Confirmed with Link: Kyle Quincey signed to a one-year deal

[captainscott]

Severson - Greene
Lovejoy - Moore
Merrill - Quincey

(pairings may be off, but this is pretty much the makeup of the top 6 at this point)

I would not expect Santini to make the team as a bonafide top 6 guy at this point, and keeping him in Newark as the 7th defender is a waste.

As for the signing, solid depth guy. Nothing more or less. If he can take pressure off of Cory and not commit dumb penalties, he's a + for us.



There's not really a spot for Santini in the top 6 after this signing. Dont expect him playing lots of minutes in Newark.

i just don't agree ..... that moore, merill, and even severson to a lesser degree are automatics. i think santini is gonna be light years better than merrill and moore and from day 1 just my opinion and obviously its a bold one given santini has played 1 nhl game but i think I'm right

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Well, he's pretty terrible.

Yeah I'm sure you're a Kyle Quincey scholar.

EDIT: at least your willing to listen to red wing fans who have actually seen him play. So I take my smart ass comment back lol.

 

[captainscott]

I like using sites like this for my player insight:

2015-16 Red Wings Player Grades: Kyle Quincey
http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2016/6/4/11845616/2015-16-red-wings-player-grades-kyle-quincey

good stuff thanks for the link.... sounds perfect for what the devils needed this season

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Alright so who is the odd man out on the left side? I have a feeling everyone is gonna say Merrill but I think it should be Moore. I still think Merrill has untapped potential and all of his problems relate to confidence as well as injuries. While Moore's boneheaded plays have more to do with his non existent hockey sense. Let Merrill play through his mistakes I still believe in him.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

I don't think Merrill or Moore should be on this team at this point. If I have to go with one, honestly, from what I've seen, I might go with Moore. It's tough though. Neither are very good. Merrill is mediocre at defense and mediocre offensively. Moore is bad defensively, but actually shows occasional flashes offensively. I think Merrill has more potential to be a better defensive defenseman, but Moore has more potential to be a better offensive defenseman. I don't know. Pick your poison I guess. I'd like to see the Auvitu get an opportunity to show what he can do and reassess the situation.

 

[MadDevil]

Alright so who is the odd man out on the left side? I have a feeling everyone is gonna say Merrill but I think it should be Moore. I still think Merrill has untapped potential and all of his problems relate to confidence as well as injuries. While Moore's boneheaded plays have more to do with his non existent hockey sense. Let Merrill play through his mistakes I still believe in him.

This staff seems to really like Moore, so I think they'd go with him over Merrill. But with the Quincey signing it might be more likely Santini starts out in Albany and we roll with Greene, Severson, Lovejoy, Merrill, Moore, Quincey, with one of the lefties playing the right side.

 

[Devilsgrl35]

Good signing. No risk high reward. We really needed more experience and depth on d.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

It's gotta mean Auvitu is starting in Albany. Only LHD that can clear waivers, I believe?

Greene, Moore, Merrill, Quincey and Auvitu...One in Albany and one on the bench?

I think Auvitu starts the season, even if that means carrying 8 dman initially. He is going to get at least 20 games to see what he is made of.

We are seriously lacking in a PP dman. I know Palms will play the point on PP1 with Severson. But on PP2, we just don't have anyone on D with some PP ability. Maybe John Moore?

 

[VoidCreature]

I think Auvitu starts the season, even if that means carrying 8 dman initially. He is going to get at least 20 games to see what he is made of.

We are seriously lacking in a PP dman. I know Palms will play the point on PP1 with Severson. But on PP2, we just don't have anyone on D with some PP ability. Maybe John Moore?

Shero has made it very clear he sees Greene as our best offensive defenseman. He'll see a lot of PP time this year.

 

[Bleedred]

This is what I would like to see happen.

If our #7 guy is barely gonna play at all (unless injuries start happening), I'm okay with Helgeson as the #7. As long as that means he'll barely play.

But if we're gonna rotate guys out and they're gonna maybe play after a game or two if there's a lineup change, I'd rather the #7 guy be someone better.

Like maybe Auvitu or Mozik, assuming that Auvitu will actually be good.

 

[MadDevil]

I'd keep Auvitu as the #7 over Helgeson. He can at least skate and move the puck, and could be useful on the PP. Helgeson is just basically useless.

 

[Bleedred]

I'd keep Auvitu as the #7 over Helgeson. He can at least skate and move the puck, and could be useful on the PP. Helgeson is just basically useless.

I've been saying this for 6 or 7 months now, it seemed most people weren't too unhappy with him before I started pointing it out.

My friend has been saying it for almost 2 years, I wasn't too unhappy with him before he pointed it out to me. The fact that we had Salvador on his last leg and Mark Fraser also playing 34 games here in between Helgeson's stints, probably makes Helgeson look a little less suck than he really is. I remember thinking Helgeson should have been kept up over Fraser, and I still maintain that. As we didn't really know well enough that he sucked, and we had years of data and eyes to tell us Fraser sucked.

I don't really want Gormley playing nightly either. He has the higher ceiling than Helgeson, but will that ceiling be reached? Doesn't look like it.

This signing for Quincey was something that NEEDED to be done. It puts my mind a little more at ease, that we won't be seeing Helgeson or Gormley frequently. We were banking on Santini having to make the team, in order to avoid that happening. But I did say after the Larsson trade and the UFA day which saw no D-man signings, that I'd be shocked if we didn't offer a PTO or make a very late signing for a defenseman before camp. I started to think maybe I was gonna be wrong, when the start of camp came and went with no PTO's or signings, outside of Gormley, who was not what I had in mind.

 

[devilsblood]

I'd keep Auvitu as the #7 over Helgeson. He can at least skate and move the puck, and could be useful on the PP. Helgeson is just basically useless.

But as noted by Bleed above, if the 7th is just going to man the press box, then Helg would be perfect.

 

[Bologna 1]

This is what I would like to see happen.

If our #7 guy is barely gonna play at all (unless injuries start happening), I'm okay with Helgeson as the #7. As long as that means he'll barely play.

But if we're gonna rotate guys out and they're gonna maybe play after a game or two if there's a lineup change, I'd rather the #7 guy be someone better.

Like maybe Auvitu or Mozik, assuming that Auvitu will actually be good.

I agree with this regarding that #7 spot. If santini blows them away and forces his way into the top six, that complicates things, but then by all means fit him in. Otherwise, send him to Albany for big minutes down there (I think this is the more likely scenario).

Also, always a lot of Moore hate here, but I must say I am a Moore guy. I think his skating ability itself makes him valuable, as it is much easier for him to recover from any mistakes he might make. Merrill, I am willing to give him a fresh start after last season's struggles.

As bleed said, if #7 is gonna sit most times, go with helgeson. But if they figure #7 will actually be in a fair amount, would rather see auvitu, if he really is what he looked like against Montreal the other night (I know, small sample size and preseason). Mozik might not be a bad option either if auvitu doesn't end up cutting it.

 

[Bleedred]

But as noted by Bleed above, if the 7th is just going to man the press box, then Helg would be perfect.

Absolutely.

If we're barely going to see the #7 defenseman (and see him just as less when there's an injury and someone else gets called up and he continues to be the #7 defenseman) at all, then he'd be fine as the #7.

Like for instance, the way we used Peter Harrold in the lockout shortened season. Harrold played just one game in the first 24 games of that season, before playing damn near every game for the remainder of the season after that. But even I just forgot, that was the year we had 8 defensemen on the roster for the entire year and Larsson and Tallinder were rotated back and forth for the first half of that season.

But if we're gonna see the #7 guy used fairly frequently, like we did at times last year when Gelinas was the #7 guy early on, then I want someone much better.

 

[Bleedred]

I agree with this regarding that #7 spot. If santini blows them away and forces his way into the top six, that complicates things, but then by all means fit him in. Otherwise, send him to Albany for big minutes down there (I think this is the more likely scenario).

Also, always a lot of Moore hate here, but I must say I am a Moore guy. I think his skating ability itself makes him valuable, as it is much easier for him to recover from any mistakes he might make. Merrill, I am willing to give him a fresh start after last season's struggles.

As bleed said, if #7 is gonna sit most times, go with helgeson. But if they figure #7 will actually be in a fair amount, would rather see auvitu, if he really is what he looked like against Montreal the other night (I know, small sample size and preseason). Mozik might not be a bad option either if auvitu doesn't end up cutting it.

Mozik already deserves more time, because I really feel that he did not get enough of a look last year. Maybe we find out he sucks too? We don't know enough about him yet though, and Helgeson had his extended audition last year. Warsofsky had an audition last year, which was enough they obviously didn't wanna bring him back for even league minimum on a one year/two way deal. Time for Mozik to get a longer look. Shero is the one (as far as I know) who signed the guy. He didn't inherit Mozik, like he did Helgeson. Maybe Mozik was really a Lou find, like we found out that Kalinin was.

 

[MadDevil]

I'd rather have somebody in that extra D spot that can step in and fit within the style/system we want to play. Helgeson is too much of a grenade handler.

 

[Bleedred]

I'd rather have somebody in that extra D spot that can step in and fit within the style/system we want to play. Helgeson is too much of a grenade handler.

I'd like to give Mozik or Auvitu a shot.

Maybe they aren't good either, but we have enough data to form a conclusion that Helgeson is not NHL caliber. I'm thinking Gormley should also be at the back of the line with Helgeson, but at least he has a better ceiling and is probably the lesser of the two evils.

With the signing of Quincey, at least there's a much more slim chance of guys like Helgeson and Gormley playing an every night role.

 

[EnglishDevil]

Quincey and Lovejoy are both decent middle pairing guys, I could see them forming a fairly good shutdown pairing that can chew up some tough minutes without being a liability. Both guys are well seasoned without being washed up, which is something we were lacking outside of Greene.

Both are good PKers too, so if they can shoulder some responsibility on that front it will free up the Greene - Severson pairing to play a more offensive role.

Greene - Severson
Quincey - Lovejoy
X - Santini
X

X's = Two of Merrill, Moore & Auvitu

It's nothing spectacular but there's a nice mixture of experienced veterans and promising youngsters. I think that group should be really solid defensively, especially since their efforts are augmented by one of the best goaltenders in the entire league.

No huge offensive threats back there (unless Severson takes a big step forward) but no grenade handlers either, all of them can move the puck competently and support our (on paper at least) much improved offense.

 

[Sykie]

Didn't read the whole thread, but I like the signing. We needed some veteran help with only Greene and Lovejoy over 25.

I'm fine with Greene, Lovejoy, Quincey, Severson, Merrill and Moore as a starting line-up, with Santini playing big minutes in the AHL. Makes sense.

 

[SCOUTS HONOR]

All around great deal. Minimal risk at that contract value, and will add some much needed depth on the blue line and even alittle extra offense. Ray keeps on delivering.

 

[devilsblood]

Didn't read the whole thread, but I like the signing. We needed some veteran help with only Greene and Lovejoy over 25.

I'm fine with Greene, Lovejoy, Quincey, Severson, Merrill and Moore as a starting line-up, with Santini playing big minutes in the AHL. Makes sense.

Moore turns 26 in a month. Merrill turns 25 in Feb. Auvitu is 27.

I think it was more ability then vet presence.

 

[ForeverJerseyGirl]

I wouldn't consider Auvitu a veteran when he hasn't played a single NHL game yet.

 

[devilsblood]

I wouldn't consider Auvitu a veteran when he hasn't played a single NHL game yet.

He's still more mature then 21 year old. He's been doing the professional thing for a long time. And this is his chance to be an NHL'r, I am sure he will handle himself accordingly.

With him it's a matter of ability, not so much about readiness or lack of experience.

 

[Emperoreddy]

He's still more mature then 21 year old. He's been doing the professional thing for a long time. And this is his chance to be an NHL'r, I am sure he will handle himself accordingly.

With him it's a matter of ability, not so much about readiness or lack of experience.

Ya I'm not to worried about Auvitu adjusting to professional life, but I do think he will need time to adjust to smaller ice, which also takes some time.