Rumor: Kypreos says Matthews will be 13.5M (Haggling over term)

[Vinegar Strokes]

Maybe his plan is to play an even softer brand of hockey?

He is a "fancy boy" by nature after all.

(don't believe me? search Auston Matthews + fashion)

Was Dennis Rodman a, "soft fancy boy" too?

 

[Peat]

The list of players in the league the last decade or so worth that kind of relative AAV is a short one IMO. Where their talents are so great they can win you playoff series. Matthews is a superstar but the Leafs aren't advancing and it's clear they can't plug the holes on that roster from lack of cap space.

For that AAV to be justified Matthews has to be the best player in the world. Hey maybe he was injured last year and that took him down a peg this season. Could be true. For that AAV you'd hope he recovers and returns back to his Hart-level play.

Marner will surely look to Matthew's contract as a guidepost. That'll be terrible cap value for the Leafs going forward. Toews and Kane got their raises because they had already won their Cups and were chasing a 3rd. They both won a Smythe too. Regardless of the Hawks never winning even a playoff series again with those $10.5m AAV's, what have Matthews and Marner done to warrant an even fattier contract on top of the one they're already not winning Cups with?

Easy for me to say as a non-Leaf fan but...trade em. Trade em both. Keep Nylander and Tavares. Get great value back and build from that. 16 and 34 wanna get paaaaiiid.

How are you going to get great value back from a 11.6m C who wants a team unfriendly contract in the next year in a flat cap environment, when the C can dictate where he goes?

How are you going to keep Nylander if you trade his buds and he's left wondering whether the team will be rebuilding?

The likelihood is if Toronto decide "screw it, move on", they'll get bent over.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Was Dennis Rodman a, "soft fancy boy" too?

Rodman actually won championships.

 

[biturbo19]

Yeah, that sounds about right. It slots him in right at the top of the heap, in the neverending game of "Franchise Player contract leapfrog". The next franchise player to come up after Matthews will probably be $14.5M.

 

[Vinegar Strokes]

Rodman actually won championships.

I'm not saying Matthew's isn't soft, I don't really care if he is, to be honest. I'm saying a propensity toward fashion doesn't automatically make someone soft. It was a stupid connection.

 

[MoneyManny]

It isn’t the same though but nice false eqequivalency.

What's the difference? They are contracted employees hired to do a job and should be encouraged to get as much as they can, like everyone else.

We love when players have more value than their contract as fans, but it's only our greed doing the thinking when in reality these guys just got screwed over by their billionaire boss.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

What's the difference? They are contracted employees hired to do a job and should be encouraged to get as much as they can, like everyone else.

We love when players have more value than their contract as fans, but it's only our greed doing the thinking when in reality these guys just got screwed over by their billionaire boss.

Besides the lack of a hard salary cap, different pay scales, different work environments, and a whole slew of other characteristics, no difference

 

[kgboomer]

Take the max you can while you can and with a good NTC... there's no loyalty in the NHL. In the near future, maybe they want to trade you to Winnipeg.

 

[thehoffs]

Did anybody listen to him? He said Auston is getting 13.5M and the only thing they are haggling on is term. I believe Matthews wants a short term deal and the Leafs obviously want a longer one.

My prediction. He comes in at 13.5M x 5

Try $13.5m x1 AT BEST.

He and other high end players want to gamble on themselves by securing a higher AAV by taking 1-2 year deals where they can match salary cap increases appropriately.

Just no need to take a $13.5 year deal at all.

I mean come on it’s literally a qualifying offer on an RFA deal.

Treliving isn’t smart though. He thinks he’s the smartest guy in the league and then when Matthews takes off for Chicago and Toronto gets the Gaudreau 2.0 treatment leafs fans will want his head on a pitchfork.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

I find it interesting that on the day Bergeron officially retires there's a thread debating the term on Matthews $13.5M AAV and how he can maximize his career earnings. This isn't a criticism a Matthews who is trying to make as much money for himself as he can - just like 99% of the other players playing professional hockey/sports - but it shines a light on how special Patrice Bergeron was who left money on the bargaining table for the betterment of the team.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Besides the lack of a hard salary cap, different pay scales, different work environments, and a whole slew of other characteristics, no difference

f*** my coworkers I'm getting mine hope you get yours.

 

[bossram]

That is pretty crazy. I don't think the Oilers entire top 6 make as much as the core 4


Most hockey players are good with $$. If Matthews had a career ending injury, makes no difference to him. He can leverage that fact. He has multi generational wealth already

If didn't care about money, he wouldn't be so concerned with maximizing his the value of his next contract.

It's obviously a consideration.

We already proved you can't win for the last 5 years with the rest taking discounts only.

He can choose to win or get paid and it's proven it can't be both.

Good luck to Toronto without Matthews lmao. Yeah, that Cup will surely be on its way without a real 1C.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

From who though?

 

[bossram]

The list of players in the league the last decade or so worth that kind of relative AAV is a short one IMO. Where their talents are so great they can win you playoff series. Matthews is a superstar but the Leafs aren't advancing and it's clear they can't plug the holes on that roster from lack of cap space.

For that AAV to be justified Matthews has to be the best player in the world. Hey maybe he was injured last year and that took him down a peg this season. Could be true. For that AAV you'd hope he recovers and returns back to his Hart-level play.

Marner will surely look to Matthew's contract as a guidepost. That'll be terrible cap value for the Leafs going forward. Toews and Kane got their raises because they had already won their Cups and were chasing a 3rd. They both won a Smythe too. Regardless of the Hawks never winning even a playoff series again with those $10.5m AAV's, what have Matthews and Marner done to warrant an even fattier contract on top of the one they're already not winning Cups with?

Easy for me to say as a non-Leaf fan but...trade em. Trade em both. Keep Nylander and Tavares. Get great value back and build from that. 16 and 34 wanna get paaaaiiid.

This is beyond foolish. If you want the Leafs to be assured of not winning a Cup anytime soon, then yeah, run with 31 year old Tavares as the 1C.

All that matters is whether Matthews can be worth that AAV, and yes, his value on-ice can be. NHL superstars are way underpaid relative to their on-ice value. McDavid is at a ludicrous discount. When he signed his contract and his free agent status (RFA) are simply not comparable to the Matthews situation.

Yeah, it's obviously easier to build out a team when guys are paid less than their worth. You want Matthews to come as cheap as possible if you're the club. But that isn't really saying anything.

You also need elite talent to win. If they ditch Matthews, they will not have an elite 1C and their chances of winning are almost certainly ended. You pay to keep him, and get more efficient in the bottom-half of the roster. Again, if you have to "overpay" him by $1M, who cares? Cut Reaves or some other guy who won't contribute anything.

If your plan is to trade Matthews and Marner, then the Leafs might as well trade everybody of value and start a full-on rebuild. They'd be immediately heading in that direction.

 

[NylanderBros]

Nick Kypreos is not someone you listen to

 

[TBF1972]

So he can keep cashing in massively everytime hes up for a new deal... him and his agent are trend setters around the league for contracts. AM is maximizing the amount he gets paid PERFECTLY

it also guarantees that his teams will always struggle to find the cap space to put a strong team around.

i predict zero stanley cups for matthews in his prime.

 

[Fatass]

Did anybody listen to him? He said Auston is getting 13.5M and the only thing they are haggling on is term. I believe Matthews wants a short term deal and the Leafs obviously want a longer one.

My prediction. He comes in at 13.5M x 5

I seriously doubt there is any “haggling” going on. What leverage do the Leafs have so they can haggle? They either sign Matthews to the contract terms he wants or he leaves on July 1, 2024.

 

[TBF1972]

Has any star player ever bent their team over as much as him?

it's probably a gangbang involving nylander and marner

 

[Fatass]

This is beyond foolish. If you want the Leafs to be assured of not winning a Cup anytime soon, then yeah, run with 31 year old Tavares as the 1C.

All that matters is whether Matthews can be worth that AAV, and yes, his value on-ice can be. NHL superstars are way underpaid relative to their on-ice value. McDavid is at a ludicrous discount. When he signed his contract and his free agent status (RFA) are simply not comparable to the Matthews situation.

Yeah, it's obviously easier to build out a team when guys are paid less than their worth. You want Matthews to come as cheap as possible if you're the club. But that isn't really saying anything.

You also need elite talent to win. If they ditch Matthews, they will not have an elite 1C and their chances of winning are almost certainly ended. You pay to keep him, and get more efficient in the bottom-half of the roster. Again, if you have to "overpay" him by $1M, who cares? Cut Reaves or some other guy who won't contribute anything.

If your plan is to trade Matthews and Marner, then the Leafs might as well trade everybody of value and start a full-on rebuild. They'd be immediately heading in that direction.

Matthews has a full no move clause that kicked in July 1, 2023. Why would he agree to a trade? He will have a majority of the teams wanting him on July 1, 2024. He will get his contract terms either from the Leafs now or from another club next July.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

If Matthews AAV is going to be 13.5M he should give to the Leafs the max 8 years after the last team unfriendly deal of 11.34 for only 5 years that Dubas bent over to give him. If he takes anything less this sets a bad precedent to other players with most likely Nylander not taking less. This guy should take a page from the Patrice Bergeron. Team>Individual. Haggling over term with of an AAV of 13.5 per anything less than 8 years screams Me>Team.

 

[aessi]

Did you guys know that superstars are actually signing for less money than they were before? Ovechkin was at 19% caphit% when he signed, Kovalchuck signed 16,4% for Trashers which is on par with McDavid. Pronger 16%, Malkin 15%, Lecavalier 17,63% Thorton 17%, Niedermayer 17,31% and so on.

If Matthews signed now it would still be around that 16% for the current cap.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Did you guys know that superstars are actually signing for less money than they were before? Ovechkin was at 19% caphit% when he signed, Kovalchuck signed 16,4% for Trashers which is on par with McDavid. Pronger 16%, Malkin 15%, Lecavalier 17,63% Thorton 17%, Niedermayer 17,31% and so on.

If Matthews signed now it would still be around that 16% for the current cap.

Yep, and Matthews is a star Forward that actually defends and does it well, unlike pure scorers like Ovechkin and Kovalchuk.
In a logical world that would add value, but it's usually all about dem points with GMs.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Yep, and Matthews is a star Forward that actually defends and does it well, unlike pure scorers like Ovechkin and Kovalchuk.
In a logical world that would add value, but it's usually all about dem points with GMs.

post matthews player card for 22-23. didnt he just have the one good year defensively?

 

[AuroraBorealis]

post matthews player card for 22-23. didnt he just have the one good year defensively?

Don't have it. Jfresh only usually posts them on his Twitter following trades or signings. A new one will show up after he gets this deal, encompassing 22-23. Surely someone else here is subscribed somewhere where they provide proper charts, like Andy-Rono. Maybe they can post some analytics.

But for argument's sake let's say Matthews stabilized at even the 50 percentile for his career. That would still be vastly superior than the pure goal scorers who are utterly useless in their own ends. They should not make the same kind of money if their scoring is similar imo...

I can tell you that Matthews was a +31 last year though. He only got scored on 51 times at 5v5, while playing big minutes against top competition. 1228 minutes TOI.
So he conceded a goal once every 24 minutes TOI, which I'd say is pretty strong in his role. Scoring was the highest it's been in like 30 years too.
He had 13 more takeaways than giveaways, which is usually pretty telling about defensive conscience. He ranked 14th in Selke voting as well.

 

[Captain Crunch]

And Matthews will get it

TO gives him anything he wants

Sets him up nicely at 28ish to get an insane 7/8 year deal

Shanahan and MLSE: We can and we will overpay our two star players! Cant get us over the hump, but what the hell, great regular season players and we’re making a shitload of money! SMFH!!!