Kyle Dubas will not be back as GM

[Ciao]

Dubas would do fine in Pittsburgh, if that's where he goes.

I would wish him well there.

 

[ToDavid]

Because he took over a stacked 105 point playoff team where the core was on ELCs and just entering their primes…few GMs have this luxury. Context matters.

Dubas playoff series record after taking over a 105 point playoff team:
1 Win - 5 Losses

That also matters.

How is the core being on ELCs helpful to him? Lou oversaw the easiest part of the era. A bunch of kids playing basically for free with zero expectations. Dubas inherited the first actual challenge, getting them signed and keeping the team competitive.

Don’t love the contracts, but even if he got them all signed to complete steals you’re looking at adding like $20m-$25m to your roster. Apart from one year where Babcock lost the room and had to be replaced, Dubas maintained a 100+ point team and for the last three years had 110+ point teams.

 

[Oleksiak]

How is the core being on ELCs helpful to him? Lou oversaw the easiest part of the era. A bunch of kids playing basically for free with zero expectations. Dubas inherited the first actual challenge, getting them signed and keeping the team competitive.

Don’t love the contracts, but even if he got them all signed to complete steals you’re looking at adding like $20m-$25m to your roster. Apart from one year where Babcock lost the room and had to be replaced, Dubas maintained a 100+ point team and for the last three years had 110+ point teams.

Dubas made the mistake of firing Babcock instead of trading some of the lazy floaters who were whining about the coach. That set the standard for the culture and removed any hope of Marner, Nylander, or Rielly becoming team players. He then proceeded to sign every last one of his core players to absolute terrible contracts thanks to Tavares setting the internal structure.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Even if hes not holding out for Ottawa, Dubas would be stupid to go to the Penguins - who wants to be the captain of a sinking ship?

Doobler wants to.

He is desperate for work after negotiating himself out of a job.

Pittsburgh vs unemployment means the difference between a 15M - 60M dollar contract vs nothing for Kyle.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

How is the core being on ELCs helpful to him?

Please tell me you’re kidding?

Don’t love the contracts, but even if he got them all signed to complete steals you’re looking at adding like $20m-$25m to your roster. Apart from one year where Babcock lost the room and had to be replaced, Dubas maintained a 100+ point team and for the last three years had 110+ point teams.

Kyle failed on the contract front (as has been well documented), he failed on the trading front, he failed on the goalie front (Mrazek, Sparks, Murray lmao), he failed on the coaching front (will Keefe even get another job in the league?), and most importantly, he failed to get results. His tenure, when people look back without all the emotions involved, will largely be considered a failure.

Playoff series record for the Leafs under Dubas:

1 Series Win - 5 Series Losses

 

[Golden_Jet]

How is the core being on ELCs helpful to him?

Is this a joke or sarcasm, if not, then lol.

 

[socko]

Kyle Dubas is a case study in style over substance.

 

[Ciao]

I'm amused by all the Dubas-haters still spitting and hissing at the curbside long after he's gone.

He's not the best and he's not the worst at what he does. He is very accomplished for his age, and now he's on his way -- whether that's out of work entirely or on to another job.

In any case, he's not here anymore and I can't help but wonder if some of the invective thrown his way arises from envy from his age-peers, very few of whom would have yet accomplished any comparable personal success in their own lives.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'm amused by all the Dubas-haters still spitting and hissing at the curbside long after he's gone.

He's not the best and he's not the worst at what he does. He is very accomplished for his age, and now he's on his way -- whether that's out of work entirely or on to another job.

In any case, he's not here anymore and I can't help but wonder if some of the invective thrown his way arises from envy from his age-peers, very few of whom would have yet accomplished any comparable personal success in their own lives.

I’m amused by the Dubas lovers, lamenting he’s gone.

 

[AvroArrow]

I’m amused by the Dubas lovers, lamenting he’s gone.

Agreed, I don't know if I should leaf or feel embarrassed for em.

 

[Channelcat]

Honestly I think it'd be hilarious if a couple weeks after he says "It's the Maple Leafs or nowhere" he takes a job with another franchise.

He'll be back as an agent.

 

[Fatass]

I’m amused by the Dubas lovers, lamenting he’s gone.

I hope Dubas ends up in Ottawa. Make for lots of media drama.

 

[Oleksiak]

He'll be back as an agent.

What player is going to hire someone who is clearly incapable of effective contract negotiation?

 

[AuraSphere]

I’m amused by the Dubas lovers, lamenting he’s gone.

Agreed, I don't know if I should leaf or feel embarrassed for em.

There's no "Love" for Dubas - it's a matter of who you would replace him with. I see fanboys of Doug Armstrong, Treliving, heck even some talk of Marc Bergevin or Peter Chiarelli.

If you look at the fish in the pond, its sad but there's not many competent GMs in this league. We might risk getting even someone like Jim Benning as our GM.

You can hate on Kyle Dubas or celebrate all you want, I'll admit he was out of his mind with some of his mistakes like Marleau, Mrazek, Foligno, etc. But at the time of the Tavares signing - everyone was stocked, and the going rate in free agency was higher than the 11M he was offered (including from teams like Boston, NYI, SJS).

My point is - I don't think any of the names mentioned to replace Dubas are actually better than him or as smart. If it's someone like Eric Tulsky - sure I'm all on board.


The other reason people hate the firing is the reason Dubas got fired - it seems like more of a power/emotional move rather than actually based off his skills considering he was offered an extension

 

[AvroArrow]

There's no "Love" for Dubas - it's a matter of who you would replace him with. I see fanboys of Doug Armstrong, Treliving, heck even some talk of Marc Bergevin or Peter Chiarelli.

If you look at the fish in the pond, its sad but there's not many competent GMs in this league. We might risk getting even someone like Jim Benning as our GM.

You can hate on Kyle Dubas or celebrate all you want, I'll admit he was out of his mind with some of his mistakes like Marleau, Mrazek, Foligno, etc. But at the time of the Tavares signing - everyone was stocked, and the going rate in free agency was higher than the 11M he was offered (including from teams like Boston, NYI, SJS).

My point is - I don't think any of the names mentioned to replace Dubas are actually better than him or as smart. If it's someone like Eric Tulsky - sure I'm all on board.


The other reason people hate the firing is the reason Dubas got fired - it seems like more of a power/emotional move rather than actually based off his skills considering he was offered an extension

People felt attached to Dubas, there was several posters on our board that loved Dubas more than the team. Like he was some god send, I don't understand it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

People felt attached to Dubas, there was several posters on our board that loved Dubas more than the team. Like he was some god send, I don't understand it.

How’s Dekes coping.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I'm amused by all the Dubas-haters still spitting and hissing at the curbside long after he's gone.

He's not the best and he's not the worst at what he does. He is very accomplished for his age, and now he's on his way -- whether that's out of work entirely or on to another job.

In any case, he's not here anymore and I can't help but wonder if some of the invective thrown his way arises from envy from his age-peers, very few of whom would have yet accomplished any comparable personal success in their own lives.

He's accomplished because of his family connections.

 

[Leaf Fans]

So basically bullshit then.

No, not at all.

 

[ToDavid]

Is this a joke or sarcasm, if not, then lol.

It’s almost like there was an entire post that you didn’t quote that provided context for what I was talking about.

 

[Ciao]

He's accomplished because of his family connections.

That sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

His grandfather, Walter, coached the Greyhounds from 1960-67, long before Kyle was born, in the Northern Ontario Jr. A Hockey League that doesn't exist anymore. The league dissolved and in 1970 a new Jr B league with the same name was created, with the Hounds going to another Jr. A league that doesn't exist anymore either.

I understand that Kyle's father was at one time an intern with the Greyhounds, but it stretches the imagination to think that his aged grandfather's long-ago coaching career and his his father's internship held the door open for him to the general manager's office in the Soo.

I think getting that job probably had a lot more to do with his own scouting work for the Greyhounds, and his degree in sports management from Brock.

Do you have anything to add?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

How is the core being on ELCs helpful to him? Lou oversaw the easiest part of the era. A bunch of kids playing basically for free with zero expectations. Dubas inherited the first actual challenge, getting them signed and keeping the team competitive.

Don’t love the contracts, but even if he got them all signed to complete steals you’re looking at adding like $20m-$25m to your roster. Apart from one year where Babcock lost the room and had to be replaced, Dubas maintained a 100+ point team and for the last three years had 110+ point teams.

Mostly because the young core that Lou gave him aged to their prime/peak years.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It’s almost like there was an entire post that you didn’t quote that provided context for what I was talking about.

Because it didn’t help your case after the first line.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

That sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

His grandfather, Walter, coached the Greyhounds from 1960-67, long before Kyle was born, in the Northern Ontario Jr. A Hockey League that doesn't exist anymore. The league dissolved and in 1970 a new Jr B league with the same name was created, with the Hounds going to another Jr. A league that doesn't exist anymore either.

I understand that Kyle's father was at one time an intern with the Greyhounds, but it stretches the imagination to think that his aged grandfather's long-ago coaching career and his his father's internship held the door open for him to the general manager's office in the Soo.

I think getting that job probably had a lot more to do with his own scouting work for the Greyhounds, and his degree in sports management from Brock.

Do you have anything to add?

You think it stretches the imagination that his grandfather's connections to the old boys club at the greyhounds helped him with the exposure necessary to get to those positions and make friends with all the right people?

If you don't think a family name matters then why didn't Dubas take his Brock University Degree to scout for the SKA St.Petersburg's junior team?

 

[ToDavid]

Mostly because the young core that Lou gave him aged to their prime/peak years.

The young core Lou gave him? He drafted one of those guys, and it was picking Matthews with the 1OA pick.

 

[Ciao]

You think it stretches the imagination that his grandfather's connections to the old boys club at the greyhounds helped him with the exposure necessary to get to those positions and make friends with all the right people?

Yes, it does.

How many other coaches, GMs etc were there after 1967, and how many of their kids or grandkids followed a similar path in the Soo, the entire OHL or elsewhere in junior hockey?

The family connection doesn't get you the job, or everyone would be doing that.

No matter who your grandfather is, you have to earn the job on your own.