Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season Part 2

[Herby]

This might be the weirdest take you have ever had. Now teams overwhelmingly making decisions on players is about, me???

Why do teams want players in college? I don't know because two years in college has traditionally been the best way to maximize the potential of drafted players. I've asked about six times and never get a response, but maybe this time you will answer. Why have teams overwhelmingly decided to keep players in school 2 years rather than bring them to the AHL at 19 if it's a win/win/win? Are those teams just wrong and the Kings are right?

And as I've said a million times, if a player is ready to play in the NHL they should leave. If the Kings were bad and drafted Adam Fantilli I would want him playing in LA next season, not playing in the NCAA. I want what is best for the players development, that is not being in the AHL as a teenager. For teenage players it should be the NHL or back in college.

Simmonds just kicked the crap out of Michael Penzetta.

Why not bring him back next year on a one year deal?

Byfield and Simmonds together!

Because he is not an NHL caliber player anymore?

Why would you want to play a player with 12 goals in 128 games over the last 3 seasons with a player who has 8 goals in 96 games over the last 3 seasons?

That would put QB in a fourth line role next season, no thanks.

 

[johnjm22]

oh, 5th on goal scoring rate. What is that some advance stat to make your point?

You can measure how many goals a player scores per minute of ice time. It's not really advanced.

JAD has a good shot. That's why he's 5th on the team in goals scored per 60 minutes of TOI.

These recent games have been so tight, that one little play here or there could have made the difference. Meaning you need a guy who gives you at least a chance at scoring another goal.

There were nights when JAD and Kupari were so bad, along with Grundy that line sat or any combo of them sat an entire 3rd. I agree that MacEwen hasn't been good, to say that line is unplayable with him there is just as false. JAD and Kupari shouldn't need anyone not named MacEwen to succeed there.

xGF%

JAD-Kupari-Grundstrom 52.2%
Macewen-Kupari-Grundstrom 45.9%

Even if there's games where JAD-Kupari aren't playing well, that doesn't justify making the line even worse by swapping out MacEwen for JAD.

For reference, this has been the line that's featured JAD and Kupari together the most:
JAD-Kupari-Kaliyev 56.9%

 

[kings11]

Welp, if you don’t already know we finally have an answer to the old Brick Faber question.. he was indeed going to sign with LA after this season..

Brock Faber, the Frozen Four and a shot at a Minnesota 'dream come true' before joining the Wild

Faber is expected to sign with the Wild after his junior Gophers season but for now "has his eye on the ball because there's no other ball."

theathletic.com

 

[johnjm22]

Welp, if you don’t already know we finally have an answer to the old Brick Faber question.. he was indeed going to sign with LA after this season..

Brock Faber, the Frozen Four and a shot at a Minnesota 'dream come true' before joining the Wild

Faber is expected to sign with the Wild after his junior Gophers season but for now "has his eye on the ball because there's no other ball."

theathletic.com

There was never really any evidence that he wasn't going to sign with LA. Just people around here speculating.

 

[kings11]

There was never really any evidence that he wasn't going to sign with LA. Just people around here speculating.

Pretty much but there’s no denying it now

 

[kingsfan28]

Chronological:
1. Team offers contract.
2. Player and his advisors, family decide whether to accept it. Like Brock Faber.
I don't know anything about Caufield.
Why would the Kings want players at a college or Uni on the East Coast woking with amateurs and subject to the negative influences of peers and the college party temptations?
THat is why the want kids training with their pros at the Kings practice facility and being evaluated with all their other major prospects on the Reign.
It is a win win win.
Its a lose for you because you are out east watching college hockey.

I am saying after signing Edler the Kings had the option to keep Bjo down for redevelopment and evaluation.
I actually thought he should have been called up a litlle sooner and had displayed improvement.
Its not the small savings on contracts this year.
its the savings on the contract he nedds to sign as RFA this summer as a mostly AHLer vs and NHLer or worse cae NHLer that had a breakthrough season.
If that happend we may have had to trade him or someone else we want to keep.

Kupari has solidified a role and entry to the lineup.
Hopefully he will start finishing his efficient zone entries and cycling with better shots and passes .
And move up the lineup and onto the PP.
He is what 21 and 22?
Just like Kempe and Vilardi, you need patience and to wait for your high picks to break out when they are ready , usually closer to mid 20's.

The only development I am unhappy with is not keeping Byf down after injury last year.
It was a waste after that because he was not ready for the playoffs.
If I am Byfs mentor, I make him watch his playoff games he played early in the series.
I like less than 9 games and ELC sliding, it helps stagger and keep down contract costs.

i appreciate the info on things you complimented the Kings on, that I did not know about.
However they are not as recent.

Hold em and let em break out in the AHL, preferably after their ELC and resign em cheaper.
Use added saving for prime pieces to bring the youth into a winning play off bound locker room.

ROI is a concern and the Kings failed in structuring these players as they transitioned.
I bet they are already handling it differently.
As I said before the NHL is pretty similar, once playoff position battles start, without the Bush leaguers trying to get promoted.

Look at how Zegras has been playing on the defensive side of the puck and in OT if you want to see what can happen when players are brought up without being held accountable to do the little things right and earn a spot in the lineup.

Nobody drags their stick behind them better than Zegras after being scored on for the 3rd time in the game. But hey, he make all the highlight playz and got his pointz in another 6-2 loss!! Nice Michigan attempt bud, down 4-0.

 

[Schrute farms]

But where would Faber even play on the Kings? Can’t even get Spence and Clarke in. Heck, even Durzi can’t play on his correct RH side. Having said that, I love love love Faber’s game; and wish there was someway he could have stayed in the organization.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Pretty much but there’s no denying it now

I respectfully disagree.
Reports are he comes from a tight nit family and his sister has special needs.
The Wild couldn't be the any more close to home situation especially compared to playing in the farthest corner of the league away from there.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Nobody drags their stick behind them better than Zegras after being scored on for the 3rd time in the game. But hey, he make all the highlight playz and got his pointz in another 6-2 loss!! Nice Michigan attempt bud, down 4-0.

Yes and their GM , and development people should share the blame with a an immature player that had his ego blown up too soon leading to a questionable attitude displayed at times.
Its what happens often when you rush players up.

 

[kingsfan28]

Yes and their GM , and development people should share the blame with a an immature player that had his ego blown up to soon leading to a questionable attitude displayed at times.
Its what happens often when you rush players up.

And you put him on the cover of a video game . There was a time when you earned that cover.

His contract this summer will be such a mess.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Ok

This might be the weirdest take you have ever had. Now teams overwhelmingly making decisions on players is about, me???

Why do teams want players in college? I don't know because two years in college has traditionally been the best way to maximize the potential of drafted players. I've asked about six times and never get a response, but maybe this time you will answer. Why have teams overwhelmingly decided to keep players in school 2 years rather than bring them to the AHL at 19 if it's a win/win/win? Are those teams just wrong and the Kings are right?

And as I've said a million times, if a player is ready to play in the NHL they should leave. If the Kings were bad and drafted Adam Fantilli I would want him playing in LA next season, not playing in the NCAA. I want what is best for the players development, that is not being in the AHL as a teenager. For teenage players it should be the NHL or back in college.


Because he is not an NHL caliber player anymore?

Why would you want to play a player with 12 goals in 128 games over the last 3 seasons with a player who has 8 goals in 96 games over the last 3 seasons?

That would put QB in a fourth line role next season, no thanks.

Now you have conceded that is bad teams putting their youngsters in the NHL , with the Fantelli example you added . "if the Kings were bad,".
That is called fudging.

I think you exaggerated how many NHL teams, especially playoff bound ones, bring up their player s to the NHL, as well.

I already gave a main point for the Kings below.


"Why would the Kings want players at a college or Uni on the East Coast woking with amateurs and subject to the negative influences of peers and the college party temptations?
THat is why the want kids training with their pros at the Kings practice facility and being evaluated with all their other major prospects on the Reign.
It is a win win win.
Its a lose for you because you are out east watching college hockey."

And you put him on the cover of a video game . There was a time when you earned that cover.

His contract this summer will be such a mess.

Yup there it is the contract would have been a lot better if they kept him down like Blake does.
Probably his attitude and his defensive responsibility as well.
You can't fall down in OT.

 

[Herby]

Ok

Now you have conceded that is bad teams putting their youngsters in the NHL , with the Fantelli example you added . "if the Kings were bad,".
That is called fudging.

I think you exaggerated how many NHL teams, especially playoff bound ones, bring up their player s to the NHL, as well.

I already gave a main point for the Kings below.


"Why would the Kings want players at a college or Uni on the East Coast woking with amateurs and subject to the negative influences of peers and the college party temptations?
THat is why the want kids training with their pros at the Kings practice facility and being evaluated with all their other major prospects on the Reign.
It is a win win win.
Its a lose for you because you are out east watching college hockey."

I was saying it because Fantilli is going to be the #2 pick.

Is this better ...?

"If the Kings had traded for SJ's #1 pick and were able to draft Fantilli, I would want him in LA on next years Kings team"

Your bottom part continues to make no sense. NHL teams are keeping players in college because they believe its a more optimal place for teenage players to develop than the AHL is. The Kings were the only team from the 2019 draft who felt the AHL was a better place than the NCAA. In the three years since those teams made those decisions, which ones have proven to be correct?

 

[Surf Nutz]

I was saying it because Fantilli is going to be the #2 pick.

Is this better ...?

"If the Kings had traded for SJ's #1 pick and were able to draft Fantilli, I would want him in LA on next years Kings team"

Your bottom part continues to make no sense. NHL teams are keeping players in college because they believe its a more optimal place for teenage players to develop than the AHL is. The Kings were the only team from the 2019 draft who felt the AHL was a better place than the NCAA. In the three years since those teams made those decisions, which ones have proven to be correct?

Yes,
Not all theteams have integrated AHL practice facilities and a farm team right next door.
Can you refer me to any other source that is saying the exact same thing about NHL teams developing players in college?
With other examples since 2019 draft?
Doesn't teenagers not being allowed in the AHL in many instances have something to do with it?
Hey I get it you are a college hockey guy and fully believe in your truths.

 

[Herby]

Yes,
Not all the Kings have integrated AHL practice facilities and a farm team right next door.
Can you refer me to any other source that is saying the exact same thing about NHL teams developing players in college?
With other examples since 2019 draft?
Doesn't teenagers not being allowed in the AHL in many instances have something to do with it?
Hey I get it you are a college hockey guy and fully believe in your truths.

I've given you names countless times. You say it's ancient history and that teams are changing because of Covid.

Many NHL teams have their AHL teams close by, this is not something exclusive to the Kings anymore. And what benefit has this shown for the Kings?

There is no age restriction on NCAA players going to the AHL, that is part of the CHL/NHL agreement. Which is partly to keep CHL players from losing their best players, and partly because the AHL is a shitty place for teenagers.

 

[Bandit]

Welp, if you don’t already know we finally have an answer to the old Brick Faber question.. he was indeed going to sign with LA after this season..

Brock Faber, the Frozen Four and a shot at a Minnesota 'dream come true' before joining the Wild

Faber is expected to sign with the Wild after his junior Gophers season but for now "has his eye on the ball because there's no other ball."

theathletic.com

Based on what? I don’t have an opinion either way but just because he signs with another team does not mean he would have signed with us.

oh, 5th on goal scoring rate. What is that some advance stat to make your point? There were nights when JAD and Kupari were so bad, along with Grundy that line sat or any combo of them sat an entire 3rd. I agree that MacEwen hasn't been good, to say that line is unplayable with him there is just as false. JAD and Kupari shouldn't need anyone not named MacEwen to succeed there.

MacEwan has been so bad he’s sat for 57 min out of 60 more than once. Hard to be worse than that.

 

[Herby]

We will never know the truth about Faber, it’s all rumor and innuendo.

He may have wanted to be closer to his family, or he may have simply preferred to play for the University of Minnesota and not the Ontario Reign.

He is a fantastic defenseman, who is going to have a great career in the league, credit to the Kings for trading up to specifically target him. We ended up flipping him for a great player. It was win/win for everyone.

 

[Mattias]

We will never know the truth about Faber, it’s all rumor and innuendo.

He may have wanted to be closer to his family, or he may have simply preferred to play for the University of Minnesota and not the Ontario Reign.

He is a fantastic defenseman, who is going to have a great career in the league, credit to the Kings for trading up to specifically target him. We ended up flipping him for a great player. It was win/win for everyone.

Another small nugget on that trade was how we got to hear how Gms in the league operate.

32 thoughts had Bill Guerin on it and it was a fantastic interview. Guerin started talking about other GMs in the league and reputations they had. Guerin specifically stated he enjoyed working with Blake as he does not try to pull fast ones or overhype players (other GMs are quite bad for this). Blake was one of the easiest to work with in finding a trade which worked for both teams.

Just thought it was interesting as this the trade was last offseason but Guerin brought it up right away.

 

[Johnny Utah]

At least Guerin values toughness - the Wild have Reaves, Foligno, Middleton, and Duhaine - any of those players are tougher than anyone on the Kings.

 

[Herby]

Well, never mind, just read the article, and yeah it seems like he just wanted to try and win a national championship and then join the Kings after the season. And props to him, many guys say years later they wish they had given it one more kick, he was able to see the bigger picture at age 20.

Will be curious what the Wild do with him, I think he might be a better option than both Merrill and Dumba at this point. I think the guy has a real chance to be a slightly lesser version of McAvoy, and pretty quickly, his game is going to translate really well to the NHL.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I've given you names countless times. You say it's ancient history and that teams are changing because of Covid.

Many NHL teams have their AHL teams close by, this is not something exclusive to the Kings anymore. And what benefit has this shown for the Kings?

There is no age restriction on NCAA players going to the AHL, that is part of the CHL/NHL agreement. Which is partly to keep CHL players from losing their best players, and partly because the AHL is a shitty place for teenagers.

Two separate things
1. Covid changed/interrupted things.
2. Times are a changing in general.
3. I never said it was exclusive to the Kings to have the AHL team close by.
4. I thought you said in other posts making stuff up was a cardinal sin here?
Thanks for the NCAA clarification.

Did you see the game?
Jordan Spence cost the Kings big time and got away with one that would have cost the Kings.
So much for young players, again.
Especially in games that have season ending implications.
I hope you were not one of the many guys that said he should be on the Kings and a starter.

 

[YAYSAY]

Two separate things
1. Covid changed/interrupted things.
2. Times are a changing in general.
3. I never said it was exclusive to the Kings to have the AHL team close by.
4. I thought you said in other posts making stuff up was a cardinal sin here?
Thanks for the NCAA clarification.

Did you see the game?
Jordan Spence cost the Kings big time and got away with one that would have cost the Kings.
So much for young players, again.
Especially in games that have season ending implications.
I hope you were not one of the many guys that said he should be on the Kings and a starter.

If times are changing then according to you we should expect to see Bedard and Fantilli in the AHL, right? Because if not, then again Kings are pretty alone in their developmental decisions

 

[Surf Nutz]

If times are changing then according to you we should expect to see Bedard and Fantilli in the AHL, right? Because if not, then again Kings are pretty alone in their developmental decisions

Wtf?
A generational talent like Bedard?
Fantili?
Going to non playoff teams at the bottom of the standings?
Losing team have room and put top tier guys like this in the NHL.
You are asking me this shiite about picks 1 and 2 in a deep draft.

You and team good old boys club that do these drive by setups,with no real dialogue, should stick to watching what you say, and not put words in my mouth.
Times are a changing in this world and in the NHL.
Got that T-Rex?

 

[kings11]

I respectfully disagree.
Reports are he comes from a tight nit family and his sister has special needs.
The Wild couldn't be the any more close to home situation especially compared to playing in the farthest corner of the league away from there.

Read the article dude

 

[Surf Nutz]

Read the article dude

I heard what Herby said.
I was not aware, nor was Herby at the time of my post.

 

[kings11]

Based on what? I don’t have an opinion either way but just because he signs with another team does not mean he would have signed with us.


MacEwan has been so bad he’s sat for 57 min out of 60 more than once. Hard to be worse than that.

Ok, I’ll assume you didn’t read the article and didn’t specially the part where he was 100% in on the Kings. The kid returned to Minny to win a championship and nearly did aaaaaaand now, he’s going to sign.