Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season Part 2

[Telos]

Buffalo fan here --

We were talking about potential trades for defenseman in the offseason. Somebody mentioned Matt Roy and I said I'd happily give up 13OA (pretty likely our draft spot) for him. Would that be fair-ish value, or do the Kings intend on signing him long-term?

He would be one of the defensemen I would least like to part with as he has been very steady and has shown a little bit more offense than you'd expect. I think the Kings would be looking to keep him over Walker, Edler, and hopefully Durzi; but, I could see them dealing him if prospects get a chance to earn their stripes and take his spot. Spence is arguably the closest and I don't think they can keep Clarke off the team for long next year if at all.

Personally, I would be happy if they traded him for 13OA, but it is a question mark right now what management is looking for. Given the trade for Korpi and Gavrikov, I wouldn't be surprised if Blake doubles down and just start spending like crazy to be as competitive as possible. Trading Roy for futures wouldn't fit the bill. It is hard to say, but if someone offered me that deal at the draft I would take it and move Spence and Clarke up...

 

[Nasti]

Roy for 13OA in this year‘s draft is great value. The question is, is Roy the guy we should be moving?

 

[Trash Panda]

Buffalo fan here --

We were talking about potential trades for defenseman in the offseason. Somebody mentioned Matt Roy and I said I'd happily give up 13OA (pretty likely our draft spot) for him. Would that be fair-ish value, or do the Kings intend on signing him long-term?

The value in a vacuum is pretty close, but he is probably the last player the kings should be looking to be move off the Blueline aside from Anderson or Clarke.

Tough call for me.

 

[tny760]

Buffalo fan here --

We were talking about potential trades for defenseman in the offseason. Somebody mentioned Matt Roy and I said I'd happily give up 13OA (pretty likely our draft spot) for him. Would that be fair-ish value, or do the Kings intend on signing him long-term?

i think that would be a trade the kings should make. roy's probably the most likely of the kings' right handers to get another contract here but i don't know about long-term specifically. i imagine they keep him and give him another 3-4 year contract, not sure there's enough to his game to warrant big contracts even though i like him. i guess that might make 13OA a bit of an overpayment

I gotta think Fiala needs surgery.

wouldn't be surprised, just resting him to see if he can play through it in the 1st round

that reaction to his first shift after sitting a game was a real bad sign to me

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

Buffalo fan here --

We were talking about potential trades for defenseman in the offseason. Somebody mentioned Matt Roy and I said I'd happily give up 13OA (pretty likely our draft spot) for him. Would that be fair-ish value, or do the Kings intend on signing him long-term?

100 times outta 100 the kings do that.

 

[johnjm22]

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Buffalo fan here --

We were talking about potential trades for defenseman in the offseason. Somebody mentioned Matt Roy and I said I'd happily give up 13OA (pretty likely our draft spot) for him. Would that be fair-ish value, or do the Kings intend on signing him long-term?

You’re going to get different opinions here. Roy is a great top four RHD who would only theoretically be available due to LA’s absurd logjam at RHD.

Personally, I think it would be an awesome and ballsy move for Blake to trade Roy for the 13th overall pick. It would clear room for both Spence and Clarke to line up behind Doughty.

Unfortunately, Blake can’t even bring himself to get rid of Sean Walker, so the odds of trading a player like Roy are next to nothing. Good news, though, you may be able to pick up a future top four RHD in Spence on the waiver wire or Pennie’s on the dollar due to Blake’s inability to properly construct the blueline.

 

[johnjm22]

Vilardi is skating.

Looks like Anderson is set to return.

Fiala is MIA.

 

[Schrute farms]

Should do - heck yes
Would do - no way

 

[johnjm22]

If you trade Roy, and you're unable to retain Gavrikov, the blueline is totally f***ed.

Even if you do retain Gavrikov and trade Roy, the blueline would still be in desperate need of a quality defensive dman.

 

[tny760]

Should do - heck yes
Would do - no way

i'm starting to feel like the 3rd step is remembering they can't develop high picks then going back to "shouldn't"

 

[johnjm22]

Kings probably need to clear about 8M in cap this offseason.

Roy might have to go, but it would be a terrible loss for the roster.

 

[tny760]

Kings probably need to clear about 8M in cap this offseason.

Roy might have to go, but it would be a terrible loss for the roster.

yeah, bad time for all those extensions to kick in, i wonder if they can convince gabe to take a "please god help us" kevin labanc 1-year contract

would still need to clear some i think to afford gavrikov

 

[Schrute farms]

Why did they extend Moore again? Still can’t figure that one out future roster construction wise. I’m hoping it’s part of a well thought out plan. Lol did I just say that

 

[mysterman2]

Durzi in the 21/22 playoffs....notice the link between goals against and his TOI.

 

[mysterman2]

Durzi in the last 7 games...Notice the similar TOI. I have a bad bad feeling when the playoff start we are going to see very similar stats from the TOI to the +/- stat. Excited for the playoffs- especially if we can get Fiala back, not excited to see Tmacs delegation of ice time for Durzi. I fully expect him to be utilized exactly as the last games and with the same results.

And Im not a Durzi hater- i just find it comical the guy who has the worst D skills gets employed in situations require basic levels of defensive acumen.

 

[johnjm22]

Why did they extend Moore again? Still can’t figure that one out future roster construction wise. I’m hoping it’s part of a well thought out plan. Lol did I just say that

I love Moore, but it was an idiotic contract.

If he was on the market this Summer, there wouldn't be a single team in the league that would offer him a 5 x 4.2M contract. Not even close.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

If you trade Roy, and you're unable to retain Gavrikov, the blueline is totally f***ed.

Even if you do retain Gavrikov and trade Roy, the blueline would still be in desperate need of a quality defensive dman.

Spence is has more potential both defensively and offensively than Roy. Potentially controversial opinion there, but I feel pretty confident about it. Spence’s underlying statistics were fantastic even last season. He has a ton of potential. He will be better than Roy in the long run.

 

[BigKing]

Durzi in the last 7 games...Notice the similar TOI. I have a bad bad feeling when the playoff start we are going to see very similar stats from the TOI to the +/- stat. Excited for the playoffs- especially if we can get Fiala back, not excited to see Tmacs delegation of ice time for Durzi. I fully expect him to be utilized exactly as the last games and with the same results.

And Im not a Durzi hater- i just find it comical the guy who has the worst D skills gets employed in situations require basic levels of defensive acumen.

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No Doughty though.

Spence is has more potential both defensively and offensively than Roy. Potentially controversial opinion there, but I feel pretty confident about it. Spence’s underlying statistics were fantastic even last season. He has a ton of potential. He will be better than Roy in the long run.

Losing Roy makes this team even softer, if possible.

 

[AbsentMojo]

If you trade Roy, and you're unable to retain Gavrikov, the blueline is totally f***ed.

Even if you do retain Gavrikov and trade Roy, the blueline would still be in desperate need of a quality defensive dman.

If they cant get Gavrikov signed before he hits UFA (which according to Gav is not going to happen), that is just too risky to trade Roy without him signed. But ideally, you sign Gavrikov, trade Roy and pick up Soucy UFA (or something similar) to be the 3LD... If you fail to get someone UFA then you try to make a trade - and then you always have Bjornfot as the safety net - which has its upside in terms of cap space. Then you have the left side settled and let Clarke, Spence, and Durzy (just being realistic) fight it out for 2nd and 3rd pair RD.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I love Moore, but it was an idiotic contract.

If he was on the market this Summer, there wouldn't be a single team in the league that would offer him a 5 x 4.2M contract. Not even close.

I agree that was a puzzling signing considering the other holes that need to be filled. I always felt you can have 1 of Moore or Iafallo... because you have to spend money on a #1 goalie you didnt anticipate due to Cals contract. There needs to be more stay at home talent on D - and that money has to come from somewhere... and really if you want to get serious, they should pick up a 3C with some grit - which should not be too expensive or hard to find.. Wouldve been nice if Turcotte got his shit together this season and was that guy.. but thats not reality.

 

[redcard]

Durzi in the 21/22 playoffs....notice the link between goals against and his TOI.

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I think there's a correlation/causation issue here. Durzi is clearly one of our best offensive options and one of our worst defensive options. For that reason, his ice time is going to be higher in games that we are trailing and lower in games that we're holding a lead.

For example, that game 2 6-0 loss, his -3 is because he was on the ice for the 3rd, 4th, and 5th goal. The game 3 8-2 loss he was on the ice for the 4th, 5th, and 6th goal.

In both games we were already trailing by multiple goals before he can be faulted for when, at which point he'd have the green light to take more chances.

 

[Matt13]

Buffalo fan here --

We were talking about potential trades for defenseman in the offseason. Somebody mentioned Matt Roy and I said I'd happily give up 13OA (pretty likely our draft spot) for him. Would that be fair-ish value, or do the Kings intend on signing him long-term?

Take Walker instead for a 5th and keep your 1st.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I love Moore, but it was an idiotic contract.

If he was on the market this Summer, there wouldn't be a single team in the league that would offer him a 5 x 4.2M contract. Not even close.

Agreed. And I like Moore a lot, too.

Blake way overcommits on his contracts. I’ve been beating this drum for a while now. It’s been a pattern since Kovalchuk.

 

[mysterman2]

I think there's a correlation/causation issue here. Durzi is clearly one of our best offensive options and one of our worst defensive options. For that reason, his ice time is going to be higher in games that we are trailing and lower in games that we're holding a lead.

agreed- but isnt this a bit of chicken/egg? We see the debate with Spence here...

Using EA Sports rankings, Durzi is 85 offense but 35 defense. Spence is more like 75 on both.
Most teams will sacrifice the offense for stronger defense all day long.

Durzi should be 5th/6th dman who gets PP2 time- tmac seems to think hes a top 4 and idea candidate for the PK we all know is ludicrous. Throw in Clarke looking like a potential phenom and Spence- Kings keeping Durzi over Roy/Spence/Clarke would be like signing Peterson to a long term deal.