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LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

BigKing said:
This team is such a clown show that adding Reaves--one of the biggest clowns in the league--for a real NHL player would be icing on the cake.

I'm all about fighting but this guy doesn't respect The Code and acts like an idiot. He would not make this team a contender all of a sudden.

As for trading Kaliyev for a depth player with "edge", score one for the "Adding grit is easy" crowd.
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I don’t think most gms know Roy as well as we do. Wait until they find out he’s a complete idiot when it comes to marking players in front of the net
 
Sol said:
I don’t think most gms know Roy as well as we do. Wait until they find out he’s a complete idiot when it comes to marking players in front of the net
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Well, that's the main reason Roy isn't getting Trouba money, right?

Keep in mind other coaching staffs do things like 'play players to their strengths' and address lineup weaknesses.

He's not perfect but he's a great and that projected contract would be MORE than fair.

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Im not even sure who would end up with the most PIMs
 
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unicornpig said:
as funny as this is fiala is getting a lot of unwarranted hate.
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Not sure it's entirely unwarranted. Fiala has been pretty terrible lately and especially the last few games he's been a liability more than an asset. You'd think he'd take to heart what Doughty said in his post-game scrum but apparently not. Fiala cannot be who you build your team around, he's the final piece ala Carter or Gaborik. His sequence in the Colorado game was just pure Fiala, your best player can't do those things as consistently as he does.

Blake brought in the mercenaries too soon and then people started thinking of them as core pieces.
 
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YAYSAY said:
Not sure it's entirely unwarranted. Fiala has been pretty terrible lately and especially the last few games he's been a liability more than an asset. You'd think he'd take to heart what Doughty said in his post-game scrum but apparently not. Fiala cannot be who you build your team around, he's the final piece ala Carter or Gaborik. His sequence in the Colorado game was just pure Fiala, your best player can't do those things as consistently as he does.

Blake brought in the mercenaries too soon and then people started thinking of them as core pieces.
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sure, but putting him the in the same group as PLD and Reeves is not even close. Fiala came as advertised, he is what he is.
 
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sure, but putting him the in the same group as PLD and Reeves is not even close. Fiala came as advertised, he is what he is.
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That's true enough, but I think he's been a factor at losing us games more than winning us games lately. Although I guess that could be true for everyone, however, him not reigning it in after Doughty's comments is not good.

Fiala is a unique player, I remember before Kings got him, they played the Wild and Jim said he's surprised Fiala isn't a superstar because his skill is so high end. I think it's because he's too chaotic for his own good, playing more cerebral would do him a lot of good. I love watching him play when it works, but when it doesn't it's brutal.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Well, that's the main reason Roy isn't getting Trouba money, right?

Keep in mind other coaching staffs do things like 'play players to their strengths' and address lineup weaknesses.

He's not perfect but he's a great and that projected contract would be MORE than fair.



Im not even sure who would end up with the most PIMs
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He’s far from perfect is my issue with him. Hes good at defending against players with the puck but when it comes to defending away from the puck he’s awful. I’ve paid a lot of attention with him and Gavrikov.. if Gavrikov is defending against the puck carrier then the puck manages to get near the net, then Roy is likely screwed. I’ve rarely seen Gavrikov however mess up in front of the net in terms of covering the man without the puck. Roy is a lot worse than Gavrikov at defense. I like Roy but people are in for a rude awakening when he doesn’t have a partner like Gavrikov to hide his blemishes. Roy does a few things wrong but they’re not small gaffes. It’s consistent and constant. The amount of times I’ve seen Roy cover no one in front of the net that leads directly to a goal is crazy.
 
YAYSAY said:
That's true enough, but I think he's been a factor at losing us games more than winning us games lately. Although I guess that could be true for everyone, however, him not reigning it in after Doughty's comments is not good.

Fiala is a unique player, I remember before Kings got him, they played the Wild and Jim said he's surprised Fiala isn't a superstar because his skill is so high end. I think it's because he's too chaotic for his own good, playing more cerebral would do him a lot of good. I love watching him play when it works, but when it doesn't it's brutal.
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I think this is such a weird sentiment though. Fiala is one of the few players on the Kings that’s constantly trying to create plays and sometimes he does it poorly but on what planet would you lump a player who makes mistakes from trying and a player who’s mistakes are based on not trying like PLD. And one thing, if a winger is going to be the cause of the goals against the Kings suffer then you have a much bigger problem than a risky winger.
 
Sol said:
He’s far from perfect is my issue with him. Hes good at defending against players with the puck but when it comes to defending away from the puck he’s awful. I’ve paid a lot of attention with him and Gavrikov.. if Gavrikov is defending against the puck carrier then the puck manages to get near the net, then Roy is likely screwed. I’ve rarely seen Gavrikov however mess up in front of the net in terms of covering the man without the puck. Roy is a lot worse than Gavrikov at defense. I like Roy but people are in for a rude awakening when he doesn’t have a partner like Gavrikov to hide his blemishes. Roy does a few things wrong but they’re not small gaffes. It’s consistent and constant. The amount of times I’ve seen Roy cover no one in front of the net that leads directly to a goal is crazy.
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I'd be okay with trading Roy during the season. I think both Spence and Clarke need to play. I also think Englund's holes are starting to show more and more. Moverare is probably a better fit, or at least split time between them.
 
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Even then, it’s so stupid to me that Jim comes down on Lafferriere for making turnovers in the OFFENSIVE zone. He can’t make turnovers that far away from the goal then where can he? How is Lafferriere responsible for the goal when naturally there’s going to be turnovers in hockey games regardless again, if Lafferriere is responsible for goals that happen so far away from the net with 2 dmen back then every single player is responsible for everything that happens.
 
Sol said:
He’s far from perfect is my issue with him. Hes good at defending against players with the puck but when it comes to defending away from the puck he’s awful. I’ve paid a lot of attention with him and Gavrikov.. if Gavrikov is defending against the puck carrier then the puck manages to get near the net, then Roy is likely screwed. I’ve rarely seen Gavrikov however mess up in front of the net in terms of covering the man without the puck. Roy is a lot worse than Gavrikov at defense. I like Roy but people are in for a rude awakening when he doesn’t have a partner like Gavrikov to hide his blemishes. Roy does a few things wrong but they’re not small gaffes. It’s consistent and constant. The amount of times I’ve seen Roy cover no one in front of the net that leads directly to a goal is crazy.
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People seem to forget that prior to Gavrikov coming he was right up there with Durzi for giveaways and at one point was definitely ahead of him. You can forgive Durzi to a point given he’s an offensive D man, but a supposed defensive specialist can’t be doing that. Gavrikov makes him look better than he is (his current contract Is fair) but he’s going to get well overpaid on his next deal. I’d happily move him to make space for Clarke as a regular fixture and to address another area of need. I’m not saying he’s bad but his is overrated.
 
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The same attribute that makes Fiala so dynamic offensively is what makes him a defensive liability.. impulsivity. His low threshold for frustration is obvious like in that penalty yesterday that got him benched. I think his flaws come out more when he tries too hard to make something happen when its not there - try to be the hero. What I noticed about him is you can put him on aline with average players and the line still produces - was true the season before he was traded and also last season. He's the opposite of PLD in that regard. Edit: so point being Id bet TM fails to see this in that he is up playing w Moore and Danault where he could make the 3rd line at least produce something with scrubs and maybe be +/- closer to even.
 
Sol said:
I legit have no idea how anyone survives this if they lose Nashville. This makes the Kings team in the 2000s that died after Christmas break not look as bad of a collapse. This is insane. Unbelievable.
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Those are the exact teams I was thinking of. Weren’t we in 1st place in January one of those years and then missed the playoffs? I think those teams could at least blame injuries.
 
Sol said:
Even then, it’s so stupid to me that Jim comes down on Lafferriere for making turnovers in the OFFENSIVE zone. He can’t make turnovers that far away from the goal then where can he? How is Lafferriere responsible for the goal when naturally there’s going to be turnovers in hockey games regardless again, if Lafferriere is responsible for goals that happen so far away from the net with 2 dmen back then every single player is responsible for everything that happens.
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You don't know why turnovers just inside the offensive zone are a bad thing? Really? Just..no clue?
 
Sol said:
He’s far from perfect is my issue with him. Hes good at defending against players with the puck but when it comes to defending away from the puck he’s awful. I’ve paid a lot of attention with him and Gavrikov.. if Gavrikov is defending against the puck carrier then the puck manages to get near the net, then Roy is likely screwed. I’ve rarely seen Gavrikov however mess up in front of the net in terms of covering the man without the puck. Roy is a lot worse than Gavrikov at defense. I like Roy but people are in for a rude awakening when he doesn’t have a partner like Gavrikov to hide his blemishes. Roy does a few things wrong but they’re not small gaffes. It’s consistent and constant. The amount of times I’ve seen Roy cover no one in front of the net that leads directly to a goal is crazy.
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Roy was terrific even before Gavrikov. They've only been bad since Gavrikov's return from injury and you're over-emphasizing this terrible stretch over his last three years in the NHL. And saying he's a 'lot worse than Gavrikov' isn't a big deal because don't forget Gavrikov has been functioning as a top pairing dman for years prior to coming here. As a pairing, they had been absolutely insane because Gavvy is basically a Muzzin-level top-pairing dman and Roy is the basically ideal 2nd pairing guy/#3.

I think like almost any other player that leaves the Kings you're going to find everyone going 'lolol stupid kings giving up a #2-#3 dman for peanuts.'

We can agree to disagree on this one if you like but just remember it when Roy is elsewhere next year. As it is you're still owing me for Byfield ;)
 
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Blake is 100% going to trade Arty and Roy and a 1st for Chychrun to try and get Todd a chance at redemption I bet it gets announced before ASB! In the end we have the softest D in the history of hockey, miss the playoffs, and Blake gets fired anyway!

that just shows the failure is from the tippy top down that they will let Blake ruin the short and medium future of this team because they could care less.
 
For all you put Clarke and Spence in and take out Englund listen to 32 Thoughts today.

Friedman straight up said at the 40ish minute mark - and other people in the league told him - THE KINGS ARE SOFT AND GET PUSHED AROUND WITH ENGLUND.
 
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Re trading Roy - which I am all for. We are so used to being overstocked on RD.. but no more Faber, Granz, Durzi.. and there is nothing in the A that I can think of.. who subs in if someone the right side goes down? So Im for moving Roy but bring back a good RD prospect please.
 
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