I'm not sure I buy that. Nonis is already guaranteed his money whether he gets fired or not, and sinking the franchise to prevent being fired(if that makes sense, which it doesn't) will only hurt his chances of getting another job.
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I'm not sure I buy that. Nonis is already guaranteed his money whether he gets fired or not, and sinking the franchise to prevent being fired(if that makes sense, which it doesn't) will only hurt his chances of getting another job.
While I don't see it as that black and white, I do agree that this possible addition of shanny doesn't mean everything will change or that it will solve our problems. TL seems like he means business but this to me just looks like bringing in a familiar and beloved icon to the organization that it essence will be nonis' babysitter for the time being until our cap situation and roster woes become much more manageable. My hope is for more but with the leafs, it's always been a wait and see dynamic before u blow your load prematurely.
Shanahan never wanted to play in TO so screw off. Just like the other dozen or so Ontario superstars who never wanted to play for and help their home team win. Call Doug, if you're going to resurrect old players and turn them into gms.
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If they bring in Shanny I really hope they don't force him to hire a certain GM. For example say TL thinks Ron Hextall should be GM, and basically tells Shanny that's who he has to bring in, I don't think it's a good environment.
Ideally whoever is made Prez is allowed to come in and make his own decisions and build his own group.
Ideally whoever is made Prez is allowed to come in and make his own decisions and build his own group.
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Actually, he did terrible as a coach for Kingston. He gave it up to be the GM and ever since then, the Frontenacs have done rather well. Todd Gill is the coach now.
He coached the Frontenacs for just 2(poor) seasons, and he's been the GM for the previous 4.
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from Hope_smoke twitter acct:
McKenzie on TSN Radio "what this does, is put a fire out. Buffalo wanted Regier's head on a platter and they brought in LaFontaine"
"renew your season tickets, Gillis is gone and here's great Canuck Trevor Linden"
McKenzie on TSN Radio "what this does, is put a fire out. Buffalo wanted Regier's head on a platter and they brought in LaFontaine"
"renew your season tickets, Gillis is gone and here's great Canuck Trevor Linden"
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Speaking of which, wouldn't Regier be a great replacement for Nonis if he is fired? I'd love to be able to get him in some capacity here and perhaps as a replacement to Nonis if he's forced out.
He did some pretty good things there despite money issues and what not. Probably the only manager out there that I would replace Nonis with without much hesitation.
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Yea he's done fairly well as a GM. I don't think he's the best evaluator of talent but seems to know how to grease the wheels to make a trade.
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Regier did fine when he was constrained with a small budget. But then when the vaults opened he drove the 18 wheeler over the cliff.
I also attribute his success to an excellent coach in Ruff.
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Gilmour is a guy you bring in as an assistant GM. Let him learn the NHL ropes, gain experience, etc. Yzerman didnt get a head GM position until he'd spent a few years assisting Holland in Detroit.
Nicholson, Gretzky, Shannahan, Hextall, etc. We've been tied to a few guys in the last little while. I think all of them could be contributors, but aside from MAYBE Hextall, none should get a head GM position right meow.
Nicholson, Gretzky, Shannahan, Hextall, etc. We've been tied to a few guys in the last little while. I think all of them could be contributors, but aside from MAYBE Hextall, none should get a head GM position right meow.
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Hextall's been assistant GM with two franchises now, I think he has a requisite amount of experience.
Would be interested in a management team of Shanahan (President of Hockey Ops) --> Hextall (GM) --> John Stevens (Coach).
What does John Stevens work on with the Kings? Defence and penalty kill. Which team has been one of the best defensively in the league over the last few seasons? The Kings.
If MLSE wants him that badly then it's a done deal. The league can't afford to match anything MLSE offers.
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Its not just money, its the role. A former star player like Shanny? I think we can all be pretty sure he's a very competitive guy with a lot of pride. The opportunity to play a key role in building an NHL team sounds a lot more appealing, especially to a guy like that, then working for the NHL head office.
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I'm with you on this , bringing in Shanny is just window dressing but if it keeps Gretz out of Tor i'm also all for this move .
If TL wants a new vision going forward he has to gut the front office and put his own people in place . just hiring a Pres is not enough , Nonis and everyone Burke brought in has to go .
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We should not underestimate Shanahan. A lot of smart people have seen that the guy have potential and trusted him in the past.
I think being the guy with the overview at a franchise looking to change things would suit him just perfectly. He have what, 20 years experience as a pro and 4-5 years as a hockey executive. And he is a winner who knows what it takes to win.
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Tie Leiweke
Brendan Shanahan (President of Hockey Operations)
Ron Hextall (General Manager)
___________ (Head Coach)
Yes please.
Brendan Shanahan (President of Hockey Operations)
Ron Hextall (General Manager)
___________ (Head Coach)
Yes please.
The only way I like this move is if Shanahan actually laces them up and shows some of these prima donna *****s what it is to play with Heart .
Otherwise the move is just a PR move intended to take our attention away from the fact that this team has no cap space to add players or the ability to get rid of these stiffs that we have locked up long term.
Otherwise the move is just a PR move intended to take our attention away from the fact that this team has no cap space to add players or the ability to get rid of these stiffs that we have locked up long term.
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This whole Brendan Shanahan story reeks of PR jockeying. Smoke and mirrors, and nothing more than that.
What benefit does bringing in Shanahan have on this team? I can't think of a single one, so feel free to let me know. If we are talking about an experienced guy who has a track record of winning, then I could totally understand the move, but this? He's a rookie guy who, despite being well connected in the league, has zero experience on this side of the hockey ledger.
The last thing this team needs right now, is a GM who is under pressure to make a big move. Why put Nonis in that environment. You can have a discussion about whether or not Nonis deserves to be here, but by not firing him you are accepting that he's got some time, and yet by bringing Shanahan in you are essentially pointing a gun in his direction.
If you can't trust the management group over this team enough that you have to bring in a baby****ter in Shanny to keep an eye on their every move, why not just fire them out right and replace them?
I just don't understand how the Leafs benefit from this move at all. It doesn't help them in anyway, and serves to put the GM under even more scrutiny and pressure, which is something that we can't afford to have heading into a very crucial summer for this organization.
What benefit does bringing in Shanahan have on this team? I can't think of a single one, so feel free to let me know. If we are talking about an experienced guy who has a track record of winning, then I could totally understand the move, but this? He's a rookie guy who, despite being well connected in the league, has zero experience on this side of the hockey ledger.
The last thing this team needs right now, is a GM who is under pressure to make a big move. Why put Nonis in that environment. You can have a discussion about whether or not Nonis deserves to be here, but by not firing him you are accepting that he's got some time, and yet by bringing Shanahan in you are essentially pointing a gun in his direction.
If you can't trust the management group over this team enough that you have to bring in a baby****ter in Shanny to keep an eye on their every move, why not just fire them out right and replace them?
I just don't understand how the Leafs benefit from this move at all. It doesn't help them in anyway, and serves to put the GM under even more scrutiny and pressure, which is something that we can't afford to have heading into a very crucial summer for this organization.
I have no problem Shanahan being President of Hockey Op's. I think the guy has presence and is driven, was around a very successful organization and experienced what it is to win.
100% on board with this.
Just the first part in many moves I believe will reshape the Leafs. We're not that bad and he will make us better.
Part 1: Hire Shanahan.
Part 2: Remove Dion as Captain, if he doesn't want that then look to move him.
100% on board with this.
Just the first part in many moves I believe will reshape the Leafs. We're not that bad and he will make us better.
Part 1: Hire Shanahan.
Part 2: Remove Dion as Captain, if he doesn't want that then look to move him.
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no one wants to play here. That much has been established since what.. the 80s? We don't sign big names here, because they won't sign here when they have the choice. Stay away from Toronto seems to be the player's golden rule in the NHL. Too much attention, too many a**hole media reporters, too many cameras, too much of everything. When we see superstar players in the league - has anyone noticed that we've all been subconciously programmed to understand that *none* of those players will ever play here? Thats no coincidence. We haven't had any sort of high profile player here since who knows... Sundin... and he didn't sign here. No one signs here. When Clarkson signed here, that was the red flag, as someone here has already stated. That signing was the first indication that he would be a bust, because if he was really a high profile player, then there was 0% chance he would be signing here. They just don't come here, they don't want to come here. Who can blame them. Too much media, and the franchise is managed by computers - no one's steering the ship.
The day this team ever sees a Stamkos, a Seguin, an Ovechkin, a Crosby or anyone with a big name is the day the Leafs have empty seats in the ACC - never. It will never ever happen. Wow what a vicious cycle that is. Fans are the biggest problem in this whole scenario. Keep showing up and the team gets worse. Seems that either the Leafs keep finishing in 9th and can't draft a top pick, or if they have the picks to aquire them, then they trade them away - it's as if the GM's are there to sabotage the team, decade after decade. Keeps happening as if it's some sort of hidden agenda or something - make sure the GM keeps trading away picks. Lol well that's pushing it but we get the point. No one's coming here unless they're traded. Won't be through the draft either, and for sure they won't be signing here. Sucks to be a Leaf fan thats for sure. Just gotta look elsewhere for quality sports entertainment, because we won't get it here with this hockey franchise.
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