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johnjm22 said:
I don't think that's exactly true.

That's why when you see guys like Kucherov or Stone come back from LTIR it's not until after the regular season ends; because there's no savings if they come backing during the regular season.

Still, the Kings shouldn't have a problem fitting RV under the cap. It will be extremely tight, and they'll have to carry a light roster. I'm guessing JAD will probably get waived again.
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I'd be surprised if someone picks up JAD.
 
bmr said:
I'd be surprised if someone picks up JAD.
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They won't wave him, he is playing well. Laferriere would likely be sent down until the playoffs/next injury, and they will likely carry six defensemen at home and on local roadies.
 
bland said:
They won't wave him, he is playing well. Laferriere would likely be sent down until the playoffs/next injury, and they will likely carry six defensemen at home and on local roadies.
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If they can fit him they won't, but they might not have a choice even with Laf sent down.

I don't think any of us can actually calculate the Kings exact cap situation because of all the paper transactions they've made. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
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All The Kings Men said:
LTIR and season long cap space accrual is pretty straight forward.... until you start factoring in bonus pools.

That's when I lose the thread completely.
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In all honesty I’ve never looked into it properly. I just read forum posts and thought I’d figured it out. I should know better. I’m going to do some homework on it next week… probably.
 
Friedman mentioned if the Kings go after Saros it would be Kayilev and a young D.

Wonder if the Kings would move Spence and Kayilev and move Clarke into the top 6 and re-sign Roy.

That's a lot of cash coming in so Kings would def have to walk on Arvidsson, Lizotte, Grundstrom, Copley and Talbot to save money.
 
Statto said:
In all honesty I’ve never looked into it properly. I just read forum posts and thought I’d figured it out. I should know better. I’m going to do some homework on it next week… probably.
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I spent like 30 minutes talking to one of the guys that runs one of the contract tracking websites and he tried real hard to explain it to me and I did NOT follow the bonus pool impacts.

Math was never my strong suit but I like to think I'm a fairly clever guy who's spent hours and hours and hours talking to people about various aspects of this industry.... either it's real complicated or I'm not nearly as clever as I think.

Or both I guess...

Johnny Utah said:
Friedman mentioned if the Kings go after Saros it would be Kayilev and a young D.

Wonder if the Kings would move Spence and Kayilev and move Clarke into the top 6 and re-sign Roy.

That's a lot of cash coming in so Kings would def have to walk on Arvidsson, Lizotte, Grundstrom, Copley and Talbot to save money.
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Not sure that alone would get it done unless there's significant salary retention by Nashville or a third party.
 
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no way kings can afford saros and roys raise. unless roy is willing to sign for cheap 4-4.5 million.
 
Saros makes 5 million.

Roy makes 3.125 million currently. Assume he gets 1 million dollar raise or so. His 3 million is already accounted for, so the additional 1-2 million needs to get accounted for - so essentially Kings need about 7 million. The Cap is also going up.

Lizotte makes 1.675 million + Grundstrom at 1.3 million + Arvidsson at 4.25 million + Copley at 1.5 million + Talbot at 1 million.

That should do it.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Saros makes 5 million.

Roy makes 3.125 million currently. Assume he gets 1 million dollar raise or so. His 3 million is already accounted for, so the additional 1-2 million needs to get accounted for - so essentially Kings need about 7 million. The Cap is also going up.

Lizotte makes 1.675 million + Grundstrom at 1.3 million + Arvidsson at 4.25 million + Copley at 1.5 million + Talbot at 1 million.

That should do it.
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They cant afford Saros on this current roster though unless they keep Arvidsson on LTIR until after the deadline. Like Vegas did with Stone and Tampa did with Kucherov.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Saros makes 5 million.

Roy makes 3.125 million currently. Assume he gets 1 million dollar raise or so. His 3 million is already accounted for, so the additional 1-2 million needs to get accounted for - so essentially Kings need about 7 million. The Cap is also going up.

Lizotte makes 1.675 million + Grundstrom at 1.3 million + Arvidsson at 4.25 million + Copley at 1.5 million + Talbot at 1 million.

That should do it.
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Byfield raise.

Next year, it looks like Roy + Goalie vs Doughty. Arvidsson probably gone either way.

Could bridge Byfield, but that doesn't seem like a good idea.

Can also get retention on Saros. Only one more year on the books so retention shouldn't be too difficult.
 
FSL KINGS said:
Can also get retention on Saros. Only one more year on the books so retention shouldn't be too difficult.
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Yes BUT retention raises the price.

If you get a third party involved they need to be reimbursed for their trouble and if it's JUST retention from Nashville then THEY need to be reimbursed for their trouble.

It can be done it's just going to cost more than you think and be more than just a dollar in/dollar out transaction.
 
Kings still have to field players next year and quite literally half of their current and prospective players are free agents including every single goalie from Talbot to Portillo.
 
23 million cap space with byfield, spence, grundstrom kaliyev, lizotte needing raises and a goalie. gonna be tight but doable.
 
All The Kings Men said:
Yes BUT retention raises the price.

If you get a third party involved they need to be reimbursed for their trouble and if it's JUST retention from Nashville then THEY need to be reimbursed for their trouble.

It can be done it's just going to cost more than you think and be more than just a dollar in/dollar out transaction.
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Fitting a Markstrom, Saros, Gibson this year will require major retention. Next year there are contracts that can be moved around.

Recently Markstrom to NJ was rumored to have broken up over retention & the cost. Markstrom has 2 more years left.

Leaning more towards a 1-3M goalie with retention this year. Are the goalies in this range a big enough upgrade over Riddick to justify the move?

Markstrom is about the only big name goalie out there actually having a good year. Shesterkin also deserves a mention as the worst goalie in the league from Jan 1 to all-star break.
 
unicornpig said:
23 million cap space with byfield, spence, grundstrom kaliyev, lizotte needing raises and a goalie. gonna be tight but doable.
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$22.6M in cap space

Need raises or replacements for

Byfield
Arvidsson
JAD
Lizotte
Grundstrom
Spence
Roy
Talbot
Rittich

And that's for a 20 player roster

that's two goalies, two defensemen and five forwards

I left Kaliyev, Lewis, Clarke off the list but presumably you'd need a raise for *Kaliyev

EDIT* Sorry Clarke is included in the roster that leaves you 22.6 in cap space and you'd only need one defenseman to reach the 20 players roster

They'll get it done because they have to in order to ice a roster and play games but as you say it'll be tight
 
All The Kings Men said:
$22.6M in cap space

Need raises or replacements for

Byfield
Arvidsson
JAD
Lizotte
Grundstrom
Spence
Roy
Talbot
Rittich

And that's for a 20 player roster

that's two goalies, two defensemen and five forwards

I left Kaliyev, Lewis, Clarke off the list but presumably you'd need a raise for *Kaliyev

EDIT* Sorry Clarke is included in the roster that leaves you 22.6 in cap space and you'd only need one defenseman to reach the 20 players roster

They'll get it done because they have to in order to ice a roster and play games but as you say it'll be tight
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6.5 m byfield
Arvidsson, wont and shouldn't be re-signed Laferrie most likely takes his position next year
JAD league minimum
2m Lizotte i can see him being let go if he asks for more
2m Grundstorm
1.5m Spence
Roy will be replaced by Clarke
3-5m starting goalie
1m backup goalie
2.5-3m if kaliyev is not traded

very doable.
 
johnjm22 said:
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Kopitar was better than Byfield as a 19 and 20 year old. But at 21? The gap has narrowed.

Kopitar was playing center and being relied on more heavily, and on a worse team, but he was also getting more PP time.

Both playing a responsible D game.

You could even argue QB has more upside from here on out than AK did at 21.
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This isn't even directed at you John, it's kind of expected you'd make outlandish comments. But how on earth did people agree with this? Kopitar being the top flight center under TM, being essentially the only talent besides Frolov. The Kings today are the most talented group of forwards they've ever had while being an offensive structured team. How is this even comparable to you guys? Kopitar was playing in a lower scoring era than now, all while being the go to guy on the team and it wasnt even close. Byfield has the luxury of playing with Kopitar and Kempe, both point producers. Byfield hasn't even played center yet and people think he has more upside than Kopitar when he hasn't even played his required position? Forget the points, you guys seriously compare him to Kopitar? The disrespect to Kopitar is insane. Absolute insanity. Anyone who watched both players during their draft knows that Kopitar has been a monster in every regime and playstyle while having to work with so little talent.
 
Sol said:
This isn't even directed at you John, it's kind of expected you'd make outlandish comments. But how on earth did people agree with this? Kopitar being the top flight center under TM, being essentially the only talent besides Frolov. The Kings today are the most talented group of forwards they've ever had while being an offensive structured team. How is this even comparable to you guys? Kopitar was playing in a lower scoring era than now, all while being the go to guy on the team and it wasnt even close. Byfield has the luxury of playing with Kopitar and Kempe, both point producers. Byfield hasn't even played center yet and people think he has more upside than Kopitar when he hasn't even played his required position? Forget the points, you guys seriously compare him to Kopitar? The disrespect to Kopitar is insane. Absolute insanity. Anyone who watched both players during their draft knows that Kopitar has been a monster in every regime and playstyle while having to work with so little talent.
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I don't think you should be allowed to participate in this discussion until you apologize for claiming Byfield would be a bust.
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
I don't think you should be allowed to participate in this discussion until you apologize for claiming Byfield would be a bust.
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Lmaooo I am not taking pointers from the guy who thought Sturm and McLellan were amazing. Also I am reserving judgment on Byfield until he plays top 6 center. Until then he’s improved for sure but it’s laughable to think he’s out of the woods.
 
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