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SettlementRichie10 said:
Roy IS in the way by virtue of his handedness. There is no room for a player like Roy if our three RHD are Doughty, Spence, and Clarke.

Neither Clarke nor Spence have played half an NHL season at this point. Durzi is on track to be one of the better offensive defensemen in the league this year.

I understand Spence and Clarke are exciting offensive prospects that will very likely make Durzi obsolete. But people need to check into reality every once in a while.
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I just don't think that handedness is the determinant blocker yet. Not that I'm advising playing Spence or Clarke on the left side regularly, but they may adjust to the position change better than Durzi.

One of Spence's understated skills is his adaptability.

I just don't think Roy can be seen as a blocker when his role as a pairing stabilizer and defensive defenseman would be replaced by Clarke or Spence.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
Roy IS in the way by virtue of his handedness. There is no room for a player like Roy if our three RHD are Doughty, Spence, and Clarke.

Neither Clarke nor Spence have played half an NHL season at this point. Durzi is on track to be one of the better offensive defensemen in the league this year.

I understand Spence and Clarke are exciting offensive prospects that will very likely make Durzi obsolete. But people need to check into reality every once in a while.
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I TOTALLY underestimated how good Fiala really is. He has brought a dynamic that we haven't seen in years. His edgework could be the best on the team and like Jim Fox was saying last night about European players: he has mastered the ability to independently control his hands and feet. He is also extremely persistent on the puck and isn't afraid to mix it up. The only negatives (like it was mentioned on the broadcast) is that he has a tendency to take a stupid penalty or get caught in a bad play every now and then. Completely worth the tradeoff. If he stays healthy, this dude is going to be north of 80 points.

Best thing about last night's game was the puck movement (especially on the PP). That is EXACTLY what we need to be doing and it was refreshing to see. Everyone moving, being creative and not afraid to take shots when they are open. What a crazy concept!
 
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bmr said:
I TOTALLY underestimated how good Fiala really is. He has brought a dynamic that we haven't seen in years. His edgework could be the best on the team and like Jim Fox was saying last night about European players: he has mastered the ability to independently control his hands and feet. He is also extremely persistent on the puck and isn't afraid to mix it up. The only negatives (like it was mentioned on the broadcast) is that he has a tendency to take a stupid penalty or get caught in a bad play every now and then. Completely worth the tradeoff. If he stays healthy, this dude is going to be north of 80 points.

Best thing about last night's game was the puck movement (especially on the PP). That is EXACTLY what we need to be doing and it was refreshing to see. Everyone moving, being creative and not afraid to take shots when they are open. What a crazy concept!
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And I'm not even mad about the stupid penalties because they're aggressive penalties, if only the whole team took those instead of lazy hooks
 
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johnjm22 said:
If we trade Roy, you need a LHD equivalent IMO.

I also think Roy has more trade value on the market then most people realize.

You could try taking Anderson off the top pair to help stabilize the second pair.

Bjornfot - Doughty
Anderson - Spence
Physical Shutdown Dman - Clarke
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2nd pairing shutdown D on a great contract, I agree.
 
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johnjm22 said:
If we trade Roy, you need a LHD equivalent IMO.

I also think Roy has more trade value on the market then most people realize.

You could try taking Anderson off the top pair to help stabilize the second pair.

Bjornfot - Doughty
Anderson - Spence
Physical Shutdown Dman - Clarke
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Yeah I have wondered why they dont do this? DD makes $11M and if he is as good as he says he is should be able to carry his pair with any replacement level player. Anderson with any of Durzi, Clarke or Spence would be a nice experiment. Could be just the ticket. Ideally, Blake would trade for a LHD to play with Doughty and we could go New guy, Anderson, Bjornfot on the left side of the pairings and that is how it should have been on Opening Night.

New guy-Doughty
Anderson-Durzi
Bjornfot-Spence
 
For this year, if you trade Durzi as part of a package for Chychrun, a Roy/Chych 2nd pair looks pretty good.

Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy
Edler - Spence
Bjornfot

You'd have to find a way to dump Walker to make the cap work.
 
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johnjm22 said:
For this year, if you trade Durzi as part of a package for Chychrun, a Roy/Chych 2nd pair looks pretty good.

Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy
Edler - Spence
Bjornfot

You'd have to find a way to dump Walker to make the cap work.
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As fast as Walker needs to be dumped, so too does Edler. He’s not helping or stabilizing anyone anymore. The boards can barely stabilize his slow feet at this point.

DD, Spence, Roy, Durzi, Clarke on RHD (one of Roy/Durzi moved for LHD)

Anderson, Bjornfot, xxx on the LHD
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
Roy IS in the way by virtue of his handedness. There is no room for a player like Roy if our three RHD are Doughty, Spence, and Clarke.

Neither Clarke nor Spence have played half an NHL season at this point. Durzi is on track to be one of the better offensive defensemen in the league this year.

I understand Spence and Clarke are exciting offensive prospects that will very likely make Durzi obsolete. But people need to check into reality every once in a while.
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they haven't played a whole season cause the coach wont play them, not cause they are not capable. this thought process is the reason why theres a log jam of players with no movment.
 
unicornpig said:
they haven't played a whole season cause the coach wont play them, not cause they are not capable. this thought process is the reason why theres a log jam of players with no movment.
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OUGHT is different than IS.

This entire board needs a lesson in normative vs descriptive claims.

Obviously Spence and Clarke should be playing more. I’m not disputing that. I’m simply making the DESCRIPTIVE claim that Durzi is already a high scoring defensemen whereas Spence and Clarke are projected to be high scoring defensemen. Therefore, we shouldn’t just throw away Durzi for nothing.

That’s not saying Durzi is “better” than Spence Clarke. That’s not saying Durzi should be played instead of Spence Clarke. That’s simply pointing out the descriptive reality we’re all currently occupying.
 
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johnjm22 said:
If we trade Roy, you need a LHD equivalent IMO.

I also think Roy has more trade value on the market then most people realize.

You could try taking Anderson off the top pair to help stabilize the second pair.

Bjornfot - Doughty
Anderson - Spence
Physical Shutdown Dman - Clarke
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Edmonton is desperate for a defender Latest On Edmonton's Search For Defense. Unfortunately, they would prefer a LD but Roy may fit the bill if we are willing to 1) eat salary and 2) trade within the division. We could get a #1 pick for him and relieve the logjam.
 
piston said:
Edmonton is desperate for a defender Latest On Edmonton's Search For Defense. Unfortunately, they would prefer a LD but Roy may fit the bill if we are willing to 1) eat salary and 2) trade within the division. We could get a #1 pick for him and relieve the logjam.
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The problem for the Kings though, is that losing Roy downgrades our defense overall. Roy is better defensively than Durzi/Spence/Walker/Clarke are right now.

So if we're trading Matt, we need a quality defensive LHD on the other side to make up for his absence IMO.
 
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I believe Durzi is the only one with real trade value out of Roy/Walker/Durzi. We should dangle him for a similarly aged defenseman but on the left side.
 
aceofpace said:
I believe Durzi is the only one with real trade value out of Roy/Walker/Durzi. We should dangle him for a similarly aged defenseman but on the left side.
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Walker has no value, but Roy and Durzi likely have equal value and it's pretty high. Maybe not a first but more than a second.
 
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kilowatt said:
We don’t need Provorov to be a #1 LD. We need him to be better than Edler and Durzi on his off side.

Anderson - Doughty
Provorov - Spence
Bjornfot - Roy/Durzi

Our offense is (shockingly) so good that we just need league-average defense and goaltending to be a legitimate threat in the playoffs.
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If you are giving up as much as it would cost, you do need him to be pretty close to a first pairing guy
 
So many want something done, but then complain at the price required. If you want something done, you can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The perfect player, and perfect trade, probably don't exist simultaneously.

If you want the absolute right fit, it's going to cost you more than you want. If you want the right trade, you have to lower the expectations on who the player is you're getting.
 
johnjm22 said:
The problem for the Kings though, is that losing Roy downgrades our defense overall. Roy is better defensively than Durzi/Spence/Walker/Clarke are right now.

So if we're trading Matt, we need a quality defensive LHD on the other side to make up for his absence IMO.
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I read your comment last night and it got me thinking…
Would a 3 way trade with the Kings, Columbus and a 3rd where we land Gavrikov while shipping out one of Roy/Durzi work?

To me at least, Roy is MacKenzie Weegar with less O. Meaning he’s worth a late 1st and his defensive metrics back that up. That opens up a spot for Spence while giving us that elusive bruising LHD we been missing

Just my random thoughts of course!
 
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kings11 said:
I read your comment last night and it got me thinking…
Would a 3 way trade with the Kings, Columbus and a 3rd where we land Gavrikov while shipping out one of Roy/Durzi work?

To me at least, Roy is MacKenzie Weegar with less O. Meaning he’s worth a late 1st and his defensive metrics back that up. That opens up a spot for Spence while giving us that elusive bruising LHD we been missing

Just my random thoughts of course!
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Maybe, or if we trade Roy/Durzi we'll have the assets to go after a LHD without having to give up our 1st round pick this year.

Roy actually leads all Kings defensemen in even strength points.

Roy is clearly the Kings best all around dman outside the top pair, so if we trade him it needs to be for something worthwhile. Gavrikov is rental, that's my concern.
 
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