Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[GoldenBearHockey]

Okay, forget last game. Let's look at the game against Vegas:

Kopitar: 19:38
Danault: 12:56
Lizotte: 12:10
Byfield: 7:23

It's his first two games back. I get it. That'd be fine if it was an isolated occurance. But Byfield is averaging 10 minutes of even strength ice time in 10 games this season, after averaging 11:31 through 40 games last season. Byfield needs to show that he's improving, but he's going to need to be given chances to prove it, too.

Absolutely, so why are we losing out shit over two games when we have evidence that he gets more time?

When did I ever argue they weren't in the lineup?

Welcome to my ignore list, can't help you being deliberately ignorant and angry about it when you're 99% bad faith.

The entire argument I was responding to was that Tmac doesn't play kids....

I can't help it if you can't follow the f***ing argument

 

[King'sPawn]

I don't need a button to ignore BS. I just skip right over it.

That's all well and good. But some people do so much bad faith arguing and trolling that they lose the privilege of having good, honest conversations with others when they don't act like shits.

Ignoring isn't an inability to skip over the BS.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Okay, forget last game. Let's look at the game against Vegas:

Kopitar: 19:38
Danault: 12:56
Lizotte: 12:10
Byfield: 7:23

It's his first two games back. I get it. That'd be fine if it was an isolated occurance. But Byfield is averaging 10 minutes of even strength ice time in 10 games this season, after averaging 11:31 through 40 games last season. Byfield needs to show that he's improving, but he's going to need to be given chances to prove it, too.

Ok, so 14:55 tonight.....that clearly means everything is right in the world? Right? (Yes I am being sarcastic) because after the 1st game of 8 minutes, everyone had f***ing pitchforks out......

 

[Jason Squirties]

I don't need a button to ignore BS. I just skip right over it.

Sounds like the same kind of guy that can drive by an accident that just happened without trying to help. I suppose it's more understandable to ignore when it's the same 2 guys getting in that accident with themselves.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Really liked Byfield today, real nice passes to Kopitar.
So let me rehash it this way:

Iaf'- Danault' Arv.
Fiala - Byfield - Kempe
Moore -Kopitar- Vilardi
JAD - Lizzo - Kupari

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Really liked Byfield today, real nice passes to Kopitar.
So let me rehash it this way:

Iaf'- Danault' Arv.
Fiala - Byfield - Kempe
Moore -Kopitar- Vilardi
JAD - Lizzo - Kupari

Byfield needs the structure though....for now, Kiala and Kempe are not that.....that line would get absolutely massacred on the road....;

Kupari needs to smarten up his play, he can wheel for sure, but he just made some bonehead decisions today.....

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't need a button to ignore BS. I just skip right over it.

I tried, I really did.

But when continually quoted and, honestly, asked good questions, I made the mistake of replying because the inevitable bad-faith followup was a diaper filling f*** party. Enough is enough.

 

[Kurrilino]

Really liked Byfield today, real nice passes to Kopitar.
So let me rehash it this way:

Iaf'- Danault' Arv.
Fiala - Byfield - Kempe
Moore -Kopitar- Vilardi
JAD - Lizzo - Kupari

What did Vilardi ever do to you to park him with Kopitar and Moore?

 

[crassbonanza]

I mean, the Byfield argument is the same one as the Bjornfot argument, it's just projecting hope at this point. There have been 15 forwards to play at least 100 minutes for the Kings this season, Byfield is 15th in CF% Rel, 14th in GF% Rel, 15th in xGF% Rel and 15th in P/60. TMac/BLuc are committed to competing, so how do you argue for him to be the second line center when he has been our worst forward this season?

It's one thing if we were committed to be being a developing team, but it is clear that we are not.

 

[Trash Panda]

I mean, the Byfield argument is the same one as the Bjornfot argument, it's just projecting hope at this point. There have been 15 forwards to play at least 100 minutes for the Kings this season, Byfield is 15th in CF% Rel, 14th in GF% Rel, 15th in xGF% Rel and 15th in P/60. TMac/BLuc are committed to competing, so how do you argue for him to be the second line center when he has been our worst forward this season?

It's one thing if we were committed to be being a developing team, but it is clear that we are not.

That clear direction of not being a development team is going to morph into a few years of black hole/first round bounce hockey, only to be forced into it later.

It’s a huge problem. Use the vets we have to insulate the kids to an extent, but 8 minutes of ice time for the youngins just is never going to cut it.

 

[DoktorJeep]

 

[crassbonanza]

That clear direction of not being a development team is going to morph into a few years of black hole/first round bounce hockey, only to be forced into it later.

It’s a huge problem. Use the vets we have to insulate the kids to an extent, but 8 minutes of ice time for the youngins just is never going to cut it.

I agree with you and argued that we shouldn't have traded for Arrvy or signed Danault, instead focusing on developing the prospects. However at this point we are heading down a different path, so the prospects have to earn their minutes in TMac's eyes and Byfield has absolutely not.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I agree with you and argued that we shouldn't have traded for Arrvy or signed Danault, instead focusing on developing the prospects. However at this point we are heading down a different path, so the prospects have to earn their minutes in TMac's eyes and Byfield has absolutely not.

Not yet, but he has looked much more involved in his 3 games and limited minutes this year, last year, he wouldn't have engaged in the corners, like he has been.....step up....in the right direction.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Happy New Year to all! Well wishes to everyone.

Great to be at the Kings win over the Avs. Crowd was very quiet after the Kings tied it and even quieter,
after Kempe's shootout goal. Met some King fans there.

But my post was to out this out there - off the radar and may not make a lot of sense - but when I think about
it, seems intriguing to me, at least.

The ideal top pairng LHD would be Zach Werenski, to me. Yes, he had season ending shoulder surgery.
Yes, his cap is 9.5 million. But, what if he could be had for a little less, than his market value, BECAUSE
the Kings could send CBUS 2 NHL / near NHL players now? CBUS may have interest (unless full tank mode)
Include Walker, to begin helping with the cap siutation and free up Spence or Clarke to play now as well. I don't think CBUS would retain anything.
Maybe something like #1 2023, Pinelli, Kupari, Walker. If Pinelli had played every game, his PPG would put him at #1 in the OHL. He's progressing well...but another center. Love Kupari, but have to give up something
and he may never reach his potential. You're always wanting more from him and not sure if it will ever happen.

I would base this, if the Kings could inquire about his rehab and ETA to be able to play. Let's say it's
possible for him to return by April? The Kings should make the playoffs and could have him for round 1,
or even the last week of the season. ? It's not a crazy idea. He could be training here as well and be around the team and in the Kings doctor protocol, etc. Talk about a playoff boost and future LHD for the next 5 years. Yes, the cap hit is big, but he's top tier and only 25.

My last idea that was kind of laughed at, a few weeks ago - "try Kempe at center" when lines were not working...and they did just that a few games. I think he's a better wing, but he can play center and lines
are still kind of whacked.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I mean, the Byfield argument is the same one as the Bjornfot argument, it's just projecting hope at this point. There have been 15 forwards to play at least 100 minutes for the Kings this season, Byfield is 15th in CF% Rel, 14th in GF% Rel, 15th in xGF% Rel and 15th in P/60. TMac/BLuc are committed to competing, so how do you argue for him to be the second line center when he has been our worst forward this season?

It's one thing if we were committed to be being a developing team, but it is clear that we are not.

It's almost like playing him 7 ES minutes with Ivanans and Giuliano is bad

And viola, put him with Kopitar and suddenly 62% CF%, xGF%, weird

Also Kopitar is over 10% lower in metrics without him too so it's not a carry, it's a symbiotic relationship

Same thing when QB is with Gabe, 58% xGF%

It's not even chicken-and-egg in this case, it's actively stupid usage becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Byfield can't earn more minutes because he's 'bad', but he can't not be bad when he's playing with a rotating cast of Athanasious and roster spare parts.

It's actually very, very easy to suggest he needs more time and opportunity whether we are a competing team or not. It's the same thing with Clarke; not playing these guys is bad for the present team AND the future team, it's why it's so mind boggling.

 

[King'sPawn]

I mean, the Byfield argument is the same one as the Bjornfot argument, it's just projecting hope at this point. There have been 15 forwards to play at least 100 minutes for the Kings this season, Byfield is 15th in CF% Rel, 14th in GF% Rel, 15th in xGF% Rel and 15th in P/60. TMac/BLuc are committed to competing, so how do you argue for him to be the second line center when he has been our worst forward this season?

It's one thing if we were committed to be being a developing team, but it is clear that we are not.

I argue for him to get more minutes and skilled players by saying numbers don't tell the whole story.

Not saying he has to be the 2C, as he's still learning to incorporate his play at the NHL level. But getting more reps and confidence goes a long way.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I mean, the Byfield argument is the same one as the Bjornfot argument, it's just projecting hope at this point. There have been 15 forwards to play at least 100 minutes for the Kings this season, Byfield is 15th in CF% Rel, 14th in GF% Rel, 15th in xGF% Rel and 15th in P/60. TMac/BLuc are committed to competing, so how do you argue for him to be the second line center when he has been our worst forward this season?

It's one thing if we were committed to be being a developing team, but it is clear that we are not.

With developing players advanced stats may not be an indicator of where they are today.. unless you are looking at their AHL stats as well... so that part of your point i would say is questionable to base any conclusions... but agree with 2nd part that Blake/TM are not looking to develop at all. So give that reality, I think QB needs to be back in Ontario until via injury or trade there is a spot for him to play center next to some talent. To push him up to 1st line wing isnt good for him or that line.

 

[kings11]

Byfield needs the structure though....for now, Kiala and Kempe are not that.....that line would get absolutely massacred on the road....;

Kupari needs to smarten up his play, he can wheel for sure, but he just made some bonehead decisions today.....

He’s a Kempe clone right down to the way they play at the same age.
I think he has a higher upside than Kempe with a better all around game but he’ll need more PT and patience

 

[LAKings88]

I’m low on Byfield but he has moments where it’s like damn he can be good if he puts it all together.

I still don’t see that determination to be selfish from him. He defers and facilitates more than looks to score at will. At least with the big club from what I’ve seen.

Still waiting for:

Fiala Kopi Kempe
Moore Danault Arvidsson
Iaffalo Byfield Vilardi
JAD Lizotte Kaliyev

Kupari
Grundstrom
Lemieux (Waive for all I care)

 

[Statto]

I still don’t see that determination to be selfish from him. He defers and facilitates more than looks to score at will. At least with the big club from what I’ve seen

I said in a previous post that I think because he doesn’t feel trusted. He knows if he makes a mistake his limited ice time will drop, hence he defers and plays the system only. Hopefully some time on the top line will change that and he plays with some freedom.

 

[King'sPawn]

I said in a previous post that I think because he doesn’t feel trusted. He knows if he makes a mistake his limited ice time will drop, hence he defers and plays the system only. Hopefully some time on the top line will change that and he plays with some freedom.

Yep. Empowering players and letting them learn to fit their game at the NHL level is huge.

It's why there needs to be flexibility in how teams approach development strategies, and why "just play them in the bottom-six until they get it" won't always work.

 

[cyclones22]

Unless TMc really attempts to integrate the young talent with the established talent you are looking at the ceiling of this team. A barely qualify for the playoffs and maybe get one round in type of team. Continuing to ice high floor low ceiling players in the lineup and giving them more minutes than the higher ceiling youth does nothing for the future of this team. And the present quite frankly.

There should never be a kids line or as Jim Fox called it last season, the champagne line. That's just stupidity. That just means you're stacking all the vets on the top nine and you have no idea with what to do with the rookies. If you're going to have two young players on the same line, at least do what Sutter did with Toffoli and Pearson and stick them on Jeff Carter's flanks. The emergence of that line in 2014 is what elevated the ceiling of that Kings team back to championship level.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Unless TMc really attempts to integrate the young talent with the established talent you are looking at the ceiling of this team. A barely qualify for the playoffs and maybe get one round in type of team. Continuing to ice high floor low ceiling players in the lineup and giving them more minutes than the higher ceiling youth does nothing for the future of this team. And the present quite frankly.

There should never be a kids line or as Jim Fox called it last season, the champagne line. That's just stupidity. That just means you're stacking all the vets on the top nine and you have no idea with what to do with the rookies. If you're going to have two young players on the same line, at least do what Sutter did with Toffoli and Pearson and stick them on Jeff Carter's flanks. The emergence of that line in 2014 is what elevated the ceiling of that Kings team back to championship level.

Reminds me of how they finished the year with Byfield Vilardi and Kupari not playing in the NHL OR AHL playoffs lol

gonna stack all these skilled kids on the 4th line and play them once a period and wonder why they aren't checking well and aren't scoring in the playoffs vs. an experienced team in extremely limited minutes

 

[Bandit]

I’m low on Byfield but he has moments where it’s like damn he can be good if he puts it all together.

I still don’t see that determination to be selfish from him. He defers and facilitates more than looks to score at will. At least with the big club from what I’ve seen.

Still waiting for:

Fiala Kopi Kempe
Moore Danault Arvidsson
Iaffalo Byfield Vilardi
JAD Lizotte Kaliyev

Kupari
Grundstrom
Lemieux (Waive for all I care)

I’m still waiting for:

Todd is fired
Blake is fired
Robitaille is fired
Rest is gravy

Those are my line combos anyway.

 

[cyclones22]

Reminds me of how they finished the year with Byfield Vilardi and Kupari not playing in the NHL OR AHL playoffs lol

gonna stack all these skilled kids on the 4th line and play them once a period and wonder why they aren't checking well and aren't scoring in the playoffs vs. an experienced team in extremely limited minutes

Look if TMc keeps QB on the first line for a handful of games and he actually gets 15 or 16 minutes of TOI then I won't complain about it. It'll actually show some growth and trust from the coach. Jon Rosen had some really good analysis and breakdown of QB's performance last night. It was a positive.