Kyle Dubas vs JFJ

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Who is worse?


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it's amazing how golden the core players are when you aren't talking about their unprecedented dramatic overpayments. when that topic comes up, suddenly they are a lot less special just so you can squeeze every ounce of hyperbole and portray those contracts as the worst deals ever signed
It’s both. The core are very good players. They’re also DRAMATICALLY overpaid.

We’re now a mediocre team because our great core are outrageously overpaid.

Personally, I’d prefer if a non-rookie gm paid our very talented core players market value so our team could be great as opposed to mediocre. But you do you.
 
From an asset management point of view, Dubas is the whiz kid who inherited a family fortune and squandered it with spendthrift ways all the while telling the world how smart he is.

Ferguson Jr was an incompetent GM who basically did as badly as could.

Race to the bottom.
 
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Dubas inherited a team where his best players were kids and the defense was trash. Teams like that don't win the cup easily unless the kids are Crosby and Malkin. And inherit doesn't tell the full story because he's been grinding for the team since the Hyman trade. He didn't just pop out of no where. His mark was on the team before getting promoted.

He does deserve some criticism since we have first round woes and there were some things that could have went differently, but not the kind of criticism where a poll exists and JFJ is actually getting votes.

This is honestly a new low for this board. Just adds to how shameful and embarrassing this season has been. Maybe you guys need another decade of Stajans and Antropovs to see how good you have it.

Concluding his drafting sucks when we literally have two defenders who have won top D at the juniors since Dubas took over: Sandin and Niemela. Robertson will have the second best shot on the team when he finally makes it. Amirov has the potential to be better than anything JFJ drafted excluding Rask (which shouldn't even count because he traded him stupidly). That's all since when, 2o18? With this kind of drafting he will easily smash JFJ. None of you would swap out Sandin, Niemela, Robertson for guys like Frattin, Stalberg, Tlusty Holzer etc. We used to cry for draft steals, now when we finally get them every single year since Dubas took over...he's being compared to JFJ.

"Dubas sucks because I'm salty and because I say so " is basically all I see.
 
Dubas inherited a team where his best players were kids and the defense was trash. Teams like that don't win the cup easily unless the kids are Crosby and Malkin. And inherit doesn't tell the full story because he's been grinding for the team since the Hyman trade. He didn't just pop out of no where. His mark was on the team before getting promoted.

He does deserve some criticism since we have first round woes and there were some things that could have went differently, but not the kind of criticism where a poll exists and JFJ is actually getting votes.

This is honestly a new low for this board. Just adds to how shameful and embarrassing this season has been. Maybe you guys need another decade of Stajans and Antropovs to see how good you have it.

Concluding his drafting sucks when we literally have two defenders who have won top D at the juniors since Dubas took over: Sandin and Niemela. Robertson will have the second best shot on the team when he finally makes it. Amirov has the potential to be better than anything JFJ drafted excluding Rask (which shouldn't even count because he traded him stupidly). That's all since when, 2o18? With this kind of drafting he will easily smash JFJ. None of you would swap out Sandin, Niemela, Robertson for guys like Frattin, Stalberg, Tlusty Holzer etc. We used to cry for draft steals, now when we finally get them every single year since Dubas took over...he's being compared to JFJ.

"Dubas sucks because I'm salty and because I say so " is basically all I see.
That is exactly what it is.
 
Wasn’t Ferguson also tasked with trimming $30M from the payroll in ‘05 when the cap was introduced? I believe they had to go from $80M to $50M (my memory could be way off here).

I don’t think JFJ was better. But that’s a tough task.
 
Dubas inherited a team where his best players were kids and the defense was trash. Teams like that don't win the cup easily unless the kids are Crosby and Malkin. And inherit doesn't tell the full story because he's been grinding for the team since the Hyman trade. He didn't just pop out of no where. His mark was on the team before getting promoted.

He does deserve some criticism since we have first round woes and there were some things that could have went differently, but not the kind of criticism where a poll exists and JFJ is actually getting votes.

This is honestly a new low for this board. Just adds to how shameful and embarrassing this season has been. Maybe you guys need another decade of Stajans and Antropovs to see how good you have it.

Concluding his drafting sucks when we literally have two defenders who have won top D at the juniors since Dubas took over: Sandin and Niemela. Robertson will have the second best shot on the team when he finally makes it. Amirov has the potential to be better than anything JFJ drafted excluding Rask (which shouldn't even count because he traded him stupidly). That's all since when, 2o18? With this kind of drafting he will easily smash JFJ. None of you would swap out Sandin, Niemela, Robertson for guys like Frattin, Stalberg, Tlusty Holzer etc. We used to cry for draft steals, now when we finally get them every single year since Dubas took over...he's being compared to JFJ.

"Dubas sucks because I'm salty and because I say so " is basically all I see.

Dubas should be an assistant GM in charge of the Draft (aka Mark Hunter)...I like his drafting over Hunter's but its kind of like Jim Benning...you can be good at one part of the job (drafting) but horrible at others.
 
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Except for when you add context in that Dubas inherited a 2 X playoff team already coming off a franchise all time 100 year best season that finished 6th overall.

So what you likely mean is at least Dubas is keeping the Leafs in a playoff spot since taking over and we haven't fallen out of them yet. :wg:

I must say, with all due respect that is a pretty low bar you're using to measure the difference.

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Dubas > JFJ but he still isn't good enough yet for the team to move forward and live up to its potential

He's sacrificed offensive depth for defensive depth

Still waiting for a single playoff series win in year 4 of dubas is pathetic. He's on his last legs and either delivers or finds himself a fraud and quickly fired
 
Dubas inherited a team where his best players were kids and the defense was trash. Teams like that don't win the cup easily unless the kids are Crosby and Malkin. And inherit doesn't tell the full story because he's been grinding for the team since the Hyman trade. He didn't just pop out of no where. His mark was on the team before getting promoted.

He does deserve some criticism since we have first round woes and there were some things that could have went differently, but not the kind of criticism where a poll exists and JFJ is actually getting votes.

This is honestly a new low for this board. Just adds to how shameful and embarrassing this season has been. Maybe you guys need another decade of Stajans and Antropovs to see how good you have it.

Concluding his drafting sucks when we literally have two defenders who have won top D at the juniors since Dubas took over: Sandin and Niemela. Robertson will have the second best shot on the team when he finally makes it. Amirov has the potential to be better than anything JFJ drafted excluding Rask (which shouldn't even count because he traded him stupidly). That's all since when, 2o18? With this kind of drafting he will easily smash JFJ. None of you would swap out Sandin, Niemela, Robertson for guys like Frattin, Stalberg, Tlusty Holzer etc. We used to cry for draft steals, now when we finally get them every single year since Dubas took over...he's being compared to JFJ.

"Dubas sucks because I'm salty and because I say so " is basically all I see.
Dubas sucks because this team has folded in 3 consecutive playoffs since he has taken over but I guess results don't matter to you, Dubites or Senior management.
 
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Dubas inherited a team where his best players were kids and the defense was trash...

And yet his first move as GM was to spend $11 million on a center and rewrite the entire cap structure of his team instead of continuing to build methodically through the draft and address weaknesses as they come with judicious evaluation of talent and continue to support his kids.

I’m sure a lot of us really enjoyed the Tavares signing at the time too. But shouldn’t a great GM operating with foresight and insider business knowledge have steered this ship a little better than what turned out to be EA Sports franchise mode?
 
Dubas sucks because this team has folded in 3 consecutive playoffs since he has taken over but I guess results don't matter to you, Dubites or Senior management.
No such thing as a Dubite, but the results have sucked. We haven't been out of round 1 since 2004 with JFJ inherited team replete with hall of famers.
 
Nice to say Dubas' drafting is crap after three years when few if any teams have full time NHLers out of those drafts unless they were top 10 picks... and our guys are among the closest. Even JFJ's guys took that long except for Tlusty, who busted hard, and Kulemin, who was a D+2. Stalberg was ready after 3 years as a D+2 and the rest took more than 5 years to finally make the NHL.

People are so transparent.

Dubas’s 2017 draft was pretty bad. We had Josh Norris, Robert Thomas, Chytil, Yamamoto, Jokiharu, Jason Robertson all on the board and we took a falling Liljegren
 
Dubas’s 2017 draft was pretty bad. We had Josh Norris, Robert Thomas, Chytil, Yamamoto, Jokiharu, Jason Robertson all on the board and we took a falling Liljegren

Wasn't that still a Hunter draft? At the time the Leafs taking Liljegren seemed like a little bit of a godsend considering he was ranked as high as 2nd overall a few years out from that draft. Unfortunately, it feels like a lot of things that were breaking in Toronto's favour early in the rebuild hasn't panned out as well as we would have wanted. Still would be nice to see Liljegren finally get a real chance.
 
Wasn't that still a Hunter draft? At the time the Leafs taking Liljegren seemed like a little bit of a godsend considering he was ranked as high as 2nd overall a few years out from that draft. Unfortunately, it feels like a lot of things that were breaking in Toronto's favour early in the rebuild hasn't panned out as well as we would have wanted. Still would be nice to see Liljegren finally get a real chance.

You’re right. Dubas first draft was 2018
 
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JFJ didn't hire his best bud to as a coach and worse kept the same coach after losing 2 back to back years at home ice
His bff lost to a zamboni driver and doesn't have the balls to fire him

JFJ at least hired Maurice who was a Stanly Cup runner up and lost to a very strong Detroit Red Wings. What did Keefe do to earn a job with the Leafs other than being Dubas BFF? what Calder, every year some coach in AHL wins calder and doesn't make it to NHL

JFJ wanted to rebuilld. He couldn't because of Peddy. JFJ had to shed salary. He had the Muskoka 5 to worry about and couldn't do anything because of them. These are all inherited, he didn't create his own demise like Dubas did

Kyle inherited a team that had young established players. Gave them horrible contracts
Hired his best bud. Horrible coach so far
Hired assistants that can't fix PP for last 2 years
Got rid of a competent goalie(Mac) for Sparks. Took 2 years to fix that problem
Foligno anyone? for a 1st rounder?

Dude's not even done yet. So don't worry Dubas fans, you have no idea what's even coming yet.

Kyle has had the benefit of being with this team for 6 years now. JFJ had come in cold from St.Louis and had to start from scratch

JFJ also had to manage Pat Quinn, for those who forgot, Pat Quinn was a power freak. JFJ was the GM but everyoen knew who was the man around here

Everyoen talks about Kyle signing Brodie and Muzzin

Brodie is good but Pavel Kubina was a heck of a D that JFJ signed
He got Michael Peca for a year contract for 2.5

Jason Blake was a lot of money, but he was coming off a 40 goal scoring season
Even for back then, 4 million for a 40 goal scorer was pretty good.

Jason unfortunately had cancer and couldn't replay his Islanders seasons, But 4 million was manageable

Auston Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander errases Kyle's faults. JFJ would have loved to have these types of players

Kyle Dubas would have cried to bed if he had to deal with Pat Quinn and Richard Peddy on a day to day basis
 

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