steve Duchesne? Larry Murphy? He is not going to be Nic Lidstrom or Drew Doughty defensively. He is an elite offensive talent at the defense position. Erik Karlsson is 3 inches shorter (5'11) and 5 pounds heavier (190 lb) than Clarke right now. When drafted, Karlsson was the same height (5'11") and weighed 25 pounds (165') less than Clarke. The player description of Karlsson when drafted looks incredibly similar to Clarke's.

bleacherreport.com

Erik Karlsson:A Look At The Sens' No.1 Pick

Erik Karlsson was drafted in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft by the Ottawa Senators, No.1 pick, 15th overall, and here's a look at this young talented Swede...
bleacherreport.com bleacherreport.com

Karlsson played 65 games for Ottawa one year after being drafted. Talents like Clarke do not come around often.
Put him in the NHL, let him figure his game out against the best. Let him begin growing his talent and start maturing NOW! Then watch the production/experience/IQ multiply as he matures. And as he makes mistakes, and learns from them. (Hell, Karlsson still makes the same bonehead defensive mistakes he's always made...) Clarke will learn if you are willing to put him in the crucible...and the team will benefit in the long-term as well.

Very frustrating for this long time Kings fan (who thanked God Kaliyev fell to Kings in the 2nd round after screaming for them to take him at 22...he learned in the crucible...as has Vilardi).
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Too many players on the right side - need to trade for a LHD and include a righty if needed. Clarke will be with the team next year.
 
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Fishhead said:
Some GF% vs Competition charts since we are around the halfway point.


Forwards (not sure why Roy is in there):

View attachment 632259


Vilardi, Fiala, and Kaliyev are really causing problems for the opposition playing "down" the lineup, even though ice time is pretty spread. Having 3 that can score and still play enough defense to slow the opposition is really, really effective. You can see Kempe's struggles vs last year a bit here, but he'll likely hit a streak and still end up around 30g, 50pts. You can also see Grundy's lack of effectiveness compared to how well he was playing.

I was also ready to give on Kupari, but he's been fantastic lately. Putting him down on the 4th has been a keen move, especially with JAD. I know there is always a lot of grumbling about putting a scoring prospect down the lineup as it's not putting them in a position to succeed, but Kupari is an example of a player that has flourished. Even though he's not on the chart due to injury, Byfield has played his best hockey by far up with Kopitar (he would be right next to Fiala but with Q of competition slightly positive. Every player is different, and the coaches have figured a lot out through trial and error.

I know AI comes up constantly as a trade offering, but he always faces top competition and he's always damn effective. He's a fantastic play-driver, and an absolute bargain at his salary. Arvidsson has been a beast this year.

Here is the Defense:


View attachment 632264


Not hard to see that the 3rd pairing is really the only weakness on this team. Durzi and Roy have been passable, just inconsistent. They've been pretty solid lately. Anderson has been consistently effective game in and game out, he's one of the games better shut-down D at 23. When Durzi makes a mistake it's dreadful, but overall he's been better than last year and against much better competition.

Note that Edler and Walker really aren't that terrible, it's not like they are bleeding goals, but you can really see how the injuries both had have slowed them (in addition to Edler being a greybeard).

He's not on this chart due to sample size, but Clarke has a GF% of 44 which is lower than anyone on here. That's against competition slightly lower than Roy/Durzi. However, when it comes to dangerous chances for/against he's fantastic. He's got a DFF% of 61.2 which is phenomenal (DD is 2nd at 53.9 among the regulars). He was really dangerous but unlucky. It's a moot point now, but he can handle the NHL just fine at 19.

Lastly, Bjornfot faces competition equal to Edler/Walker, but is right at 50% for GF%. We know he's been better than both of them, this just reinforces that. He's had far better possession numbers as well and has played much better with and away from the puck.

Just a snapshot of overall effectiveness.
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Just want to say I appreciate this breakdown. I’m not very good at understanding analytics because I don’t know what they represent by the terminology. So thanks for giving a breakdown that I can understand.
 
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I like how the team is playing.

Still don’t like TM, the D is still suspect, and if Copley doesn’t keep up his play we are screwed.

Still have Moore and Kaliyev to fill in the roster. Would like to see Moore on line one when he comes back. I guess kaliyev goes to the 4th line?

Kupari and JAD are playing well. Kupari is doing good in the face off dot and on the PK!

I like how lizzo plays, a great forchecker and kills penalties. but he gets tossed around so easily and isn’t great at face offs. Maybe a move to wing?

Not sure who goes down when Moore and Kaliyev come back, assuming they keep an extra D, it’ll either be Q or Kupari
 
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