LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

[KingsHockey24]

josh anderson of montreal and his contract as negotiated by by our very own marc bergevin, are one of the biggest standing jokes in the nhl.
he is trevor lewis as a forward. and his contract is instructive of what a fool marc bergevin is.

Josh Anderson:
119 Hits
29 Blocks
18 Takeaways

Trevor Lewis:
55 Hits
45 Blocks
11 Takeaways

I'm not saying trade for Anderson but he plays a much more physical game than Lewis.

 

[YP44]

So Fiala was leading the team in points last year before getting hurt. Now Kempe.

Kopitar will lead the team forever as anyone else is cursed

 

[Herby]

I find it amusing that you feel a birthday is criteria to be in the lineup. Not that I'm against Turcotte playing, but this is professional sports, not elementary school.

100% Correct

 

[chris kontos]

Josh Anderson:
119 Hits
29 Blocks
18 Takeaways

Trevor Lewis:
55 Hits
45 Blocks
11 Takeaways

I'm not saying trade for Anderson but he plays a much more physical game than Lewis.

Anderson is actually doing much much better than previous and the trevor lewis comparison doesnt apply at all. Anderson is playing well

 

[Lt Dan]

100% Correct

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[BigKing]

Fork them if Kempe misses significant time. They suck without Arvidsson let alone losing Kempe on top of it.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Josh Anderson:
119 Hits
29 Blocks
18 Takeaways

Trevor Lewis:
55 Hits
45 Blocks
11 Takeaways

I'm not saying trade for Anderson but he plays a much more physical game than Lewis.

Please watch three consecutive Habs games and report your findings outside of statistics

both Anderson and Lewis should be in the AHL

Anderson is actually doing much much better than previous and the trevor lewis comparison doesnt apply at all. Anderson is playing well

wtf lol

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

They have zero reason to be going all in

you know what that means

 

[dman3474]

I think that’s what we are all afraid of

 

[Johnny Utah]

Anthony Mantha or Luke Kunin.

 

[chris kontos]

Please watch three consecutive Habs games and report your findings outside of statistics

both Anderson and Lewis should be in the AHL



wtf lol

My comment was based in some bunk stats i saw. What ive read from montreal guys they really dislike him. And thier opinions were based on watching him fr a long period. So, not being a big fan of stats being the total measure of a players performance i wouldnt want him on the kings and bergevin and the canadien fans got burned by josh anderson.
My retraction was based on seeing stats that were straight up bullshit when comparing them to nhl official stats. Which is one more embarrassing reminder of why i dont base my opinion of hockey players on stats alone.

 

[Herby]

They have zero reason to be going all in

you know what that means

I just don’t know how anyone could look at the lineup last night and think this team is a Stanley Cup contender. I know people can be blinded by their own teams, but I mean come on, the closest comps to this team right now are the Red Wings and Flyers. No one here would argue either of those teams are contenders, but some still insist this team is, why? Trading young players or the 1st round pick would be a real shame.

So if that happens you end up with QB and Clarke as your key building pieces of the future, they were drafted in 2020 and 2021.

Look around those years and just how little they could end up adding to those two through the draft.

2017 1st- Vilardi - Traded
2017 2nd - JAD - Depth Player
2018 1st - Kupari - Traded
2018 2nd - Thomas - 0 NHL Games, depth piece at best
2019 1st - Turcotte - 3rd/4th liner
2019 1st - Bjornfot - Waived
2019 2nd - Kaliyev - Trending down (possibly traded if they try and add)
2020 2nd - Grans - Traded
2020 2nd - Faber - Traded
2021 2nd - Pinelli - Very disappointing first AHL season
2021 2nd - Helenius - Likely future 4th line C
2022 1st - Traded in Fiala deal
2022 2nd - Hughes - Bust
2023 1st- Traded in Gavrikov deal
2023 2nd - Dvorak - TBD

Beyond those rounds, you end up with a solid 2nd pairing defensive d-man in the 4th in 2017, a solid 3rd pairing puck mover in the 4th in 2019 and a solid 2rd/4th liner in the 3rd in 2020, which aren't awful results, but when you have very little or nothing to show for a lot of these other picks it doesn't mean much, where are the secondary pieces going to come from?

Now some say we should be open to trading another 1st round pick, for the third year in a row?

I find it crazy how some here were so against being a bottom 5 team when Clarke and Byfield were 18-22 but will are pushing moves that will contribute to the team being awful when those two are in their primes, it just doesn't make any sense.

Fork them if Kempe misses significant time. They suck without Arvidsson let alone losing Kempe on top of it.

They will still make the playoffs, they'd really have to fall off significantly. But now we have the built in excuse from Luc.

"You know, we lost our leading scorer you know, you take McDavid or MacKinnon away from Edmonton or Colorado and they would have lost too, you know.

 

[BigKing]

I just don’t know how anyone could look at the lineup last night and think this team is a Stanley Cup contender. I know people can be blinded by their own teams, but I mean come on, the closest comps to this team right now are the Red Wings and Flyers. No one here would argue either of those teams are contenders, but some still insist this team is, why? Trading young players or the 1st round pick would be a real shame.

So if that happens you end up with QB and Clarke as your key building pieces of the future, they were drafted in 2020 and 2021.

Look around those years and just how little they could end up adding to those two through the draft.

2017 1st- Vilardi - Traded
2017 2nd - JAD - Depth Player
2018 1st - Kupari - Traded
2018 2nd - Thomas - 0 NHL Games, depth piece at best
2019 1st - Turcotte - 3rd/4th liner
2019 1st - Bjornfot - Waived
2019 2nd - Kaliyev - Trending down (possibly traded if they try and add)
2020 2nd - Grans - Traded
2020 2nd - Faber - Traded
2021 2nd - Pinelli - Very disappointing first AHL season
2021 2nd - Helenius - Likely future 4th line C
2022 1st - Traded in Fiala deal
2022 2nd - Hughes - Bust
2023 1st- Traded in Gavrikov deal
2023 2nd - Dvorak - TBD

Beyond those rounds, you end up with a solid 2nd pairing defensive d-man in the 4th in 2017, a solid 3rd pairing puck mover in the 4th in 2019 and a solid 2rd/4th liner in the 3rd in 2020, which aren't awful results, but when you have very little or nothing to show for a lot of these other picks it doesn't mean kuch, where are the secondary pieces going to come from?

Now some say we should be open to trading another 1st round pick, for the third year in a row?

I find it crazy how some here were so against being a bottom 5 team when Clarke and Byfield were 18-22 but will are advocating moves that will contribute to the team being awful when those two are in their primes, it just doesn't make any sense.



They will still make the playoffs, they'd really have to fall off significantly. But now we have the built in excuse from Luc.

"You know, we lost our leading scorer you know, you take McDavid or MacKinnon away from Edmonton or Colorado and they would have lost too, you know.

If he's out 4-6 weeks, there is a very good chance they miss.

 

[DoktorJeep]

If Juice and RV are LTIR’er for a solid chunk then you can find a way to fit Saros through the regular season. A first, second, Kaliyev and Turcotte might get that done.

 

[Kudelski37]

If Juice and RV are LTIR’er for a solid chunk then you can find a way to fit Saros through the regular season. A first, second, Kaliyev and Turcotte might get that done.

There is zero reason to acquire him. He is struggling, small, and due a new contract next year at age 30. The Kings probably aren't a playoff team this year. They have to play the young guys in bigger roles next year due to cap space so they could easily struggle. Trading for Saros sets the franchise back.

 

[kings11]

If Juice and RV are LTIR’er for a solid chunk then you can find a way to fit Saros through the regular season. A first, second, Kaliyev and Turcotte might get that done.

Why the f*** would we do that? This team is likely cooked and should start inserting kids/younger players into the line up to get them acclimated while selling off UFAs and certain RFAs

 

[BaileyFan]

If he's out 4-6 weeks, there is a very good chance they miss.

Kings have a cupcake remaining schedule and really only need to go slightly over .500 with the lack of quality teams behind them. With Vegas looking like they’re packing it up and going into LTIR mode the rest of the way, I think the Kings will even float into the top 3 by season’s end.

 

[DoktorJeep]

There is zero reason to acquire him. He is struggling, small, and due a new contract next year at age 30. The Kings probably aren't a playoff team this year. They have to play the young guys in bigger roles next year due to cap space so they could easily struggle. Trading for Saros sets the franchise back.

Well, there are two reasons to acquire him and they are named Talbot and Rittich. The contract is due, but it could be managed both short term (if the Kings pay the freight for the trade plus retention) and further out given the cap going up plus betting on goalie contracts to not be massive in the future.


The cost of the trade makes it questionable if guys like Arty and Turk are out the door. I suggested it because the rumor was Trotz asking for Byfield. So if that’s not possible, but the Kings are interested, then what would be good enough to be a competitive offer.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Why the f*** would we do that? This team is likely cooked and should start inserting kids/younger players into the line up to get them acclimated while selling off UFAs and certain RFAs

3 of the 4 goals Rittich gave up last night were stoppable. The Kings let 2 points slip away in the third period in a statement game. Given the reason for going cheap in net was because of cap constraints, if you have an opportunity to improve there because of unplanned flexibility, then you have to look at it.

The goal was make noise in the playoffs. That’s at risk, but it’s still looking good for a playoff berth. So, if you can make a move to get back to the making noise potential, I can see these idiots in management talking themselves into just about any short term thinking.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

3 of the 4 goals Rittich gave up last night were stoppable. The Kings let 2 points slip away in the third period in a statement game. Given the reason for going cheap in net was because of cap constraints, if you have an opportunity to improve there because of unplanned flexibility, then you have to look at it.

The goal was make noise in the playoffs. That’s at risk, but it’s still looking good for a playoff berth. So, if you can make a move to get back to the making noise potential, I can see these idiots in management talking themselves into just about any short term thinking.

3 of the 4..what? You mean the one time all the way across or the clapper off the top bar and down? oh no, the high tip....definitely should have seen that coming...wait.....the deflection off of the give n go....

Man, sometimes I gotta wonder WTF you guys are watching....

 

[kings11]

3 of the 4 goals Rittich gave up last night were stoppable. The Kings let 2 points slip away in the third period in a statement game. Given the reason for going cheap in net was because of cap constraints, if you have an opportunity to improve there because of unplanned flexibility, then you have to look at it.

The goal was make noise in the playoffs. That’s at risk, but it’s still looking good for a playoff berth. So, if you can make a move to get back to the making noise potential, I can see these idiots in management talking themselves into just about any short term thinking.

The team doesn’t have the defense needed to advance far enough in the playoffs. Yes, those goals should have been stopped but most of those plays shouldn’t have even happened.
We need a big, physical defensive Dman and guys on the fourth line that can create a heavy, cycling shutdown line but that’s not there so we either need to sign him, trade for him or draft him..
The only thing this team is currently good at is disappointing its fanbase!

 

[Kudelski37]

Well, there are two reasons to acquire him and they are named Talbot and Rittich. The contract is due, but it could be managed both short term (if the Kings pay the freight for the trade plus retention) and further out given the cap going up plus betting on goalie contracts to not be massive in the future.


The cost of the trade makes it questionable if guys like Arty and Turk are out the door. I suggested it because the rumor was Trotz asking for Byfield. So if that’s not possible, but the Kings are interested, then what would be good enough to be a competitive offer.

Talbot and Rittich are statistically better than Saros this season. Adding an underperforming "name" goalie isn't going to improve a mediocre team.

The Kings are thin on prospects due to trades and bad picks. This would extend the problem further into the future.

 

[DoktorJeep]

The team doesn’t have the defense needed to advance far enough in the playoffs. Yes, those goals should have been stopped but most of those plays shouldn’t have even happened.
We need a big, physical defensive Dman and guys on the fourth line that can create a heavy, cycling shutdown line but that’s not there so we either need to sign him, trade for him or draft him..
The only thing this team is currently good at is disappointing its fanbase!

That’s too many moves trying to address holes at forward and D. So I can see management saying if the goalie is better than it automagically helps the rest of the team everywhere else on the ice.

You’ve got one bullet to shoot, so making the expedient choice is looking more and more likely.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Talbot and Rittich are statistically better than Saros this season. Adding an underperforming "name" goalie isn't going to improve a mediocre team.

The Kings are thin on prospects due to trades and bad picks. This would extend the problem further into the future.

It’s a feel good move for the acknowledged biggest area of need. Like last year with Gavrikov and Korpisalo. Like this summer for Pierre Luc. Futures be damned. Only difference this current milestone is that the pressure is on for management.

 

[All The Kings Men]

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