Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season Part 2

[Nasti]

Well deserved. Not enough attention paid in retrospect to the fact that we did not have him in last season's series against the Oilers.

If they stay healthy, the Kings will have added three 20 goal scorers to their lineup compared to last years playoffs. Fiala, Vilardi, and Arvidsson.

 

[Statto]

I thought we wanted to trade this guy?

People are trying to figure out how we find needed cap space, as you well know. It’s not about ‘wanting’ him gone.

You trolling attempts are getting weaker.

 

[David Lunch]

I cant believe there are people advocating to have Fiala on our 3rd line.

I guess it's better than saying that Fiala hasn't improved the team.

Here's a few things I like about having Fiala on the third line (provided that he still gets about 18 mins of ice time):

• He is is the engine of whatever line he is on and needs to have the puck more than his linemates for him to be at his peak effectiveness. Zone entries, cutting to the slot, making cross ice laser passes, etc. Letting him be the big dog on a line gives him the most runway to run rough shot all over the ice.

• The NICE line already works excellently and adding Fiala doesn't raise that line's offensive potential as much as taking him off the third line reduces that line's offensive potential.

• Having him on the third line forces opposing teams to shut down 3 true scoring lines instead of just 2 (which is all most teams can handle).

• Piggybacking off the last point, it gives Fiala a higher chance of playing against lower competition which he'll shred to bits even more easily.

• Provided that Vilardi is on the 3rd line, Fiala still has a shooter to dish to (and Vilardi has a guy that can dish it to him).

For me, it's not "demoting" Fiala to the third line, it's saying "hey, you're such a force you should cary a line for us".

 

[Statto]

Moving Iafallo, Walker, and two of Durzi/Grundstrom/Lizotte would probably account for all the capspace needed in the offseason. If they want to keep Lizotte and Durzi then theyd probably have to pay to unload Peterson instead.

The problem becomes who really wants them. Arvi (who I’d like to keep) will easily be the most moveable contract this off season. That’s why he gets mentioned more. I don’t think Iaffalo or Walker are easy moves to make, even if they are my preference.

The cap is definitely going to dictate moves (or non signings) this off season.

 

[Kingfan1967]

Here's a few things I like about having Fiala on the third line (provided that he still gets about 18 mins of ice time):

• He is is the engine of whatever line he is on and needs to have the puck more than his linemates for him to be at his peak effectiveness. Zone entries, cutting to the slot, making cross ice laser passes, etc. Letting him be the big dog on a line gives him the most runway to run rough shot all over the ice.

• The NICE line already works excellently and adding Fiala doesn't raise that line's offensive potential as much as taking him off the third line reduces that line's offensive potential.

• Having him on the third line forces opposing teams to shut down 3 true scoring lines instead of just 2 (which is all most teams can handle).

• Piggybacking off the last point, it gives Fiala a higher chance of playing against lower competition which he'll shred to bits even easier.

• Provided that Vilardi is on the 3rd line, Fiala still has a shooter to dish to (and Vilardi has a guy that can dish it to him).

For me, it's not "demoting" Fiala to the third line, it's saying "hey, you're such a force you should cary a line for us".

Pushing a " 3rd line " player to the 1st/2nd PP is less disruptive than using a 2nd liner on the 1st PP also.

 

[Docgonzo]

I actually think Walker will be easy to move in the summer just because he’s got 1 year left. Teams would be much more accepting of a trade since it’d just be for that season. And if it comes down to it, Blake can buy him out. His buyout is 416k next season and 1.1 the season after so not horrible.

Iafallo is the harder one with 4mil for 2 more years. His buyout is 950k, 1.6, 1.3, 1.3 while also not horrible but that’s too many years of dead cap unless they absolutely have to.

Arvy sucks because he would be the easiest to probably trade but also the one who would hurt the most.

Maybe Blake can get lucky and drop Cal for cheaper than we expect, who knows.

 

[Master Yoda]

If they stay healthy, the Kings will have added three 20 goal scorers to their lineup compared to last years playoffs. Fiala, Vilardi, and Arvidsson.

and a 1st line winger (Byfield) and top pairing D (Doughty).

Now if only the games were played with stats and roster comparison, Kings would have the 1st round in the bag.

 

[Surf Nutz]

It's so dumb and inaccurate for the FO crew to be jumping on the board saying people want Arvi traded for Fagemo. It's one guy who loves Fagemo. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. Why not be happy about the current team success

Everyone else when mentioning Arvi first & foremost want other lesser guys moved out in order to fit in team needs (LHD, Goalie, size). After this season though. But we all (usually) understand this is a business. If you can't find takers for AI, etc. and it means you can't sign one of more of Gav, Korpi, GV, etc. -- then Arvi is the only logical guy. He is very valuable and thus you will have plenty of takers while getting a good return. I'd personally look to trade Moore even before Arvi, but that seem unlikely considering the FO just recently extended Moore. Extending Arvi seem unlikely after next season anyway with Matthews coming (jk wink) and waiver exempt guys.

Why don't YOU stop telling people what they should and should not post?
You certainly post what you want.
You seem to think you are the unofficial debate moderator.
You are not.
So keep to responding to takes with your takes not telling people what to do!

 

[Surf Nutz]

Who is this we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Or are you just not aware that people can have different opinions?

And I don't even think the prevailing opinion is "ugh he sucks trade him," just about everyone would agree he's been great. This issue is when his contract is up he'll be in an age group that is quick to fall off, and he'll also want a lot of term, do you think it's a good idea to give him a contract for a lot of term due to how he's playing now? The idea is you replace what would be big and expensive contracts with cheaper, cost-controlled ones and hope they can produce similarly. Pretty sure I've seen people paid to make those decisions do that before so you should be all for it

A lot of posters were saying trade Arv because of the cap crunch.
You really think Axl does not know people have opinions?
No you dont!
You just don't like that he continually has different opinions than you and the buddy buddy club and he responds sharply.
Now Arv is the well deserved league wide player of the week, during a race for playoff position, 3 weeks before the playoffs.
Bad timing and cold water on the trade Arv campaign.
I really don't wanna break up the 2nd line but if anyone has to go, despite his term, it might be Moore.

 

[Schrute farms]

Why don't YOU stop telling people what they should and should not post?

Wait, isn't this exactly what you are telling me not do.......oh, never mind lol

 

[Surf Nutz]

I cant believe there are people advocating to have Fiala on our 3rd line.

It is hard to say.
But he is an alpha player that attempts to ply him with other alphas, Kopi, Danault, have not payed the dividends these lines have with other guys.
He plays good with younger players like Boldy, and Vilardi and Byfield earlier in the year.
So its almost by default you bump him to 3rd line.
To make up for it you spread the minutes more evenly on the top 3 lines.
You can't move Byfield, who had a mostly poor game last night right now, but I see Fi-Byf-Vil as a future top 2 line in which Kempe may also be inserted.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Wait, isn't this exactly what you are telling me not do.......oh, never mind lol

What is the FO crew?
Field Office?
Freshmen operatives?
Farting Orangutans?
What are you saying?

Oh front office.
Calling them a crew threw me off.
They are the executives not really a crew but whatevers.

 

[kingsfan28]

Arvidsson NHL 1st star of the week

Viktor Arvidsson Named NHL's First Star of the Week - LA Kings Insider

Happy Monday, Insiders! Sharing a bit of leaguewide recognition for Kings forward Viktor Arvidsson, who capped off yet another multi-point game yesterday evening with two goals and an assist in the win over St. Louis. As the Kings went 3-0-0 across their three games played, Arvidsson tallied...

lakingsinsider.com

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[Nasti]

Via Twitter:

Every time I see Gustavsson’s name I hear Walter Matthau’s voice from Grumpy Old Men.

 

[Seattle King]

Nobody wants to ditch Arvy or any other player we like. But its a flat cap era. I blame Bettman. He is the shitty Commissioner who has afflicted his league with a flat cap so you cant even retain the guys you develop in some cases.
He is desperately trying to cover for his failure by introducing and promoting widespread gambling in association with the league brand. He will probably appoint Sam Bankman-Fried as Deputy Commissioner in the near future.
Hockey will be so much better off when that horrible fraud and douchebag is no longer making bad decisions for the league.

 

[Nasti]

I thought we wanted to trade this guy?

Another bad faith argument.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Another bad faith argument.

Argument? Looks like a question to me.

Try to come up with some original material...bring back 'strawman' or something like that. Things are getting stale...

 

[bouncesonly]

No one. It doesn't really matter. One of Kaliyev/Grundstrom/JAD gets a promotion in his absence and you hope for the best.

Blake's bad contracts are starting to catch up to him; Moore, Iafallo, Walker, Petersen.

To me, it all depends on how the Kings do this playoffs. If they get eliminated early or win the cup, trade everyone.... cause who cares, you choked or you won the cup.

But if they go deep, they should keep Arvy for one last shot with Kopi (unless you've got some team willing to overpay for Viktor), and shed as many of Iafallo/Moore/Walker/Durzi/Peterson to re-up Korpisalo/Gavrikov/Vilardi. I think 33's production is worth more for another deep run with Kopi (assuming he doesn't fall off a cliff) than whatever fair return Kings could get.

The year after, who knows what's gonna happen....Kopi could retire, he could commit to 1 or more years, he might fall off after Blake drops another Peterson-like extension, etc....in addition to the other expiring contracts: Lizotte, Grundstrom, Byfield, Kaliyev, Roy, Walker (if he's around), Durzi (if he's around), Spence, and Copley.

 

[Seattle King]

The successful cap era teams pay for Cs, and pay for top 4 Ds, and also pay for 1st line wingers.
If you find yourself paying out a growing number of 3.5-5 M AAV contracts to middle class wingers, you are piloting the ship straight into the rocks. These are the contracts that must not be allowed to cap you out of signing your core people to big deals.

 

[bouncesonly]

If they stay healthy, the Kings will have added three 20 goal scorers to their lineup compared to last years playoffs. Fiala, Vilardi, and Arvidsson.

Imagine Kempe finishing with 55 goals....would that mean we would have added four 20 goal scorers?

 

[Surf Nutz]

To me, it all depends on how the Kings do this playoffs. If they get eliminated early or win the cup, trade everyone.... cause who cares, you choked or you won the cup.

But if they go deep, they should keep Arvy for one last shot with Kopi (unless you've got some team willing to overpay for Viktor), and shed as many of Iafallo/Moore/Walker/Durzi/Peterson to re-up Korpisalo/Gavrikov/Vilardi. I think 33's production is worth more for another deep run with Kopi (assuming he doesn't fall off a cliff) than whatever fair return Kings could get.

The year after, who knows what's gonna happen....Kopi could retire, he could commit to 1 or more years, he might fall off after Blake drops another Peterson-like extension, etc....in addition to the other expiring contracts: Lizotte, Grundstrom, Byfield, Kaliyev, Roy, Walker (if he's around), Durzi (if he's around), Spence, and Copley.

Great reply and thoughts.
Yup you are not trading Arvy next year anyway if you are going for it.
Trade everyone if you win the cup is very unconventional but I understand the upside.
Maybe trade a select few, after you weigh the pros and cons , focusing on retaining the best contracts and younger improving players.
Hoping Blake say no to NMC's.
The trade Arvy crew due to cap constraints is definitely getting a full wedgie this week.
Not only was he recognized but Tmac pulled back the curtain in the presser and gave a view of what he means to the locker room, bench.
And how he leads by example and professionalism at a time when the Kings are integrating young players,with more on deck, into a contending team.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Seems like there is open deep state on this board trying to control the narratives and ostracize those that don't get on their knees for it.

Give it a f***ing rest.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Give it a f***ing rest.

Push the button...

 

[Nasti]

Argument? Looks like a question to me.

Try to come up with some original material...bring back 'strawman' or something like that. Things are getting stale...

Adding a question mark at the end doesn’t make it a question.

, deep state

Oh right. Axl is the victim in all this, haha.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Adding a question mark at the end doesn’t make it a question.


Oh right. Axl is the victim in all this, haha.

1. Click on the user profile of Axl, me or whoever else.
2. Click on the third button from the left "ignore."
3. You are welcome.