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LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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Kopitar was better than Byfield as a 19 and 20 year old. But at 21? The gap has narrowed.

Kopitar was playing center and being relied on more heavily, and on a worse team, but he was also getting more PP time.

Both playing a responsible D game.

You could even argue QB has more upside from here on out than AK did at 21.
 
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funky said:
I was a Byfield fan from the beginning, but I admit if we could’ve traded up and got both players, I would’ve been in heaven. Probably still would be today. But watching Stutzle play that game I was ready to get him a banana hammock so we could take his act to the diving boards. I’m not sure why some of the most talented players in the world, have to be such douche bags. I’d like to ask that to Fiala one day as well
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Euro players growing up playing and watching Futbol. Same in Basketball.
 
johnjm22 said:
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Kopitar was better than Byfield as a 19 and 20 year old. But at 21? The gap has narrowed.

Kopitar was playing center and being relied on more heavily, and on a worse team, but he was also getting more PP time.

Both playing a responsible D game.

You could even argue QB has more upside from here on out than AK did at 21.
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This is very disingenuous. Kopitar’s 21 year old season was the first year of Terry Murray, who had Kopitar change his entire game and take on a huge defensive load.

Byfield is fantastic this year but the situations are just not comparable.
 
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johnjm22 said:
RV was taking turns in the top 6 today in practice. If Fiala is back with PLD I actually like the idea of pairing them with a smart defensive player like Lewis.

QB-Kopitar-Kempe
Moore-Danault-Arvidsson
Fiala-PLD-Lewis
Grundstrom-Turcotte-Kaliyev

or

QB-Kopitar-Kempe
Fiala-Danault-Arvidsson
Moore-PLD-Kaliyev
Grundstrom-Turcotte-Lewis

JAD, Laf
Lizotte (injured?)


Trying to create a 4 line team with some balance. I like having a defensively responsible player on each line.
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Pretty sure these lineups are over the cap. If Arvidsson has to come off long term IR, the Kings are turbo f***ed.
 
Still have Lizotte and Copley giving 3.1 mil relief for 2 spots.

I think Rittich is only making .875 and if the rumors are correct, and Clarke ends up being the seventh defenseman, he makes .833 a year. If those two are the teams replacements for the LTR guys and we don’t carry extra forwards, it puts 1.375 million back over the course of the year to use.

I’m just jumping on a plane I don’t have time to do some calculations. I’ll figure it out while I’m in the air but at first glance it does look like we may be over.

Blake has us up against the wall, that’s for sure . Not sure if he’s puckering and sweating or just one of the two at this point
 
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Seems like Hiller has definitely changed practice and the psychology of it. It changes the mood but you can already see how he’s handling players differently.

The article on lakingsinsider talks about how PLD was used differently and it ties back into how I felt Byfield was mishandled early on.This generation need to feel loved/wanted/trusted and people may want to judge it but it’s a case of ‘just is’ so get used to it. I said QB needed to feel loved/trusted and he played like he felt he wasn’t. He eventually went onto LW and the implied discussion was that Kopi wanted him there. Even going into camp there was no guarantee he was staying there in the lineup. It took time but once he felt trusted he’s grown rather than focusing on trying not to make a mistake we are now seeing all his strengths on show. I think that’s were coaches need to have much better understanding and the old way of doing it is no longer the way forward. Everyone is an individual and individual approaches are needed although having fun helps everyone.

So for that one game at least PLD felt trusted with a key matchup and he raised his game, rather than being hidden. It’s funny how that works. You have to push the correct buttons on players and if Hiller gets that right it’ll be half the battle for him. It doesn’t excuse PLD because even if you are being mismanaged (IF - no evidence yet that TMAC did that) you still have to skate hard (like Byfield always did to earn his chance), but we’ve rightly already flogged that dead horse. I think we all agree if he can get PLD playing at even 90% of what he’s capable of we will be in a much better spot.

I just found the LAKI article interesting as it highlights things we have discussed on here, unintentionally, that TMac wasn’t doing.
 
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Statto said:
Seems like Hiller has definitely changed practice and the psychology of it. It changes the mood but you can already see how he’s handling players differently.

The article on lakingsinsider talks about how PLD was used differently and it ties back into how I felt Byfield was mishandled early on.This generation need to feel loved/wanted/trusted and people may want to judge it but it’s a case of ‘just is’ so get used to it. I said QB needed to feel loved/trusted and he played like he felt he wasn’t. He eventually went onto LW and the implied discussion was that Kopi wanted him there. Even going into camp there was no guarantee he was staying there in the lineup. It took time but once he felt trusted he’s grown rather than focusing on trying not to make a mistake we are now seeing all his strengths on show. I think that’s were coaches need to have much better understanding and the old way of doing it is no longer the way forward. Everyone is an individual and individual approaches are needed although having fun helps everyone.

So for that one game at least PLD felt trusted with a key matchup and he raised his game, rather than being hidden. It’s funny how that works. You have to push the correct buttons on players and if Hiller gets that right it’ll be half the battle for him. It doesn’t excuse PLD because even if you are being mismanaged (IF - no evidence yet that TMAC did that) you still have to skate hard (like Byfield always did to earn his chance), but we’ve rightly already flogged that dead horse. I think we all agree if he can get PLD playing at even 90% of what he’s capable of we will be in a much better spot.

I just found the LAKI article interesting as it highlights things we have discussed on here, unintentionally, that TMac wasn’t do
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Statto said:
Seems like Hiller has definitely changed practice and the psychology of it. It changes the mood but you can already see how he’s handling players differently.

The article on lakingsinsider talks about how PLD was used differently and it ties back into how I felt Byfield was mishandled early on.This generation need to feel loved/wanted/trusted and people may want to judge it but it’s a case of ‘just is’ so get used to it. I said QB needed to feel loved/trusted and he played like he felt he wasn’t. He eventually went onto LW and the implied discussion was that Kopi wanted him there. Even going into camp there was no guarantee he was staying there in the lineup. It took time but once he felt trusted he’s grown rather than focusing on trying not to make a mistake we are now seeing all his strengths on show. I think that’s were coaches need to have much better understanding and the old way of doing it is no longer the way forward. Everyone is an individual and individual approaches are needed although having fun helps everyone.

So for that one game at least PLD felt trusted with a key matchup and he raised his game, rather than being hidden. It’s funny how that works. You have to push the correct buttons on players and if Hiller gets that right it’ll be half the battle for him. It doesn’t excuse PLD because even if you are being mismanaged (IF - no evidence yet that TMAC did that) you still have to skate hard (like Byfield always did to earn his chance), but we’ve rightly already flogged that dead horse. I think we all agree if he can get PLD playing at even 90% of what he’s capable of we will be in a much better spot.

I just found the LAKI article interesting as it highlights things we have discussed on here, unintentionally, that TMac wasn’t doing.
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I was able to find the full replay online. PLD was buzzing early on. I liked that PLD was matched up against Perry, Kane, and Drai. With those 3 being the pests that they are, he HAD TO have some pulse there, I would've lost what little hope I had for him if he didn't stand up for himself against Perry on the 1st period. And agree that this doesn't excuse him, hustle should be there every game whether you got the right matchups or not.
 
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and then everyone clapped
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I stood on a nearby bus stop bench and said, "Oh captain, my captain!" Todd stopped and watched me with eyes tearing up, gave a knowing smile and a wave before walking off. I never saw Coach again, but never forgot the emotions he stirred in my heart.
 
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The nhl network is an embarrassment.
Can the people that work there in front of the camera even be called talent? I actually feel sorry for ej radek.
Its a shame because of the promise it had in the beginning - by spreading the sport of hockey and bringing in new fans and has degenerated to the point of being unwatchable.
 
Statto said:
This generation need to feel loved/wanted/trusted and people may want to judge it but it’s a case of ‘just is’ so get used to it.
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Agreed, but also like to remind people who wield this as a cudgel that this is a result of how they were raised by their parents, coaches, and authority figures. The irony always makes me laugh when people in their parents' generation(s) try to bash younger generations on this topic.
 
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funky said:
Still have Lizotte and Copley giving 3.1 mil relief for 2 spots.

I think Rittich is only making .875 and if the rumors are correct, and Clarke ends up being the seventh defenseman, he makes .833 a year. If those two are the teams replacements for the LTR guys and we don’t carry extra forwards, it puts 1.375 million back over the course of the year to use.

I’m just jumping on a plane I don’t have time to do some calculations. I’ll figure it out while I’m in the air but at first glance it does look like we may be over.

Blake has us up against the wall, that’s for sure . Not sure if he’s puckering and sweating or just one of the two at this point
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According to capfriendly, the Kings are like $2,000 below the cap. Arvidsson being on LTIR gives $4.25 million relief, and Copley is already on LTIR. Lizotte is not on LTIR, and if he were placed there (and I'm not sure if he qualifies), would give $1.675 million of relief. They would be $2.6 million or so over.

They're f***ed.
 
DyslexicTom said:
According to capfriendly, the Kings are like $2,000 below the cap. Arvidsson being on LTIR gives $4.25 million relief, and Copley is already on LTIR. Lizotte is not on LTIR, and if he were placed there (and I'm not sure if he qualifies), would give $1.675 million of relief. They would be $2.6 million or so over.

They're f***ed.
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You gotta wonder what they were smoking saying the expected RV back right after the break? Were they just hoping someone with a big enough salary would get injured in the first game back?

They can't hold RV out if he's healthy so... ?
 
DyslexicTom said:
According to capfriendly, the Kings are like $2,000 below the cap. Arvidsson being on LTIR gives $4.25 million relief, and Copley is already on LTIR. Lizotte is not on LTIR, and if he were placed there (and I'm not sure if he qualifies), would give $1.675 million of relief. They would be $2.6 million or so over.

They're f***ed.
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Lizotte is on IR not LTIR so his cap hit is still being factored into their cap space on capfriendly.

If the team is fully healthy (Copley, Lizotte, and Arvidsson all off IR), they can only afford to carry 2 goalies, 6 defense, and 13 forwards (or 7 D and 12 F) for 21 roster players out of the 23 max.

Activate Arvidsson = +$4.25 million against the cap so that brings them to -$2.25 million in cap space but that would also leave them with 24 players on the roster... 3 would need to be sent down.

We know for sure Copley is done for the year so he's not coming back - Rittich instead of Copley saves them about $600k.

I'm not sure if that $600k is enough to allow them to carry a 22 man roster instead of 21 but either way - They aren't necessarily f***ed. It's definitely not ideal to only carry 21 players but it's technically doable.
 
DyslexicTom said:
According to capfriendly, the Kings are like $2,000 below the cap. Arvidsson being on LTIR gives $4.25 million relief, and Copley is already on LTIR. Lizotte is not on LTIR, and if he were placed there (and I'm not sure if he qualifies), would give $1.675 million of relief. They would be $2.6 million or so over.

They're f***ed.
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Arvidsson Cap total gets reduced as the 4.25 is for the whole season. Therefore it gets prorated once he’s on the roster.
 
Statto said:
Arvidsson Cap total gets reduced as the 4.25 is for the whole season. Therefore it gets prorated once he’s on the roster.
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I don't think that's exactly true.

That's why when you see guys like Kucherov or Stone come back from LTIR it's not until after the regular season ends; because there's no savings if they come back during the regular season.

Still, the Kings shouldn't have a problem fitting RV under the cap. It will be extremely tight, and they'll have to carry a light roster. I'm guessing JAD will probably get waived again.
 
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